IRC log of grddl-wg on 2006-11-15
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- +DanC
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- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-11-15T11:00-0400" taken up
- 16:01:58 [DanC]
- Zakim, aaaa is HarryH
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- +HarryH; got it
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- HarryH has joined #grddl-wg
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- +Murray_Maloney
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- +Ian_Davis
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- +??P24
- 16:04:44 [bwm]
- Zakim, ??p24 is bwm
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- +bwm; got it
- 16:04:44 [DanC]
- agenda + ISWC buzz, WWW2006 tutorial
- 16:06:07 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 16:06:07 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see HarryH, DanC, Murray_Maloney, Ian_Davis, bwm
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/att-0027/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html__charset_us-ascii minutes 1 Nov
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- RESOLVED: to approve minutes 1 Nov
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- PROPOSED: to meet again 22 Nov
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- IanD: I'll scribe
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- RESOLVED: to meet again 22 Nov, Ian d. to scribe
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Cross-document Introduction" taken up
- 16:07:43 [DanC]
- ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [CONTINUES
- 16:07:50 [DanC]
- ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [CONTINUES]
- 16:08:13 [HarryH]
- Zakim, item 4
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- I don't understand 'item 4', HarryH
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 was just opened, HarryH
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- Zakim, close item
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- I don't understand 'close item', HarryH
- 16:08:34 [HarryH]
- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. GRDDL Spec: General issues
- 16:08:41 [DanC]
- DanC: Ian, pls note Brian M's comments on the intro while you're at it
- 16:08:42 [HarryH]
- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "GRDDL Spec: General issues" taken up
- 16:08:43 [DanC]
- Ian: OK
- 16:09:14 [HarryH]
- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:09:17 [HarryH]
- Zakim, next item
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- 4. [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML
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- agendum 4. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up
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- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 4 closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 5. [#issue-mt-ns]
- 16:10:35 [DanC]
- DanC: pending_tests include "be robust in the face of unknown serializations", "you may support turtle"
- 16:11:25 [DanC]
- agenda + Schedule
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- Zakim, take up item 9
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- agendum 9. "Schedule" taken up [from DanC]
- 16:11:32 [HarryH]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/#charter_history
- 16:11:56 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/#sched
- 16:15:46 [DanC]
- DanC: the "no CR" plan assumes having tests concurrent with resolving issues; we're not going as fast as I'd hope
- 16:17:19 [DanC]
- Harry: I can contact everybody about thier work list
- 16:17:51 [DanC]
- Murray: maybe you could put together a work list and schedule.
- 16:18:09 [DanC]
- Harry: well, the agenda is supposed to work that way, but actions are lastingn longer than a week
- 16:18:39 [DanC]
- ACTION Harry: update weekly agenda with durations/dates/schedule info
- 16:18:43 [DanC]
- Zakim, close item 9
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- agendum 9, Schedule, closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 5. [#issue-mt-ns]
- 16:20:11 [DanC]
- ACTION: chimezie to develop test case to demonstrate both sides of the issue with #issue-output-formats [CONTINUES]
- 16:20:15 [DanC]
- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 5. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up
- 16:20:41 [DanC]
- ACTION: DannyA to elaborate on issue-mt-ns, in particular RDF not labelled as application/rdf+xml. [DONE]
- 16:20:56 [DanC]
- ACTION: DanC to notifiy TAG of interaction between issue-mt-ns and TAG issues on mime types and namespaces [DONE]
- 16:22:16 [HarryH]
- TAG: "Follow your nose" solution seems to be generally accepted to TAG
- 16:22:50 [HarryH]
- By "follow your nose" we mean that triples should be in the GRDDL result document for DanC's test case.
- 16:22:56 [DanC]
- . http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/0060.html
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- +Chimezie_Ogbuji
- 16:24:15 [HarryH]
- Murray: "Follow your nose" - if you can follow URIs to find new information you need, good for you
- 16:24:49 [HarryH]
- DanC: Just given MIME-type and content, should your GRDDL result doc have triples?
