IRC log of mmsem on 2006-11-16

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zakim, list

16:51:14 [Zakim]

I see VB_VBWG()10:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM active

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also scheduled at this time are SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, SW_PAW(CWM)11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM

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raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC

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Scribe: Jacco

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Topic: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC

16:52:16 [raphael]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0021.html

16:52:24 [raphael]

zakim, this is INC_MMSEM

16:52:24 [Zakim]

raphael, I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be INC_MMSEM".

16:52:42 [raphael]

zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM

16:52:42 [Zakim]

ok, raphael; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

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INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started

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+ +43.662.228.aaaa

16:56:07 [TobiasBuerger]

Zakim, aaaa is me

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+TobiasBuerger; got it

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+ +44.207.179.aabb

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+Jacco

16:57:08 [raphael]

zakim, +44.207.179 is raphael

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+raphael; got it

16:57:58 [raphael]

Topic: 1. ADMIN

16:58:34 [raphael]

Regrets: Ioannis, Stamatia, ThierryDeclerck, Pasquale, Roberto, Giovanni, Christian, ChrisHalashek, Melli

16:58:45 [raphael]

zakim, who is here ?

16:58:45 [Zakim]

On the phone I see TobiasBuerger, raphael, Jacco

16:58:46 [Zakim]

On IRC I see TobiasBuerger, ThomasFranz, Jacco, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

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\me Zakim, mute me

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+Thomas_Franz

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zakim, mute me

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Thomas_Franz should now be muted

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+ +31.20.665.aacc

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zakim, +31.20.665 is GeorgeAnadiotis

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+GeorgeAnadiotis; got it

17:01:11 [raphael]

zakim, GeorgeAnadiotis is anadiotis

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+Paola_Hobson

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+anadiotis; got it

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+ +39.050.aadd

17:02:06 [mhausenb]

hi there. today I just can join you via IRC

17:02:21 [isti]

hi all from Ovidio, Suzanne and Massimo

17:02:45 [Zakim]

+JeffP

17:03:08 [JeffP]

zakim, who is here?

17:03:08 [Zakim]

On the phone I see TobiasBuerger, raphael, Jacco, Thomas_Franz (muted), anadiotis, Paola_Hobson, +39.050.aadd, JeffP

17:03:10 [Zakim]

On IRC I see mhausenb, JeffP, isti, anadiotis, TobiasBuerger, ThomasFranz, Jacco, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

17:03:11 [mhausenb]

Is it peradventure possible for anybody to transcribe the audio

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+[IVML]

17:03:25 [mhausenb]

or at least summarise, please?

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zakim, IVML is Vassilis

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+Vassilis; got it

17:04:33 [Jacco]

present: Raphael, Jacco, Tobias, Vassilis, Paola, George

17:04:37 [raphael]

zakim, who is here ?

17:04:41 [Zakim]

On the phone I see TobiasBuerger, raphael, Jacco, Thomas_Franz (muted), anadiotis, Paola_Hobson, +39.050.aadd, JeffP, Vassilis

17:04:46 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Paola, vassilis, mhausenb, JeffP, isti, anadiotis, TobiasBuerger, ThomasFranz, Jacco, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael

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present+ Jeff

17:05:13 [Jacco]

rrsagent, draft minutes

17:05:13 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco

17:05:19 [raphael]

zakim, +39.050 is isti

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+isti; got it

17:05:35 [Jacco]

rrsagent, make logs public

17:05:39 [isti]

Zakim, +39.050.aadd is isti

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sorry, isti, I do not recognize a party named '+39.050.aadd'

17:05:57 [Jacco]

Minutes previous meeting are accepted

17:06:22 [Jacco]

Minutes informal meeting @ISWC accepted as well

17:06:46 [Jacco]

Next meeting will be next week Nov, 23

17:07:13 [raphael]

Topic: 2. LINKS Pages

17:07:18 [ThomasFranz]

my regrets for the next telco on Nov, 23

17:07:29 [Jacco]

Topic: 2. LINKS Pages

17:07:31 [raphael]

Michael, report on vocabularies page ?

