IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-11-09

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RRSAgent, do not start a new log

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RRSAgent, make log world

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zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG

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ok, ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 37 minutes ago

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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006OctDec/0107.html

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Chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly

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Regrets: Cynthia_Shelly, Gez_Lemon

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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates

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agenda+ Oct 2006 Face to Face Resolutions

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agenda+ Editor's Issues for 19 October

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agenda+ Misc. Proposals for 09 November

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agenda+ Team C Survey for 09 November

20:44:57 [bengt]

ben please chg 9Pm central europe to 10pm central europe in the time information

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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started

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+Sofia_Celic

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+??P10

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20:59:51 [ben]

zakim, ??P10 is Ben_Caldwell

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+Ben_Caldwell; got it

20:59:55 [ben]

zakim, who is on the phone?

20:59:55 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Ben_Caldwell

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+??P11

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, ??P11 is David_MacDonald

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+David_MacDonald; got it

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+Cooper

21:00:27 [bengt]

zakim, [IPcaller] is Bengt_Farre

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+Bengt_Farre; got it

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21:01:06 [ben]

zakim, who is on the phone

21:01:06 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is on the phone', ben

21:01:12 [ben]

zakim, who is on the phone?

21:01:12 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Cooper

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+ +1.410.964.aaaa

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+Sean_Hayes

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+Becky_Gibson

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+Christophe_Strobbe

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zakim, +1.410.964.aaaa is Tim_Boland

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+Tim_Boland; got it

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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid

21:04:55 [ben]

zakim, who is on the phone?

21:04:55 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Cooper, Tim_Boland, Sean_Hayes, Becky_Gibson, Christophe_Strobbe, Loretta_Guarino_Reid

21:06:32 [becka11y]

scribe: becka11y

21:06:44 [ben]

zakim, take up agendum 1

21:06:44 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben]

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+John_Slatin

21:07:53 [LGuarino]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/wcag2faq.html

21:08:06 [becka11y]

There is a WCAG FAQ available - take a look!

21:10:42 [ben]

zakim, close this item

21:10:42 [Zakim]

agendum 1 closed

21:10:43 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. Oct 2006 Face to Face Resolutions [from ben]

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zakim, take up agendum 2

21:10:48 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Oct 2006 Face to Face Resolutions" taken up [from ben]

21:11:32 [becka11y]

Topic: User Contributed Content survey item

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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/f2f25oct2006/results#xftfuser

21:13:43 [ben]

zakim, who is on the phone?

21:13:43 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Sofia_Celic, Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Cooper, Tim_Boland, Sean_Hayes, Becky_Gibson, Christophe_Strobbe, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin

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q+

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q+

21:17:00 [ben]

ack becka

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ack sean

21:18:08 [bengt]

q+ different binary

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ack different

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ack binary

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q+ to say rendered content

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ack John

21:20:42 [rellero__]

I'm sorry but both I and Luca Mascaro cannot connect with Skype, there are problems with the line

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ack bengt

21:20:49 [Zakim]

bengt, you wanted to say rendered content

21:23:26 [bengt]

q+ to say chg from policy word : censorship

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+Gregg_Vanderheiden

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want to capture that it is Web content that is being contributed in the definition.

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q+

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ack bengt

21:28:28 [Zakim]

bengt, you wanted to say chg from policy word : censorship

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ack beck

21:28:47 [becka11y]

action: David to research how to provide instructions about the accessibility features (based on his survey comments)

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proposal to reword to use automatic filtering rather than censorship

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resolution: action: Gregg to include survey comments in his conformance proposal.

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action: Gregg to include survey comments about user contributed content in is conformance proposal

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s/is/his

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s/is/the

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Topic: aggregated content survey item

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s/hthe/the

21:48:05 [ben]

zakim, Gregg has Andi_Snow-Weaver

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+Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it

21:50:55 [becka11y]

action: David to send proposal for new wording for conformance of aggregated content to the WCAG list

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-Gregg_Vanderheiden

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+Gregg_Vanderheiden

21:55:37 [ben]

zakim, mute Gregg

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Gregg_Vanderheiden should now be muted

21:55:47 [ben]

zakim, unmute Gregg

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Gregg_Vanderheiden should no longer be muted

21:55:53 [ben]

zakim, who is making noise?

21:56:03 [Zakim]

ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tim_Boland (50%), Becky_Gibson (4%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (25%)

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zakim, mute Tim

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Tim_Boland should now be muted

21:57:21 [becka11y]

Resolution: group agrees that conformance is on the aggregated content; subclaims would be useful for the aggregator but would not be used to make a conformance claim. subunits do not inherit the conformance of the containing page.

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Topic: Web page vs Web unit

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/me resolution: Delete items 1,2,3 from the survey proposal. Agree that we will use web page rather than web unit unless we can't make web page work.

22:01:41 [becka11y]

resolution: Delete items 1,2,3 from the survey proposal. Agree that we will use web page rather than web unit unless we can't make web page work.

22:01:59 [ben]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 2 closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. Editor's Issues for 19 October [from ben]

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "Editor's Issues for 19 October" taken up [from ben]

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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20061019editorz/results

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Topic: unanimous consent of items on survey with no disenting comments

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Resolution: accept items LC-819 and LC-1118

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Topic: issue 714

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Resolution: accept 714 as proposed.

