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14:21:58 <kendallclark> zakim,this will be dawg
14:21:58 <Zakim> ok, kendallclark; I see SW_DAWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:22:02 <kendallclark> delightful
14:22:50 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ bootup()
14:22:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
14:23:04 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ action items
14:23:04 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
14:23:13 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ conf reports
14:23:13 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
14:23:20 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ semantics
14:23:20 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
14:23:35 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ filter scope and optionals
14:23:35 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
14:23:48 <kendallclark> zakim, agenda+ open world value tests
14:23:49 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
14:27:46 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has now started
14:27:53 <Zakim> +Elias_Torres
14:28:48 <Zakim> +??P17
14:28:59 <SimonR> Zakim, ??P17 is me
14:28:59 <Zakim> +SimonR; got it
14:29:17 <Zakim> +??P19
14:29:20 <AndyS> zakim, ??P19 is me
14:29:20 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:29:56 <Zakim> +Kendall_Clark
14:29:57 <AndyS> Meeting: RDF Data Access Working Group telecon
14:30:03 <AndyS> Chair: Kendall Clark
14:30:09 <AndyS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0138.html
14:30:15 <AndyS> Scribe: Andy Seaborne
14:30:19 <AndyS> ScribeNick: AndyS
14:30:57 <kendallclark> zakim, who's on the phone
14:30:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', kendallclark
14:31:00 <kendallclark> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:31:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Elias_Torres, SimonR, AndyS, Kendall_Clark
14:32:04 <AndyS> Regrets: EricP, Lee
14:33:20 <AndyS> Regrets: EricP, LeeF, PatH
14:34:55 <kendallclark> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0130.html
14:35:48 <AndyS> Seconded: elias
14:36:15 <AndyS> Resolved: to accept the minutes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0130.html
14:38:00 <AndyS> Next meeting: 21 Nov
14:39:13 <kendallclark> @ 14:30 UTC
14:40:05 <AndyS> (discussion of moving time - no conclusion)
14:40:12 <AndyS> Scribe next time: EliasT
14:40:17 <AndyS> aka Lee.
14:40:22 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
14:40:22 <Zakim> agendum 1. "bootup()" taken up [from kendallclark]
14:40:32 <kendallclark> zakim, close agendum
14:40:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', kendallclark
14:40:34 <kendallclark> zakim, close agendum #1
14:40:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum #1', kendallclark
14:40:42 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
14:40:42 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, kendallclark
14:40:48 <AndyS> Regrets: +SteveH
14:40:49 <kendallclark> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:40:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from kendallclark]
14:41:18 <AndyS> ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section for WG consideration
14:41:21 <AndyS> CONTINUES
14:41:29 <AndyS> ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue
14:41:33 <kendallclark> zakim, close agendum
14:41:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', kendallclark
14:41:36 <AndyS> CONTINUES
14:41:37 <kendallclark> zakim, close agendum 2
14:41:37 <Zakim> agendum 2, action items, closed
14:41:38 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:41:39 <Zakim> 1. bootup() [from kendallclark]
14:41:44 <AndyS> ACTION: PatH to review the proposed tests in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JulSep/0169 and say yay or nay
14:41:46 <kendallclark> zakim, close agendum 1
14:41:46 <Zakim> agendum 1, bootup(), closed
14:41:47 <AndyS> CONTINUES
14:41:47 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:41:48 <Zakim> 3. conf reports [from kendallclark]
14:41:53 <kendallclark> zakim, take up next agendum
14:41:53 <Zakim> agendum 3. "conf reports" taken up [from kendallclark]
14:41:56 <AndyS> ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put to the question (re:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0099.html )
14:41:59 <AndyS> CONTINUES
14:42:09 <AndyS> ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section for WG consideration
14:42:12 <AndyS> CONTINUES
14:44:06 <AndyS> ISWC update: possible BGP matcher external to spec for > simple entailment
14:48:35 <AndyS> "SPARQL-DL": 90% of OWL-ED interested in that.  DL-community would extend SPARQL themselves.
14:48:58 <AndyS> kendall: good outcome for DAWG
14:49:18 <AndyS> ... means current spec just needs to leave the door open but not solve extension
14:50:25 <Zakim> -AndyS
14:50:54 <Zakim> +??P1
14:50:55 <AndyS> zakim, ??P1 is me
14:50:55 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
14:51:35 <kendallclark> (http://pellet.owldl.com/)
14:53:48 <kendallclark> ouch
14:55:57 <SimonR> AndyS: hopes to produce a reviewable draft of rq24 w/ all new material by ~Dec 1.  If comments on disvussion go favorably, possible that this might be approved in Dec.
14:56:34 <AndyS> AndyS: hopes to have a separate doc with new content for rq24 by Dec 1.
14:57:30 <SimonR> (De nada!  Better if it was actually accurate.  :) )
15:00:03 <AndyS> AndyS: cardinality of bnodes in BGP : might be able to make a free choice on counting/non-counting for bnodes. May make it easier to implement if act as hidden varaiables.
15:00:23 <kendallclark> zakim, who's making noise?
15:00:35 <Zakim> kendallclark, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (10%), Kendall_Clark (37%)
15:02:12 <AndyS> discussion on scoping set + GRAPH
15:02:36 <AndyS> Kendall: ?ADJOURN?
15:02:41 <AndyS> Simon: seconded
15:02:51 <AndyS> ADJOURNED
15:03:08 <AndyS> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:03:18 <AndyS> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:03:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-dawg-minutes.html AndyS
15:03:50 <Zakim> -Elias_Torres
15:03:54 <Zakim> -SimonR
15:04:10 <Zakim> -AndyS
15:04:12 <Zakim> -Kendall_Clark
15:04:14 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()9:30AM has ended
15:04:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Elias_Torres, SimonR, AndyS, Kendall_Clark
15:05:33 <AndyS> AndyS has left #dawg
15:10:37 <afs> rrsagent, please leave
15:10:37 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-dawg-actions.rdf :
15:10:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section for WG consideration [1]
15:10:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-dawg-irc#T14-41-18
15:10:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KendallC to close formsOfDistinct issue [2]
15:10:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-dawg-irc#T14-41-29
15:10:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to review the proposed tests in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JulSep/0169 and say yay or nay [3]
15:10:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-dawg-irc#T14-41-44
15:10:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KendallC to remember that the wee, lost filter tests should be put to the question (re:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006OctDec/0099.html ) [4]
15:10:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-dawg-irc#T14-41-56
15:10:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH to draft replacement vanilla entailment section for WG consideration [5]
15:10:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/14-dawg-irc#T14-42-09