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16:51:12 <raphael> zakim, list
16:51:14 <Zakim> I see VB_VBWG()10:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM active
16:51:16 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, SW_PAW(CWM)11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM
16:51:46 <raphael> raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
16:51:57 <Jacco> Scribe: Jacco
16:52:01 <raphael> Topic: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
16:52:16 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0021.html
16:52:24 <raphael> zakim, this is INC_MMSEM
16:52:24 <Zakim> raphael, I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be INC_MMSEM".
16:52:42 <raphael> zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM
16:52:42 <Zakim> ok, raphael; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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16:56:07 <TobiasBuerger> Zakim, aaaa is me
16:56:08 <Zakim> +TobiasBuerger; got it
16:56:46 <Zakim> + +44.207.179.aabb
16:56:58 <Zakim> +Jacco
16:57:08 <raphael> zakim, +44.207.179 is raphael
16:57:08 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
16:57:58 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
16:58:34 <raphael> Regrets: Ioannis, Stamatia, ThierryDeclerck, Pasquale, Roberto, Giovanni, Christian, ChrisHalashek, Melli
16:58:45 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
16:58:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see TobiasBuerger, raphael, Jacco
16:58:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see TobiasBuerger, ThomasFranz, Jacco, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
16:59:07 <TobiasBuerger> \me Zakim, mute me
16:59:13 <Zakim> +Thomas_Franz
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16:59:31 <ThomasFranz> zakim, mute me
16:59:31 <Zakim> Thomas_Franz should now be muted
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17:01:00 <raphael> zakim, +31.20.665 is GeorgeAnadiotis
17:01:00 <Zakim> +GeorgeAnadiotis; got it
17:01:11 <raphael> zakim, GeorgeAnadiotis is anadiotis
17:01:12 <Zakim> +Paola_Hobson
17:01:14 <Zakim> +anadiotis; got it
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17:01:52 <Zakim> + +39.050.aadd
17:02:06 <mhausenb> hi there. today I just can join you via IRC
17:02:21 <isti> hi all from Ovidio, Suzanne and Massimo
17:02:45 <Zakim> +JeffP
17:03:08 <JeffP> zakim, who is here?
17:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see TobiasBuerger, raphael, Jacco, Thomas_Franz (muted), anadiotis, Paola_Hobson, +39.050.aadd, JeffP
17:03:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see mhausenb, JeffP, isti, anadiotis, TobiasBuerger, ThomasFranz, Jacco, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:03:11 <mhausenb> Is it peradventure  possible for anybody to transcribe the audio
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17:03:20 <Zakim> +[IVML]
17:03:25 <mhausenb> or at least summarise, please?
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17:04:10 <raphael> zakim, IVML is Vassilis
17:04:10 <Zakim> +Vassilis; got it
17:04:33 <Jacco> present: Raphael, Jacco, Tobias, Vassilis, Paola, George
17:04:37 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
17:04:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see TobiasBuerger, raphael, Jacco, Thomas_Franz (muted), anadiotis, Paola_Hobson, +39.050.aadd, JeffP, Vassilis
17:04:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Paola, vassilis, mhausenb, JeffP, isti, anadiotis, TobiasBuerger, ThomasFranz, Jacco, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
17:05:01 <Jacco> present+ Jeff
17:05:13 <Jacco> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:05:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco
17:05:19 <raphael> zakim, +39.050 is isti
17:05:26 <Zakim> +isti; got it
17:05:35 <Jacco> rrsagent, make logs public
17:05:39 <isti> Zakim, +39.050.aadd is isti
17:05:39 <Zakim> sorry, isti, I do not recognize a party named '+39.050.aadd'
17:05:57 <Jacco> Minutes previous meeting are accepted
17:06:22 <Jacco> Minutes informal meeting @ISWC accepted as well
17:06:46 <Jacco> Next meeting will be next week Nov, 23
17:07:13 <raphael> Topic: 2. LINKS Pages 
17:07:18 <ThomasFranz> my regrets for the next telco on Nov, 23
17:07:29 <Jacco> Topic: 2. LINKS Pages
17:07:31 <raphael> Michael, report on vocabularies page ?
