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18:56:25 <fsasaki> meeting: WS Policy WG (editor's)
18:56:29 <fsasaki> chair: Maryann
18:56:34 <fsasaki> scribe: dorchard
18:56:41 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
18:57:17 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Nov/0058.html
18:57:36 <FrederickHirsch> which bridge number should we be using? are others on yet?
18:57:45 <maryann> felix, what is the bridge code?
18:57:58 <maryann> i had included  3348 in my mail, is that the right one?
19:00:47 <maryann> umit sends regrets
19:01:02 <fsasaki> I think she has a general conflict for this slot
19:01:34 <prasad> I will be a couple of minutes late. Sorry
19:03:37 <Zakim> +??P10
19:05:38 <FrederickHirsch> eclipse instructions: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/eclipse/eclipse.html
19:05:54 <Zakim> +Felix
19:06:16 <Zakim> +DOrchard
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19:06:40 <dorchard> test
19:06:50 <Zakim> +Prasad_Yendluri
19:07:40 <FrederickHirsch> scribe: FrederickHirsch
19:08:09 <fsasaki> scribe: Frederick
19:08:19 <fsasaki> scribeNick: FrederickHirsch
19:08:51 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: need to adjust rotation, new members Frederick and Umit
19:09:05 <FrederickHirsch> David: have been doing alphabeticallly on first name
19:09:12 <FrederickHirsch> zakim, who is here
19:09:12 <Zakim> FrederickHirsch, you need to end that query with '?'
19:09:19 <FrederickHirsch> zakim, who is here?
19:09:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Maryann_Hondo, asir, Felix, DOrchard, Prasad_Yendluri
19:09:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see dorchard, RRSAgent, fsasaki, Zakim, prasad, maryann, FrederickHirsch, asir, trackbot
19:09:31 <fsasaki> present+ Asir, Dave, Felix, Frederick, Maryann, Prasad
19:09:35 <fsasaki> regrets+ Umit
19:09:36 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: whoever is chair is scribe the following week
19:09:57 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: Prasad, Toufic, Umit, Asir, Dave, Felix, Frederick, Maryann
19:10:43 <FrederickHirsch> First chair, then scribe, reporter to WS-Policy on meeting they chaired
19:11:07 <FrederickHirsch> s/First/maryann: First
19:11:28 <FrederickHirsch> s/Prasad/Coming rotation - Prasad/
19:11:45 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: Team report from Dave, Maryann sent minutes out
19:12:32 <fsasaki> I will not be available on the 29th
19:12:35 <FrederickHirsch> No editors call next week, next call 29 November.
19:12:43 <FrederickHirsch> Topic: Action Item Review
19:12:50 <FrederickHirsch> 7 items
19:12:58 <FrederickHirsch> 1. Action 59, Umit, Maryann to follow up
19:13:20 <FrederickHirsch> 2 action 64, implement guidelines portion for issue 3705
19:13:32 <FrederickHirsch> Asir: why not close action 59, restates the obvious
19:14:03 <prasad> Editors welcome Frederic and Umit (not on the call)
19:14:19 <FrederickHirsch> I'm having acl problems accessing the action item list link
19:14:29 <prasad> s/Frederic/Frederick/
19:14:36 <FrederickHirsch> action items: http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/open
19:14:56 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3705
19:15:06 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/64
19:16:13 <FrederickHirsch> i fixed my acl problem, my mistake :)
19:17:01 <FrederickHirsch> 2006-10-31: 1. Separated the Guidelines Document portion of the action into a separate new action - see http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/64 2. Framework document - implemented resolution for issue 3705 - see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Oct/0116.html
19:17:16 <asir> resolution for issue 3705 is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0093.html
19:17:16 <FrederickHirsch> s/2006/notes on action 54 include 2006/
19:17:36 <FrederickHirsch> maryann - will update guidelines with related text
19:18:37 <FrederickHirsch> action 77 - Part 1 (Guidelines) - Implement the resolution for issue 3792 (section 4.* Primer->Guidelines) etc.
19:20:52 <FrederickHirsch> asir - make snapshot of primer to have version to go back to, then can use resolution to implement in primer
19:21:04 <FrederickHirsch> q+
19:21:33 <fsasaki> ack Fre
19:21:33 <FrederickHirsch> frederick: is it possible to make snapshot of guidelines before Maryanns changes to 77
19:22:36 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: is snapshot tagging
19:23:00 <FrederickHirsch> asir: create new file with date in file name, allows diff etc
19:23:54 <FrederickHirsch> asir: will do for version before Maryann's edits for both xml and html
19:24:10 <FrederickHirsch> ACTION: Asir create snapshots of guidelines before maryann edit
19:24:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Create snapshots of guidelines before maryann edit [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2006-11-22].
19:24:18 <asir> ACTION: Asir to create snap shots (xml and html) of the primer and guidelines document prior to shuffling (related to issue 3792
19:24:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-83 - Create snap shots (xml and html) of the primer and guidelines document prior to shuffling (related to issue 3792 [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2006-11-22].