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Topic: issues 799 and 1409

22:08:55 [Christophe]

zakim, mute me

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Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted

22:11:43 [becka11y]

Resolution: change the status from partial accept to reject. Replace "The working group does, however," from the beginning of the first paragraph, with "although we are not changing WCAG conformance, we recognize the value of what you request. Therefore, the WG plans to ..."

22:11:44 [Zakim]

-Tim_Boland

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Topic: issue 949

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+[IPcaller]

22:14:20 [rellero__]

zakim, [ipcaller] is Roberto_Ellero

22:14:20 [Zakim]

+Roberto_Ellero; got it

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zakim, mute me

22:14:26 [Zakim]

sorry, rellero__, I do not see a party named 'rellero__'

22:14:34 [rellero__]

zakim, mute Roberto_ellero

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Roberto_Ellero should now be muted

22:14:37 [Christophe]

zakim, unmute me

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Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted

22:15:14 [Christophe]

zakim, mute me

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Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted

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+Katie_Haritos-Shea

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-David_MacDonald

22:20:17 [becka11y]

Resolution: accept part 2 of Gregg's survey suggestion to remove the use of the term regular expression and thus remove it from the glossay. Action Gregg to create new proposal.

22:20:53 [becka11y]

Action: Gregg to create new proposal for 959 and 1152 based on survey suggestion in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20061019editorz/results

22:21:35 [ben]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 3 closed

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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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4. Misc. Proposals for 09 November [from ben]

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zakim, take up agendum 4

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agendum 4. "Misc. Proposals for 09 November" taken up [from ben]

22:21:47 [ben]

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2006-11-07f2frnd2/results

22:21:49 [becka11y]

Topic: New Level 2 SC for Guideline 1.4

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zakim, mute Gregg

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Gregg_Vanderheiden should now be muted

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q?

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zakim, unmute Gregg

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Gregg_Vanderheiden should no longer be muted

22:27:15 [sean]

q+

22:27:46 [ben]

zakim, unmute Tim

22:27:46 [Zakim]

sorry, ben, I do not see a party named 'Tim'

22:28:02 [Michael_Cooper]

q+ to say if a technology was used that didn't support scaling, there would also be an author issue

22:30:02 [Gregg]

q?

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ack s

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ack m

22:31:40 [Zakim]

Michael_Cooper, you wanted to say if a technology was used that didn't support scaling, there would also be an author issue

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q+

22:32:25 [Christophe]

zakim, unmute me

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Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted

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q-

22:32:43 [sean]

q+

22:34:44 [LGuarino]

ack s

22:40:31 [becka11y]

Resolution: send this to team b to incorporate the survey comments and make a new proposal for the SC including a draft of the HTM document.

22:40:53 [becka11y]

Topic: New Level 3 SC for Guideline 1.4

22:52:18 [becka11y]

Resolution: send back to team b. Discussion of whether of not we should just require the content to reflow or if we need to define an upper limit on scaling.

22:52:34 [becka11y]

Topic: SC 1.1.1 Revisions

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-Bengt_Farre

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q+

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q-

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zakim, mute gregg

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Gregg_Vanderheiden should now be muted

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zakim, unmute gregg

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Gregg_Vanderheiden should no longer be muted

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-Roberto_Ellero

23:02:02 [becka11y]

Resolution: Modify bullet 3 to replace "operated" with "accessed". Need to reopen issue 995 which added "at least one of the following" to this SC (but which has been removed in this proposal).

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-Katie_Haritos-Shea

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-Sean_Hayes

23:03:09 [ben]

Present: Sofia_Celic, Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Cooper, Tim_Boland, Sean_Hayes, Becky_Gibson, Christophe_Strobbe, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Katie_Haritos-Shea

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-Sofia_Celic

23:03:14 [ben]

zakim, close this item

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agendum 4 closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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5. Team C Survey for 09 November [from ben]

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-John_Slatin

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-Gregg_Vanderheiden

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-Ben_Caldwell

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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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-Becky_Gibson

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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+Bruce_Bailey

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-Bruce_Bailey

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00:32:06 [Michael_Cooper]

zakim, bye

00:32:06 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees were Sofia_Celic, Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald, Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Sean_Hayes, Becky_Gibson, Christophe_Strobbe, Tim_Boland,

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... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Roberto_Ellero, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey

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00:33:27 [Michael_Cooper]

zakim, this is wai_wcag

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ok, Michael_Cooper; that matches WAI_WCAG()3:00PM

00:33:30 [Michael_Cooper]

zakim, drop cooper

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Cooper is being disconnected

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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended

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Attendees were Sofia_Celic, Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald, Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Sean_Hayes, Becky_Gibson, Christophe_Strobbe, Tim_Boland, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, John_Slatin,

00:33:36 [Zakim]

... Andi_Snow-Weaver, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Roberto_Ellero, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bruce_Bailey

00:33:40 [Michael_Cooper]

zakim, bye

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00:33:43 [Michael_Cooper]

rrsagent, bye

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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/09-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: David to research how to provide instructions about the accessibility features (based on his survey comments) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/09-wai-wcag-irc#T21-28-47

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ACTION: Gregg to include survey comments about user contributed content in is conformance proposal [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/09-wai-wcag-irc#T21-45-05

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ACTION: David to send proposal for new wording for conformance of aggregated content to the WCAG list [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/09-wai-wcag-irc#T21-50-55

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ACTION: Gregg to create new proposal for 959 and 1152 based on survey suggestion in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20061019editorz/results [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/09-wai-wcag-irc#T22-20-53