17:07:51 <mhausenb> some progress indeed
17:08:02 <raphael> something to report ?
17:08:07 <mhausenb> still looking for some volunteers for some sections
17:08:20 <Jacco> Meeting: MMSEM 16 November Telecon
17:08:32 <mhausenb> promise to incoporate your comments till next week!
17:08:37 <TobiasBuerger> q+
17:08:39 <raphael> my comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0056.html
17:09:09 <Jacco> Tobias volunteers to fill some section here
17:09:12 <raphael> Tobias volunteers to maintain MPEG21 and MXF sections
17:09:19 <mhausenb> THANKS!
17:09:21 <Jacco> s/section/sections
17:09:43 <raphael> Topic: 3. XG UPDATES
17:10:03 <Jacco> Image annotations deliverable: Raphael is editing, but didn't check in yet
17:10:29 <Jacco> XML exampes still need to be converted to N3 and the graphs need to be redone
17:10:47 <mhausenb> volunteer to convert ...
17:10:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:11:26 <Jacco> ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page: PENDING
17:11:38 <Jacco> ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page: PENDING
17:11:40 <raphael> zakim, +[IPcaller] is suzanne
17:11:40 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
17:11:42 <TobiasBuerger> \me Zakim, mute me
17:11:50 <Jacco> ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page: PENDING
17:11:54 <raphael> zakim, +IPcaller is suzanne
17:11:54 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
17:12:05 <Jacco> ACTION: Melli and Paul to do their wiki page: PENDING
17:12:07 <raphael> zakim, +[IPcaller] is suzanne
17:12:07 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
17:12:12 <raphael> zakim, [IPcaller] is suzanne
17:12:12 <Zakim> +suzanne; got it
17:12:19 <raphael> zakim, mute suzanne
17:12:19 <Zakim> suzanne should now be muted
17:12:38 <Jacco> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document": PENDING
17:13:25 <Jacco> Raphael: will have a final version on the f2f meeting, so people need to read it before
17:14:03 <raphael> Interoperability issues: the key word of this XG !!!
17:15:01 <raphael> All use cases should be written with this goal in mind
17:15:24 <raphael> Later on, Vassilis will talk about how they will converge and be put together
17:15:44 <Jacco> ACTION: Jeff to review all use cases: PENDING
17:16:08 <Jacco> ACTION: Vassilis to review all use cases
17:16:30 <Jacco> Topic: 3.1 Music Use case: (Giovanni, Oscar)
17:17:01 <Jacco> Oscar will join this group but needs to teach on Thursdays
17:17:19 <Jacco> Oscar will attend the f2f in Athens
17:17:52 <Jacco> ACTION: Jacco to review the music use case: PENDING
17:18:29 <raphael> Comments of Oscar: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0020.html
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17:21:00 <mhausenb> what is going on? topic?
17:21:03 <TobiasBuerger> I think it is also important to distinguish this use case from "classical" information retrieval
17:21:20 <raphael> Timeline: before the F2F, having a first draft of the Music Use case
17:22:04 <raphael> ACTION: Oscar, Jacco and Giovanni to make a first draft of the use case by December 1st
17:22:15 <Jacco> ACTION: Oscar and Jacco to draft more focussed use case before December 1st
17:22:29 <Jacco> Topic: 3.2: News Use case: (Raphael, Chris)
17:23:32 <Jacco> We updated the wiki, but made little progress on the solutions part
17:24:05 <Jacco> Raphael: we are looking at financial information in this use case
17:24:20 <mhausenb> how about IPTC?
17:25:03 <Jacco> Raphael: we are still in the process of getting good example data
17:25:20 <mhausenb> please define _good_
17:25:45 <Jacco> Raphael: We will try to make the deadline of 1st november
17:25:58 <raphael> s/november/december
17:26:38 <Jacco> Action: Raphael, Chris, Thierry: finish news UC draft before Dec 1st.
