18:01:27 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 18:01:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-tagmem-irc 18:01:38 Vincent has joined #tagmem 18:02:48 +Vincent 18:02:59 Chair: Vincent 18:03:06 Scribe: Ed Rice 18:04:09 Zakim, whi is here? 18:04:09 sorry, Vincent, I do not understand your question 18:04:21 Zakim, who is here 18:04:21 Vincent, you need to end that query with '?' 18:04:49 Zakim, who is here? 18:04:49 On the phone I see Ed_Rice, Norm, Vincent 18:04:50 On IRC I see Vincent, RRSAgent, Ed, Zakim, Norm, DanC 18:05:18 dorchard has joined #tagmem 18:05:48 +Dave_Orchard 18:05:58 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Nov/0105.html 18:07:09 +TimBL 18:07:11 +DanC 18:07:26 timbl has joined #tagmem 18:07:33 +DanC.a 18:07:43 Zakim, drop DanC 18:07:43 DanC is being disconnected 18:07:44 -DanC 18:07:45 Zakim, drop DanC.a 18:07:45 DanC.a is being disconnected 18:07:46 -DanC.a 18:07:52 +DanC 18:09:09 Zakim, list participants 18:09:09 As of this point the attendees have been Ed_Rice, Norm, Vincent, Dave_Orchard, TimBL, DanC, DanC.a 18:09:19 DanC has changed the topic to: TAG 21 Nov http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Nov/0105.html 18:09:26 Topic: Administrative 18:09:58 Propose next teleconference: 28 November - conflict with AC meeting? 18:10:36 Regrets Tim, Norm, Vincent and likely Henry 18:11:07 Norm: Propose cancel next week meeting 18:11:10 Ed +1 18:11:16 +1 18:11:22 Resolved, next weeks meeting will be cancelled. 18:11:55 Propose next teleconference: 5 Dec 18:12:07 Regrets - Norm 18:12:30 Propose Noah as scribe. 18:13:09 Approve minutes of last telecnference? 18:13:14 dorchard, I think you're the source of that noise? Can you mute? 18:13:18 Minutes 14 nov. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/11/14-tagmem-minutes 18:13:42 Zakim, mute dorchard 18:13:42 sorry, timbl, I do not see a party named 'dorchard' 18:13:51 Zakim, mute Dave 18:13:51 Dave_Orchard should now be muted 18:14:07 zakim, dave_orchard is dorchard 18:14:07 +dorchard; got it 18:14:08 Resolved: approve minutes of last teleconferance. 18:14:14 zakim, unmute me 18:14:14 dorchard should no longer be muted 18:14:24 Agenda review 18:14:29 q+ to request discussion of tagSoupIntegration 18:14:32 zakim, who's making noise 18:14:32 I don't understand 'who's making noise', dorchard 18:14:43 zakim, who's making noise? 18:14:54 dorchard, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Vincent (69%) 18:15:07 ack danc 18:15:07 DanC, you wanted to request discussion of tagSoupIntegration 18:15:22 agenda accepted with Dan's addition for tagSoupIntegration 18:15:32 Topic: PasswordsIntheclear 18:16:48 q+ to suggest clarifying the scope to "never send passwords in the clear across the Internet" 18:17:52 q+ 18:18:13 ack danc 18:18:13 DanC, you wanted to suggest clarifying the scope to "never send passwords in the clear across the Internet" 18:19:02 Ed talks about the proposed exceptions to where it is ok to send passwords in the clear. 18:19:20 1) I just want to keep a page off the search engine, its not really 'secure'. 18:20:30 ack timbl 18:20:38 2) my network is secured, so I dont need to secure the password. 18:21:01 Dan: I think 'should not' would be ok, instead of a must not. 18:21:20 Timbl: if your running on a secured network, that doesnt mean there are no virus's on it. 18:21:47 Timbl: the one machine could be connected to other networks which are then not as secured. 18:22:01 Timbl: or it could be sniffed by someone else on the vpn. 18:23:26 (this discussion of VPNs and firewalls starts to sound like IETF IPv6 discussions) 18:23:29 Dave: One person in my group went to a conferance who said firewalls really dont work and its pushing more security on the local machine because only one client inside your firewall can compromise your entire network. 18:25:54 http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/ Web Security Context Working Group 18:25:55 Dan: W3C has a new security context team. We may want to have them review this. 18:26:58 s/team/WG/ 18:27:35 Ed, should we change it to 'should' then or send it to the working group? 18:27:43 Dan: I'm in favor of either of these. 