16:01:18 RRSAgent has joined #grddl-wg 16:01:18 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/11/15-grddl-wg-irc 16:01:24 - +1.919.457.aaaa 16:01:25 + +1.919.457.aaaa 16:01:26 +DanC 16:01:37 Zakim, take up item 1 16:01:37 agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-11-15T11:00-0400" taken up 16:01:58 Zakim, aaaa is HarryH 16:01:59 +HarryH; got it 16:02:05 HarryH has joined #grddl-wg 16:03:01 +Murray_Maloney 16:03:06 iand has joined #grddl-wg 16:04:07 +Ian_Davis 16:04:35 +??P24 16:04:44 Zakim, ??p24 is bwm 16:04:44 +bwm; got it 16:04:44 agenda + ISWC buzz, WWW2006 tutorial 16:06:07 Zakim, who's on the phone? 16:06:07 On the phone I see HarryH, DanC, Murray_Maloney, Ian_Davis, bwm 16:06:14 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/att-0027/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html__charset_us-ascii minutes 1 Nov 16:06:19 RESOLVED: to approve minutes 1 Nov 16:06:39 PROPOSED: to meet again 22 Nov 16:06:43 IanD: I'll scribe 16:06:57 RESOLVED: to meet again 22 Nov, Ian d. to scribe 16:07:24 Zakim, next item 16:07:24 agendum 2. "Cross-document Introduction" taken up 16:07:43 ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [CONTINUES 16:07:50 ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [CONTINUES] 16:08:13 Zakim, item 4 16:08:13 I don't understand 'item 4', HarryH 16:08:19 Zakim, next item 16:08:19 agendum 2 was just opened, HarryH 16:08:27 Zakim, close item 16:08:27 I don't understand 'close item', HarryH 16:08:34 Zakim, close this item 16:08:34 agendum 2 closed 16:08:36 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:08:37 3. GRDDL Spec: General issues 16:08:41 DanC: Ian, pls note Brian M's comments on the intro while you're at it 16:08:42 Zakim, next item 16:08:42 agendum 3. "GRDDL Spec: General issues" taken up 16:08:43 Ian: OK 16:09:14 Zakim, close this item 16:09:14 agendum 3 closed 16:09:15 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:09:17 Zakim, next item 16:09:17 4. [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML 16:09:19 agendum 4. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up 16:09:32 Zakim, close this item 16:09:32 agendum 4 closed 16:09:33 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:09:34 5. [#issue-mt-ns] 16:10:35 DanC: pending_tests include "be robust in the face of unknown serializations", "you may support turtle" 16:11:25 agenda + Schedule 16:11:29 Zakim, take up item 9 16:11:29 agendum 9. "Schedule" taken up [from DanC] 16:11:32 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/#charter_history 16:11:56 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/#sched 16:15:46 DanC: the "no CR" plan assumes having tests concurrent with resolving issues; we're not going as fast as I'd hope 16:17:19 Harry: I can contact everybody about thier work list 16:17:51 Murray: maybe you could put together a work list and schedule. 16:18:09 Harry: well, the agenda is supposed to work that way, but actions are lastingn longer than a week 16:18:39 ACTION Harry: update weekly agenda with durations/dates/schedule info 16:18:43 Zakim, close item 9 16:18:43 agendum 9, Schedule, closed 16:18:45 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:18:46 5. [#issue-mt-ns] 16:20:11 ACTION: chimezie to develop test case to demonstrate both sides of the issue with #issue-output-formats [CONTINUES] 16:20:15 Zakim, next item 16:20:15 agendum 5. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up 16:20:41 ACTION: DannyA to elaborate on issue-mt-ns, in particular RDF not labelled as application/rdf+xml. [DONE] 16:20:56 ACTION: DanC to notifiy TAG of interaction between issue-mt-ns and TAG issues on mime types and namespaces [DONE] 16:22:16 TAG: "Follow your nose" solution seems to be generally accepted to TAG 16:22:50 By "follow your nose" we mean that triples should be in the GRDDL result document for DanC's test case. 16:22:56 . http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/0060.html 16:23:41 +Chimezie_Ogbuji 16:24:15 Murray: "Follow your nose" - if you can follow URIs to find new information you need, good for you 16:24:49 DanC: Just given MIME-type and content, should your GRDDL result doc have triples? 