17:27:28 <Jacco> Vassilis: maybe we should focus on small single interoperability problems, not cover all of them
17:27:43 <raphael> Michael, we are in the process of having more data for illustrating the problems (interoperability problems)
17:27:49 <Jacco> Topic: 3.3 Bio-medical Image Use case: (Melliyal)
17:27:57 <Jacco> Melli sent regrets
17:28:08 <Jacco> Topic: 3.4: PEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case
17:28:16 <Jacco> s/PEG/MPEG
17:28:30 <raphael> Comments of Suzanne: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Nov/0017.html
17:28:42 <raphael> Comments of Rapahel: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0062.html
17:28:59 <Jacco> Vassilis: Also little progress on solution, will focus on one of three types of solution
17:29:28 <mhausenb> agree. still we should describe the problems in depth ...
17:29:36 <Jacco> ACTION: Vassilis et al to provide 1st draft MPEG-7 UC before Dec 1.
17:30:39 <Jacco> Topic: 3.5 Photo Use case: (Susanne)
17:31:20 <Jacco> Susanne: in general this UC fits well with the interoperability focus of the XG
17:32:08 <Jacco> Most remarks were clarifications, ask how to do multiple domain ontologies using Hunter's ABC framework
17:34:22 <Jacco> Topic: 3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use Case
17:34:47 <raphael> zakim, unmute susanne
17:34:47 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'susanne'
17:34:49 <susanneBoll> yes
17:34:51 <raphael> zakim, unmute suzanne
17:34:51 <Zakim> suzanne should no longer be muted
17:34:52 <susanneBoll> SusanneBoll
17:35:19 <Jacco> zakim, suzanne is susanne
17:35:19 <Zakim> +susanne; got it
17:36:40 <Jacco> What about a general vocabulary for annotating photo's on the web
17:37:58 <Jacco> Susanne: We are working with a large photo provider, they need both high and low level features
17:38:12 <Jacco> And there is no common framework to do this on the web
17:38:59 <Jacco> Raphael: Suggest how to solve this in say, the XMP way versus, say the PhotoRDF stuff.
17:39:07 <Jacco> Raphael: Would this make sense?
17:40:05 <Jacco> XMP=embedded, PhotoRDF=external
17:41:23 <raphael> Centralized versus Distributed for the host of the photos and of the metadata
17:41:40 <raphael> How to retrieve from a photo its metadata ?
17:41:53 <Jacco> ACTION: Susanne extent draft Photo UC before Dec 1
17:42:18 <Jacco> Topic: 3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use Case
17:42:33 <Jacco> Ionnis is not present
17:43:40 <Jacco> Ioannis has troubles making the telephone confs
17:44:01 <Jacco> ACTION: Vassilis to suggest skype to Ioannis
17:44:05 <JeffP> W3C Zakim: +1.617.761.6200, +33.4.89.06.34.99 or +44.117.370.6152
17:44:48 <Jacco> ACTION: Vassilis to contact Ioannis about future of this UC
17:45:41 <Jacco> Topic:  3.7 Algorithm representation Use case
17:46:04 <Jacco> Massimo: not much progress last weeks
17:47:24 <Jacco> ACTION: Massimo & Suzanne to have draft ready for review before December 1
17:48:18 <raphael> zakim, mute susanne
17:48:18 <Zakim> susanne should now be muted
17:49:32 <Jacco> ACTION: Tobias to send comments on Algorithm representation Use case
17:49:41 <Jacco> Topic: 3.8 Tagging Use case
17:49:52 <raphael> Draft tagging ontology
17:50:11 <raphael> Problems: not possible to use DC and SKOS in OWL DL ... will be OWL Full
17:50:17 <Jacco> George: facing some skoss related problems, mailed to relevant w3c lists
17:51:11 <Jacco> Raphael: SWD WG will developp and OWL version of SKOS
17:51:26 <raphael> OWL DL version !
17:51:44 <susanneBoll> I would like to add the following link
17:51:52 <susanneBoll> Inducing Ontology from Flickr Tags 
17:51:53 <Jacco> George: developing prototype to show interoperability across tagging sites
17:51:57 <susanneBoll> http://www.rawsugar.com/www2006/22.pdf
17:52:12 <raphael> thx susanne
17:52:44 <raphael> we knew this paper ?
17:52:54 <raphael> s/?/.
17:53:13 <Jacco> s/knew/know about
17:54:19 <raphael> Jeff and Vassilis will review it Michael
17:54:27 <mhausenb> thanks!
