IRC log of i18nits on 2006-11-22

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meeting: i18n ITS Working Group
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chair: Felix
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scribe: fsasaki
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0034.html
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zakim, dial felix-home
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ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
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+Felix
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+Sebastian_Rahtz
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+Christian_Lieske
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topic: action items
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none
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topic: CR phase: current state (report from Felix)
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felix: now new info, just have to work on implementations
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topic: namespace binding mechanism discussion update
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felix: talked to Michael today
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.. next week he and me will work on the issue
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.. I hope that Michael had a more efficient implementation
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Sebastian: what do we do if it involves traversing every node in the document?
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.. do we still have to accept it?
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Felix: normally we have to accept it
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.. I will discuss with Michael
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Christian: small remark:
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.. we are looking at test implementations, right?
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Sebastian: depends on definition for an implementation
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.. it would matter if all implementations were slow
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.. if just XSLT 1.0 would be slow , it's not so bad
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.. it is an issue if the burden to look at all nodes exists for all implementations
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.. it might be faster if you only look at the children of the its:rules element
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Felix: you cannot look just at the inheritance information?
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Sebastian: in XSLT 1.0 , you need the declaration information
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Felix: in XPath 2.0, you have a function which gives you the prefix and namespace without looking at declarations
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.. I only see problems for external rules
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Sebastian: implementations are all based on processing in memory
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.. if XSLT-based things are used with 20GIG documents you might have a problem
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.. can you say where the rules element occur?
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Felix: no
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.. it would be good to have a big test file
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action: Sebastian to create a big test file for the ITS test suite (>1 MB) to test the implementation efficiency of namespace binding(s)
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Sebastian: bible file is 7 MB
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Felix: what is your timeline for implementation?
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Sebastian: I finish mine next week
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Felix: if mine is finished and tests are done, we'll be able to leave CR
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topic: ITS presentations
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Christian: summarized feedback on presentations
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.. summarized more per mail, will wait until I get o.k. to publish it
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.. was very feedback
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Felix: people want to implement and use ITS?
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Christian: both
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.. CAT tool developers already have the functionality, but priporitary
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.. people asked who supports ITS already
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.. I made a third presentation, to the DITA translation sub TC
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.. that was very well received as well
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Felix: did they made a commitment to ITS?
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Christian: this might have changed
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.. I can give an update if there is more info
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.. one more info: at the ASLIP conference
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.. I met people working on ISO / DIN standards, they are also aware of ITS
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.. people working on lexical markup framework (TC 37 /4)
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topic: Other business
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-Sebastian_Rahtz
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Next week there will be the W3C AC meeting, so we will probably cancel
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the call.
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-Christian_Lieske
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-Felix
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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Christian_Lieske
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present: Christian, Felix, Sebastian
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regrets: Andrzej, Diane, Yves
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/22-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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rrsagent, make minutes public
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', fsasaki. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/22-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/22-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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