16:25:07 DanC: Currently test suite says "no" and DanC thinks he's wrong, TAG agrees. 16:25:48 http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#issue-mt-ns 16:28:23 So we've had a third bullet. 16:29:05 PROPOSAL: RDF/XML statements labelled as application/xml constitute a "document whose meaning includes the RDF statement ..." 16:30:59 DanC doesn't like that wording. 16:31:09 So he suggests we postpone 16:31:50 PROPOSAL: the GRDDL result of an RDF/XML document served as application/xml is the graph specified by the RDF syntax spec 16:32:18 DanC: yes, I'll move the XProc bullet from issue-mt-ns to issue-whichlangs 16:34:03 Chime: prefers to use the word "parse" rather than the more abstract graph. 16:36:27 agenda + hello-world test case 16:37:51 Zakim, take up Primer 16:37:51 I don't understand 'take up Primer', DanC 16:38:14 ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data. [CONTINUES] 16:38:43 Harry: we can check in what we've got 16:38:50 Zakim, take up item hello 16:38:50 agendum 10. "hello-world test case" taken up [from DanC] 16:40:09 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#title_author 16:40:53 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/titleauthor.html 16:42:12 Revision: 1.6 $ of $Date: 2006/11/15 16:41:54 16:45:58 output is http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/titleauthor-output.rdf 16:47:36 PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#title_author incl http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/titleauthor.html 1.7 and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/titleauthor-output.rdf 1.3 of 2006/11/07 06:48:58 16:55:17 "These test don't involve namespace documents, so they're easy to run offline." should say something about relative URIs and bases 16:59:47 ACTION IanD: study http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#title_author 17:00:49 Zakim, take up item iswc 17:00:58 'iswc' does not match any agenda item, DanC 17:01:06 Zakim, take up item ISWC 17:01:23 Zakim, take up item tutorial 17:01:26 agendum 8. "ISWC buzz, WWW2006 tutorial" taken up [from DanC] 17:01:38 agendum 8. "ISWC buzz, WWW2006 tutorial" taken up [from DanC] 17:02:42 ACTION Harry: send info about WWW2007 GRDDL tutorial 17:03:24 -Ian_Davis 17:04:16 HH: there has been a suggestion to combine the GRDDL tutorial with an RDFa tutorial; I'm not sure about that 17:05:56 ADJOURN. 17:05:56 -Murray_Maloney 17:05:59 -bwm 17:06:13 RRSAgent, stop 17:17:27 regrets: BenA 17:17:45 Present: DanC, HarryH, Murray_Maloney, Ian_Davis, bwm, Chimezie_Ogbuji 17:17:51 RRSAgent, generate minutes 17:17:51 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/15-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC 17:18:01 Meeting: GRDDL WG Weekly 17:18:05 Chair: HarryH 17:18:16 Scribe: Chime 17:18:19 RRSAgent, generate minutes 17:18:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/15-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC 17:18:57 Okay I can do the remaining edits from here 17:19:41 cool. 17:20:06 how shall we collaborate on GRDDL.py ? I'm interested to try hg or bzr so we can include non-WG folks 17:20:23 i haven't used either before, but sounds like a good idea 17:20:29 or we can use CVS in the WG area or somewhere else 17:20:50 I'm not sure how much of a learning curve there is to use either (i'm primarily used to cvs and svn) 17:21:01 ok, I have hg partly working, so let's try that for abit 17:21:06 unforunately my ssh-public key changed when i updated ubuntu .. 17:21:23 i'm still working through some snafus, but let me see if i can pull in hg packages 17:21:26 see http://homer.w3.org:8000/ 17:21:31 okay 17:21:38 RRSAgent, stop