17:07:51 [mhausenb]

some progress indeed

17:08:02 [raphael]

something to report ?

17:08:07 [mhausenb]

still looking for some volunteers for some sections

17:08:20 [Jacco]

Meeting: MMSEM 16 November Telecon

17:08:32 [mhausenb]

promise to incoporate your comments till next week!

17:08:37 [TobiasBuerger]

q+

17:08:39 [raphael]

my comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0056.html

17:09:09 [Jacco]

Tobias volunteers to fill some section here

17:09:12 [raphael]

Tobias volunteers to maintain MPEG21 and MXF sections

17:09:19 [mhausenb]

THANKS!

17:09:21 [Jacco]

s/section/sections

17:09:43 [raphael]

Topic: 3. XG UPDATES

17:10:03 [Jacco]

Image annotations deliverable: Raphael is editing, but didn't check in yet

17:10:29 [Jacco]

XML exampes still need to be converted to N3 and the graphs need to be redone

17:10:47 [mhausenb]

volunteer to convert ...

17:10:54 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

17:11:26 [Jacco]

ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page: PENDING

17:11:38 [Jacco]

ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page: PENDING

17:11:40 [raphael]

zakim, +[IPcaller] is suzanne

17:11:40 [Zakim]

sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'

17:11:42 [TobiasBuerger]

\me Zakim, mute me

17:11:50 [Jacco]

ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page: PENDING

17:11:54 [raphael]

zakim, +IPcaller is suzanne

17:11:54 [Zakim]

sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'

17:12:05 [Jacco]

ACTION: Melli and Paul to do their wiki page: PENDING

17:12:07 [raphael]

zakim, +[IPcaller] is suzanne

17:12:07 [Zakim]

sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'

17:12:12 [raphael]

zakim, [IPcaller] is suzanne

17:12:12 [Zakim]

+suzanne; got it

17:12:19 [raphael]

zakim, mute suzanne

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suzanne should now be muted

17:12:38 [Jacco]

ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document": PENDING

17:13:25 [Jacco]

Raphael: will have a final version on the f2f meeting, so people need to read it before

17:14:03 [raphael]

Interoperability issues: the key word of this XG !!!

17:15:01 [raphael]

All use cases should be written with this goal in mind

17:15:24 [raphael]

Later on, Vassilis will talk about how they will converge and be put together

17:15:44 [Jacco]

ACTION: Jeff to review all use cases: PENDING

17:16:08 [Jacco]

ACTION: Vassilis to review all use cases

17:16:30 [Jacco]

Topic: 3.1 Music Use case: (Giovanni, Oscar)

17:17:01 [Jacco]

Oscar will join this group but needs to teach on Thursdays

17:17:19 [Jacco]

Oscar will attend the f2f in Athens

17:17:52 [Jacco]

ACTION: Jacco to review the music use case: PENDING

17:18:29 [raphael]

Comments of Oscar: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0020.html

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17:21:00 [mhausenb]

what is going on? topic?

17:21:03 [TobiasBuerger]

I think it is also important to distinguish this use case from "classical" information retrieval

17:21:20 [raphael]

Timeline: before the F2F, having a first draft of the Music Use case

17:22:04 [raphael]

ACTION: Oscar, Jacco and Giovanni to make a first draft of the use case by December 1st

17:22:15 [Jacco]

ACTION: Oscar and Jacco to draft more focussed use case before December 1st

17:22:29 [Jacco]

Topic: 3.2: News Use case: (Raphael, Chris)

17:23:32 [Jacco]

We updated the wiki, but made little progress on the solutions part

17:24:05 [Jacco]

Raphael: we are looking at financial information in this use case

17:24:20 [mhausenb]

how about IPTC?

17:25:03 [Jacco]

Raphael: we are still in the process of getting good example data

17:25:20 [mhausenb]

please define _good_

17:25:45 [Jacco]

Raphael: We will try to make the deadline of 1st november

17:25:58 [raphael]

s/november/december

17:26:38 [Jacco]

Action: Raphael, Chris, Thierry: finish news UC draft before Dec 1st.