18:28:19 Norm: If we say 'should' how do we point to anyone and say your in violation of the finding or not? 18:28:55 Norm: So, I have a marginal preferance for 'must' if we can get the community to buy in to it. 18:29:23 Dan: All these things are about managing risk. 18:30:48 dorchard: I think of must as a 'if you dont follow a "must" your outside the architecture', and we're saying sometimes its ok to violate a 'must' so I think a 'should' is probably ok on this one. 18:31:14 DO: I think that should is the right word to use. 18:37:52 hmm... tim's idea has some appeal; put the MUST onus on the user agent to make the user aware of the risk. hmm.... 18:38:23 that's already in there: "A client or browser MUST NOT transmit passwords in clear text." 18:39:21 q+ 18:39:42 q+ to express reservation about advocating a change that we don't have experience with. 18:40:03 ack danc 18:40:03 DanC, you wanted to express reservation about advocating a change that we don't have experience with. 18:42:18 Timbl: I suggest adding 'user agents MUST warn when a password is to be sent in the clear' 18:42:46 Timbl: and the browser SHOULD NOT send passwords in the clear 18:43:01 timbl: and the server SHOULD NOT request passwords be sent in clear text. 18:43:20 (hmm... perhaps s/MUST warn/MUST not send without informed consent/ ? I think there's some precedent in WAI. but yes, that's just wordsmithing) 18:43:39 +Raman 18:43:48 s/browser/user 18:45:16 Dan: I'd like to see the use cases identified in a paragraph or two as well. 18:45:42 raman has joined #tagmem 18:46:27 replay: 18:46:28 Timbl: I suggest adding 'user agents MUST warn when a password is to be sent in the clear' 18:46:35 Timbl: and the browser SHOULD NOT send passwords in the clear 18:46:40 Timbl: and the user SHOULD NOT send passwords in the clear 18:46:45 timbl: and the server SHOULD NOT request passwords be sent in clear text. 18:47:09 (disregard 2nd line of replay) 18:48:53 Action: Ed to produce a new version with these changes. 18:48:57 indeed, raman , it's "user SHOULD NOT send passwords in the clear" 18:49:42 TOPIC: Face to face meeting in 3 weeks. 18:49:57 VQ: lets talk about what we'd like to achieve? 18:51:23 Schedule is Monday - Wednesday afternoon. 18:51:38 Dave: when to use Get - issue 7 (wstransfer) 18:52:19 Norm: I'm hoping to have namespace document 8 and semantic web dialog, web architecture. I'm hopeful I'll get these done by the face to face. 18:52:44 Timbl: Yes, particularly the semantic web.. we need to get the TAG to focus more on this. 18:53:35 q+ to note my TAG priorities are tagSoupIntegration and extensibility/versioning, though I haven't thought about group priorities much 18:53:41 Norm: I will also need to leave early on wednesday. 18:53:58 ack danc 18:53:58 DanC, you wanted to note my TAG priorities are tagSoupIntegration and extensibility/versioning, though I haven't thought about group priorities much 18:54:06 Dan: My personal interests are tagSoupIntegration and versioning/extensibility. 18:56:06 DO: We never really closed on what we need to do since the last face to face. This paper has become more of a thesis and we discussed possibly breaking it up. 18:56:32 VQ: well, maybe we should discuss to try and resume progress on this. 18:57:01 TV: If I was coming I would like to see more on the TAGSoup issue. 18:58:09 TV: I will definatly not be able to attend the f2f due to prior commitments. 18:59:34 Ed: I'd like to try and close on passwords in the clear at the f2f if we could. 18:59:35 Raman, you could not call in even, I gather? 19:01:25 TV: yes, I can call in during the evening hours. I'd like to participate in the TagSoup. 19:01:43 VQ: I'll send out a draft agenda so we can try and settle at least one week in advance. 19:01:52 VQ: other topics for F2F? 19:02:03 Topic: TagSoupIntegration - Dan's addition. 19:02:14 Tag discusses.. 19:03:51 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/11/07-minutes.html#item08 19:15:51 VQ: anything else to cover today? 19:16:00 -dorchard 19:16:11 -Norm 19:16:15 VQ: Meeting adjourned, next meeting in two weeks. 19:16:22 Zakim, list participants 19:16:22 As of this point the attendees have been Ed_Rice, Norm, Vincent, TimBL, DanC, DanC.a, dorchard, Raman 19:16:31 RRSAgent, make logs public 19:16:38 -DanC 19:16:43 RRSAgent, generate minutes 19:16:43 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/21-tagmem-minutes.html Ed 19:16:49 -Ed_Rice 19:16:51 -Raman 19:16:54 -Vincent 19:16:57 Zakim, bye 19:16:57 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Ed_Rice, Norm, Vincent, TimBL, DanC, DanC.a, dorchard, Raman 19:16:57 Zakim has left #tagmem 19:17:48 You can extend the Sitemaps protocol using your own namespace. 19:18:24 The location of a Sitemap file determines the set of URLs that can be included in that Sitemap. A Sitemap file located at http://example.com/catalog/sitemap.xml can include any URLs starting with http://example.com/catalog/ but can not include URLs starting with http://example.com/images/. 19:18:25 If you have the permission to change http://example.org/path/sitemap.xml, it is assumed that you also have permission to provide information for URLs with the prefix http://example.org/path/ 19:18:40 :) 19:19:03 I just started reading the sitemaps this a.m., I'll read more :) 19:31:44 Norm has joined #tagmem 20:38:29 Norm has joined #tagmem 21:45:15 Norm has joined #tagmem