17:54:54 <Jacco> ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
17:55:01 <raphael> Topic: 4. Interoperability Deliverable
17:55:20 <Jacco> Topic: 4  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
17:56:14 <Jacco> Semantic Web Activity lead Ivan Herman invited Raphael and Jeff to report back to the SW Coordination Group in January
17:56:45 <Jacco> Vassilis: I've put a first draft of the interoperability deliverable on the wiki
17:57:15 <Jacco> Raphael: The first point to discuss is the status of the Use Cases 
17:57:25 <mhausenb> looks sensible to me, vassilis
17:57:52 <ThomasFranz> zakim, unmute me
17:57:52 <Zakim> Thomas_Franz should no longer be muted
17:57:54 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Semantic_Interoperability
17:57:57 <Jacco> (short version of) use cases should be integrated in the deliverable
17:58:19 <mhausenb> opt for linking to tools/voc/resources NOT including them
17:58:53 <Jacco> Tobias: We could also do it the other way around: first discuss the issues and than match those with relevant use cases
17:59:59 <TobiasBuerger> Jacco: yes we could do that
17:59:59 <Jacco> Vassilis: I think the issue should be the use cases issues
18:00:02 <mhausenb> and I support Tobias proposal
18:01:08 <raphael> Status of the Tools / Vocabularies / Resources
18:01:12 <Jacco> Sorry all, I have to leave - see you next time
18:01:25 <raphael> Raphael: good to publicize, good result of the XG
18:01:26 <Zakim> -Jacco
18:01:39 <raphael> ... to include or not in the Deliverable ...
18:01:46 <raphael> ... most likely not
18:02:25 <Zakim> -Paola_Hobson
18:02:26 <raphael> ... so section 7 might disapear
18:02:46 <mhausenb> a pointer would do IMHO
18:04:01 <raphael> Use Cases: core meat or not of the document ?
18:04:41 <mhausenb> definitly, but summarized
18:05:01 <raphael> Introduction of the document decomposed into 4 sub-sections
18:05:36 <raphael> 6.2 is the summary of all interoperability problems encountered during the vaious use cases
18:06:05 <raphael> Raphael: are we able to do that from now ?
18:06:16 <raphael> Vassilis: yes, it will help the authors of the use cases
18:06:32 <mhausenb> IMO later (after stable UC)
18:09:41 <raphael> ACTION: Vassilis to clarify the content of section 6 and 9 and ask to use case authors precised contributions, on the mailling list
18:12:47 <Zakim> -susanne
18:12:59 <mhausenb> any news?
18:13:28 <Zakim> -Thomas_Franz
18:13:30 <Zakim> -anadiotis
18:13:32 <Zakim> -JeffP
18:13:33 <Zakim> -TobiasBuerger
18:13:33 <Zakim> -isti
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18:13:35 <Zakim> -raphael
18:13:41 <raphael> Topic: 5. F2F meeting
18:13:50 <raphael> please, all, fill the questionnaire !!!
18:14:13 <isti> bye !
18:14:46 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:14:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
18:14:55 <mhausenb> till next week, bye bye!
18:14:55 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs public
18:15:54 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:15:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
18:15:58 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs public
18:16:28 <Zakim> -Vassilis
18:16:29 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
18:16:31 <Zakim> Attendees were +43.662.228.aaaa, TobiasBuerger, +44.207.179.aabb, Jacco, raphael, Thomas_Franz, +31.20.665.aacc, Paola_Hobson, anadiotis, +39.050.aadd, JeffP, Vassilis, isti,
18:16:33 <Zakim> ... susanne
18:16:40 <raphael> Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
18:16:43 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:16:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
18:16:44 <raphael> Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
18:16:46 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs public
18:17:18 <raphael> Chair: Jeff, Raphael
18:17:29 <raphael> Title: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 16-11-2006, 16:00 UTC
18:17:33 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:17:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
18:17:35 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs public
18:18:43 <raphael> Chairq: Jeff, Raphael
18:18:47 <raphael> Chairs: Jeff, Raphael
18:18:49 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:18:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/16-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
18:18:51 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs public
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