17:27:28 [Jacco]

Vassilis: maybe we should focus on small single interoperability problems, not cover all of them

17:27:43 [raphael]

Michael, we are in the process of having more data for illustrating the problems (interoperability problems)

17:27:49 [Jacco]

Topic: 3.3 Bio-medical Image Use case: (Melliyal)

17:27:57 [Jacco]

Melli sent regrets

17:28:08 [Jacco]

Topic: 3.4: PEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case

17:28:16 [Jacco]

s/PEG/MPEG

17:28:30 [raphael]

Comments of Suzanne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0017.html

17:28:42 [raphael]

Comments of Rapahel: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0062.html

17:28:59 [Jacco]

Vassilis: Also little progress on solution, will focus on one of three types of solution

17:29:28 [mhausenb]

agree. still we should describe the problems in depth ...

17:29:36 [Jacco]

ACTION: Vassilis et al to provide 1st draft MPEG-7 UC before Dec 1.

17:30:39 [Jacco]

Topic: 3.5 Photo Use case: (Susanne)

17:31:20 [Jacco]

Susanne: in general this UC fits well with the interoperability focus of the XG

17:32:08 [Jacco]

Most remarks were clarifications, ask how to do multiple domain ontologies using Hunter's ABC framework

17:34:22 [Jacco]

Topic: 3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use Case

17:34:47 [raphael]

zakim, unmute susanne

17:34:47 [Zakim]

sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'susanne'

17:34:49 [susanneBoll]

yes

17:34:51 [raphael]

zakim, unmute suzanne

17:34:51 [Zakim]

suzanne should no longer be muted

17:34:52 [susanneBoll]

SusanneBoll

17:35:19 [Jacco]

zakim, suzanne is susanne

17:35:19 [Zakim]

+susanne; got it

17:36:40 [Jacco]

What about a general vocabulary for annotating photo's on the web

17:37:58 [Jacco]

Susanne: We are working with a large photo provider, they need both high and low level features

17:38:12 [Jacco]

And there is no common framework to do this on the web

17:38:59 [Jacco]

Raphael: Suggest how to solve this in say, the XMP way versus, say the PhotoRDF stuff.

17:39:07 [Jacco]

Raphael: Would this make sense?

17:40:05 [Jacco]

XMP=embedded, PhotoRDF=external

17:41:23 [raphael]

Centralized versus Distributed for the host of the photos and of the metadata

17:41:40 [raphael]

How to retrieve from a photo its metadata ?

17:41:53 [Jacco]

ACTION: Susanne extent draft Photo UC before Dec 1

17:42:18 [Jacco]

Topic: 3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use Case

17:42:33 [Jacco]

Ionnis is not present

17:43:40 [Jacco]

Ioannis has troubles making the telephone confs

17:44:01 [Jacco]

ACTION: Vassilis to suggest skype to Ioannis

17:44:05 [JeffP]

W3C Zakim: +1.617.761.6200, +33.4.89.06.34.99 or +44.117.370.6152

17:44:48 [Jacco]

ACTION: Vassilis to contact Ioannis about future of this UC

17:45:41 [Jacco]

Topic: 3.7 Algorithm representation Use case

17:46:04 [Jacco]

Massimo: not much progress last weeks

17:47:24 [Jacco]

ACTION: Massimo & Suzanne to have draft ready for review before December 1

17:48:18 [raphael]

zakim, mute susanne

17:48:18 [Zakim]

susanne should now be muted

17:49:32 [Jacco]

ACTION: Tobias to send comments on Algorithm representation Use case

17:49:41 [Jacco]

Topic: 3.8 Tagging Use case

17:49:52 [raphael]

Draft tagging ontology

17:50:11 [raphael]

Problems: not possible to use DC and SKOS in OWL DL ... will be OWL Full

17:50:17 [Jacco]

George: facing some skoss related problems, mailed to relevant w3c lists

17:51:11 [Jacco]

Raphael: SWD WG will developp and OWL version of SKOS

17:51:26 [raphael]

OWL DL version !