- 16:25:07 [HarryH]
- DanC: Currently test suite says "no" and DanC thinks he's wrong, TAG agrees.
- 16:25:48 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-mt-ns
- 16:28:23 [HarryH]
- So we've had a third bullet.
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- PROPOSAL: RDF/XML statements labelled as application/xml constitute a "document whose meaning includes the RDF statement ..."
- 16:30:59 [HarryH]
- DanC doesn't like that wording.
- 16:31:09 [HarryH]
- So he suggests we postpone
- 16:31:50 [DanC]
- PROPOSAL: the GRDDL result of an RDF/XML document served as application/xml is the graph specified by the RDF syntax spec
- 16:32:18 [DanC]
- DanC: yes, I'll move the XProc bullet from issue-mt-ns to issue-whichlangs
- 16:34:03 [HarryH]
- Chime: prefers to use the word "parse" rather than the more abstract graph.
- 16:36:27 [DanC]
- agenda + hello-world test case
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- Zakim, take up Primer
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- I don't understand 'take up Primer', DanC
- 16:38:14 [DanC]
- ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data. [CONTINUES]
- 16:38:43 [DanC]
- Harry: we can check in what we've got
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- Zakim, take up item hello
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- agendum 10. "hello-world test case" taken up [from DanC]
- 16:40:09 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#title_author
- 16:40:53 [iand]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/titleauthor.html
- 16:42:12 [DanC]
- Revision: 1.6 $ of $Date: 2006/11/15 16:41:54
- 16:45:58 [DanC]
- output is http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/titleauthor-output.rdf
- 16:47:36 [DanC]
- PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#title_author incl http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/titleauthor.html 1.7 and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/titleauthor-output.rdf 1.3 of 2006/11/07 06:48:58
- 16:55:17 [DanC]
- "These test don't involve namespace documents, so they're easy to run offline." should say something about relative URIs and bases
- 16:59:47 [DanC]
- ACTION IanD: study http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#title_author
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- Zakim, take up item iswc
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- 'iswc' does not match any agenda item, DanC
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- Zakim, take up item ISWC
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- Zakim, take up item tutorial
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- agendum 8. "ISWC buzz, WWW2006 tutorial" taken up [from DanC]
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- agendum 8. "ISWC buzz, WWW2006 tutorial" taken up [from DanC]
- 17:02:42 [DanC]
- ACTION Harry: send info about WWW2007 GRDDL tutorial
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- -Ian_Davis
- 17:04:16 [DanC]
- HH: there has been a suggestion to combine the GRDDL tutorial with an RDFa tutorial; I'm not sure about that
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- ADJOURN.
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- -Murray_Maloney
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- -bwm
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- RRSAgent, stop
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- regrets: BenA
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- Present: DanC, HarryH, Murray_Maloney, Ian_Davis, bwm, Chimezie_Ogbuji
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- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/15-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
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- Meeting: GRDDL WG Weekly
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- Chair: HarryH
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- Scribe: Chime
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- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/15-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
- 17:18:57 [chimezie]
- Okay I can do the remaining edits from here
- 17:19:41 [DanC]
- cool.
- 17:20:06 [DanC]
- how shall we collaborate on GRDDL.py ? I'm interested to try hg or bzr so we can include non-WG folks
- 17:20:23 [chimezie]
- i haven't used either before, but sounds like a good idea
- 17:20:29 [DanC]
- or we can use CVS in the WG area or somewhere else
- 17:20:50 [chimezie]
- I'm not sure how much of a learning curve there is to use either (i'm primarily used to cvs and svn)
- 17:21:01 [DanC]
- ok, I have hg partly working, so let's try that for abit
- 17:21:06 [chimezie]
- unforunately my ssh-public key changed when i updated ubuntu ..
- 17:21:23 [chimezie]
- i'm still working through some snafus, but let me see if i can pull in hg packages
- 17:21:26 [DanC]
- see http://homer.w3.org:8000/
- 17:21:31 [chimezie]
- okay
- 17:21:38 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, stop