19:25:09 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: change date for completion on action 80?
19:25:25 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: need to have consistent dates for two related actions, 
19:25:32 <FrederickHirsch> asir: change date for action 77
19:27:03 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: will continue to apply changes from F2F for 29th, then Frederick will review and take an editorial pass on guidelines and open new action
19:27:20 <FrederickHirsch> asir: who owns 77
19:27:31 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: maryann owns it
19:28:26 <Zakim> -DOrchard
19:28:47 <Zakim> -Felix
19:29:31 <prasad> Is it better to split 77 also into two separate AIs?
19:29:33 <Zakim> +Felix
19:29:56 <FrederickHirsch> Goal is to have plan for 29th, not revision of guidelines
19:30:06 <asir> +1 to splitting 77 into multiple trackable AIs
19:36:40 <asir> Maryann to continue to own 77
19:36:46 <asir> delivery by Nov 29th
19:36:59 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: Maryann owns 77, will deliver by 29th a draft of merge. Frederick to review and take another editorial pass on document.
19:36:59 <asir> Frederick - will have a separate action to go through a second pass on guidelines
19:38:36 <asir> ACTION: Everyone to Part 3 (Guidelines) - Implement the resolution for issue 3792 (section 4.* Primer->Guidelines) etc. - Frederick will take a second pass
19:38:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Part 3 (Guidelines) - Implement the resolution for issue 3792 (section 4.* Primer->Guidelines) etc. - Frederick will take a second pass [on Everyone Everyone - due 2006-11-22].
19:38:56 <FrederickHirsch> action 84 specific to guidelines
19:39:24 <asir> ACTION: Felix to update action 84
19:39:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-85 - Update action 84 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2006-11-22].
19:40:39 <FrederickHirsch> Summary: Maryann to merge primer material into guidelines and reorganize by 27 November, then Frederick to review and take additional editorial pass by 2 Dec
19:40:56 <FrederickHirsch> asir: finished MTOM revision, but CVS commit not completed
19:41:34 <FrederickHirsch> asir: Will take action 81, to resolution for 3966
19:42:17 <FrederickHirsch> s/finished/action 79 finished
19:42:49 <FrederickHirsch> asir: will take additional action to update list of editors across all specs
19:43:07 <asir> ACTION: Asir to update the list of editors across all the docs (framework, attachment, primer and guidelines)
19:43:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Update the list of editors across all the docs (framework, attachment, primer and guidelines) [on Asir Vedamuthu - due 2006-11-22].
19:45:18 <FrederickHirsch> Topic: Planning
19:45:19 <asir> q+
19:46:03 <FrederickHirsch> prasad: what is our goal, when, Last call?
19:46:15 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: need to do working draft before Last call, for guidelines
19:46:23 <FrederickHirsch> parsad: primer we've had working draft out
19:46:39 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: need the pair both ready for working group review and comment
19:46:56 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: treat both together, without ambiguity and overlap
19:47:18 <FrederickHirsch> felix: no need for transitions for these documents, just update now
19:47:45 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: need to indicate to chairs that we think we are done with all issues and editorial updates for both, without overlap
19:48:25 <FrederickHirsch> asir: as part of action 77, one point of style of guidance should be like primer style, forward pointers to question answers
19:48:28 <FrederickHirsch> asir: who is doing that
19:48:36 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: I am taking a first pass
19:48:46 <FrederickHirsch> I'll take a second pass
19:50:20 <FrederickHirsch> Question - how does editorial team work in this case, do we have an editorial team review before bringing to working group?
19:50:36 <FrederickHirsch> prasad: This is a major change, so may want editorial team review
19:50:40 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: agrees
19:50:43 <FrederickHirsch> +1
19:50:59 <asir> ack a
19:51:32 <FrederickHirsch> Everyone should read guidelines
19:53:32 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: create action for everyone to review guidelines 
19:56:14 <FrederickHirsch> maryann: review by 8th December for editorial , plan for delivery to working group on 13th
19:56:56 <FrederickHirsch> deliver 11th to working group mailing list
19:57:08 <FrederickHirsch> s/11th/11th of December
19:57:36 <FrederickHirsch> Editors should raise issues early the week of 4th so issues can be resolved that week if possible
19:58:54 <FrederickHirsch> asir: provide window, 11th earliest, 18th latest for delivery to working group
19:59:19 <FrederickHirsch> asir: this is a big job
19:59:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/15-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html fsasaki
20:01:41 <Zakim> -asir
20:01:42 <Zakim> -Prasad_Yendluri
20:01:42 <Zakim> -Felix
20:01:44 <Zakim> -Maryann_Hondo
20:01:46 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
20:01:48 <Zakim> WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has ended
20:01:49 <Zakim> Attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, Maryann_Hondo, asir, Felix, DOrchard, Prasad_Yendluri
20:01:54 <maryann> maryann has left #ws-policy-eds
20:03:23 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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