17:51:44 [susanneBoll]

I would like to add the following link

17:51:52 [susanneBoll]

Inducing Ontology from Flickr Tags

17:51:53 [Jacco]

George: developing prototype to show interoperability across tagging sites

17:51:57 [susanneBoll]

http://www.rawsugar.com/www2006/22.pdf

17:52:12 [raphael]

thx susanne

17:52:44 [raphael]

we knew this paper ?

17:52:54 [raphael]

s/?/.

17:53:13 [Jacco]

s/knew/know about

17:54:19 [raphael]

Jeff and Vassilis will review it Michael

17:54:27 [mhausenb]

thanks!

17:54:54 [Jacco]

ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications

17:55:01 [raphael]

Topic: 4. Interoperability Deliverable

17:55:20 [Jacco]

Topic: 4 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications

17:56:14 [Jacco]

Semantic Web Activity lead Ivan Herman invited Raphael and Jeff to report back to the SW Coordination Group in January

17:56:45 [Jacco]

Vassilis: I've put a first draft of the interoperability deliverable on the wiki

17:57:15 [Jacco]

Raphael: The first point to discuss is the status of the Use Cases

17:57:25 [mhausenb]

looks sensible to me, vassilis

17:57:52 [ThomasFranz]

zakim, unmute me

17:57:52 [Zakim]

Thomas_Franz should no longer be muted

17:57:54 [JeffP]

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Semantic_Interoperability

17:57:57 [Jacco]

(short version of) use cases should be integrated in the deliverable

17:58:19 [mhausenb]

opt for linking to tools/voc/resources NOT including them

17:58:53 [Jacco]

Tobias: We could also do it the other way around: first discuss the issues and than match those with relevant use cases

17:59:59 [TobiasBuerger]

Jacco: yes we could do that

17:59:59 [Jacco]

Vassilis: I think the issue should be the use cases issues

18:00:02 [mhausenb]

and I support Tobias proposal

18:01:08 [raphael]

Status of the Tools / Vocabularies / Resources

18:01:12 [Jacco]

Sorry all, I have to leave - see you next time

18:01:25 [raphael]

Raphael: good to publicize, good result of the XG

18:01:26 [Zakim]

-Jacco

18:01:39 [raphael]

... to include or not in the Deliverable ...

18:01:46 [raphael]

... most likely not

18:02:25 [Zakim]

-Paola_Hobson

18:02:26 [raphael]

... so section 7 might disapear

18:02:46 [mhausenb]

a pointer would do IMHO

18:04:01 [raphael]

Use Cases: core meat or not of the document ?

18:04:41 [mhausenb]

definitly, but summarized

18:05:01 [raphael]

Introduction of the document decomposed into 4 sub-sections

18:05:36 [raphael]

6.2 is the summary of all interoperability problems encountered during the vaious use cases

18:06:05 [raphael]

Raphael: are we able to do that from now ?

18:06:16 [raphael]

Vassilis: yes, it will help the authors of the use cases

18:06:32 [mhausenb]

IMO later (after stable UC)

18:09:41 [raphael]

ACTION: Vassilis to clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and ask to use case authors precised contributions, on the mailling list

18:12:47 [Zakim]

-susanne

18:12:59 [mhausenb]

any news?

18:13:28 [Zakim]

-Thomas_Franz

18:13:30 [Zakim]

-anadiotis

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-JeffP

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-TobiasBuerger

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-isti

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-raphael

18:13:41 [raphael]

Topic: 5. F2F meeting

18:13:50 [raphael]

please, all, fill the questionnaire !!!

18:14:13 [isti]

bye !

18:14:46 [raphael]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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18:14:55 [mhausenb]

till next week, bye bye!

18:14:55 [raphael]

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-Vassilis

18:16:29 [Zakim]

INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended

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Attendees were +43.662.228.aaaa, TobiasBuerger, +44.207.179.aabb, Jacco, raphael, Thomas_Franz, +31.20.665.aacc, Paola_Hobson, anadiotis, +39.050.aadd, JeffP, Vassilis, isti,

18:16:33 [Zakim]

... susanne

18:16:40 [raphael]

Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC

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Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC

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Chair: Jeff, Raphael

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Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC

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Chairq: Jeff, Raphael

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Chairs: Jeff, Raphael

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