IRC log of er on 2006-11-08
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- zakim, this will be ERT
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- ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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- meeting: ERT WG
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- chair: Shadi
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- regrets: Shane, Daniela, Jim, Chris
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Nov/0001.html
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- agenda+ re-adoption of uri:uri in WebContent class
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- agenda+ proposal for FileContent class
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- agenda+ sequences in the HTTP vocabulary
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- agenda+ additional validity level values
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- agenda+ addressing security/privacy in EARL
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- agenda+ ICRA review of EARL 1.0 Schema
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- WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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- +Shadi
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- +CarlosV
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- +Diego
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- zakim, Diego is really CarlosI
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- +CarlosI; got it
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- +CarlosV.a
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- zakim, CarlosV.a is really Johannes
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- +Johannes; got it
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- scribe: Johannes
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- scribenick: JohannesK
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "re-adoption of uri:uri in WebContent class" taken up [from shadi]
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0073.html
- 15:09:31 [JohannesK]
- saz: there's no need for uri:uri in public web content, but there are situations where the URI is not unique
- 15:10:21 [JohannesK]
- saz: so earl:WebContent should have an uri:uri additionally to a unique rdf:ID (or rdf:about)
- 15:13:40 [JohannesK]
- saz: information on how to use uri:uri and rdf:about should be in the guide
- 15:15:30 [JohannesK]
- ci: WebContent is only for World Wide Web, local file system or private web servers are not world-wide
- 15:16:22 [JohannesK]
- ci: both use cases should be handled by FileContent
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- saz: WebContent is for Web (HTTP), not necessarily World-Wide
- 15:17:05 [JohannesK]
- cv: or FTP or ...
- 15:17:56 [JohannesK]
- saz: WebContent right now is focused on HTTP (request/response stuff)
- 15:18:55 [JohannesK]
- cv: can't I use WebContent for ftp resources?
- 15:18:58 [JohannesK]
- saz: you can
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- saz: it's not just HTTP
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- saz/cv: you can use WebContent for basic FTP operations (using ftp URI)
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- 15:22:47 [JohannesK]
- cv: subclass WebContent and put uri:uri into subclass
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- cv: private stuff needs uri:uri, public stuff doesn't
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- s/cv/ci/
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- cv: rdf:about doesn't work with content negotiation
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- ci: so uri:uri must be used then
- 15:25:30 [JohannesK]
- saz: make uri:uri optional (when needed)?
- 15:25:56 [JohannesK]
- saz: used only when needed?
- 15:27:21 [JohannesK]
- ci: we need to explain the use cases when to use uri:uri and when to use rdf:about, could be tricky
- 15:27:42 [JohannesK]
- cv: don't see much difficulty in explaining
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- saz: we're talking about software developers, they are not that dumb
- 15:29:18 [shadi]
- s/they are not that dumb/they should know their way
- 15:30:33 [JohannesK]
- cv: when using http:GetRequest, uri:uri is not necessary on WebContent
- 15:31:34 [JohannesK]
- ci: still think it could be difficult, but go on
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- saz: I now think to make uri:uri mandatory on WebContent
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- jk: if used on both classes, it must be the same, that's the only requirement I see
- 15:36:15 [JohannesK]
- ACTION: saz to write a follow-up on when and how many times to use uri:uri
- 15:36:27 [JohannesK]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "proposal for FileContent class" taken up [from shadi]
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- e
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- [16:36] <JohannesK> ACTION: saz to write a follow-up on when and how many times to use uri:uri
- 15:37:16 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0072.html
- 15:39:06 [JohannesK]
- saz: filename is subproperty of uri:uri
- 15:39:47 [shadi]
- file://index.html
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- jk: I wouldn't make it a subproperty, if it's not really a URI
- 15:41:58 [JohannesK]
- AFAIK this means: the server host is index.html
- 15:44:29 [JohannesK]
- file:///index.html means: a file with the path index.html in the file root on the local host
- 15:46:23 [JohannesK]
- ci: you cannot just put file: in front of it and think it's a proper file URI
- 15:47:51 [JohannesK]
- saz: do we have a data type for file names?
- 15:49:22 [JohannesK]
- saz: we can leave it completely open (forward/backward slash, case sensitivity)
- 15:53:13 [JohannesK]
- What is the benefit of using 'file://my/path/to/index.html' instead of 'index.html'?
- 15:53:46 [JohannesK]
- or even 'my discosed index.html'?
- 15:54:04 [shadi]
- ./index.html
- 15:55:29 [JohannesK]
- jk: this has no indication of URI scheme, could be file, ftp, http, or even relative to the EARL resource containing it
- 15:55:44 [shadi]
- ./www/index.html
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- index.html
- 15:56:29 [JohannesK]
- jk: the call it file path, because it's a relative file path
- 15:56:38 [JohannesK]
- s/the/then/
- 15:57:51 [CarlosV]
- file:./www/index.html
- 15:59:51 [JohannesK]
- cv/saz: the use case is about finding files, not just labelling them
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- saz: are there issues with cv's example?
- 16:01:46 [JohannesK]
- The path is '/www.index.html'
- 16:02:00 [JohannesK]
- at least according to the Java implementation
- 16:02:36 [JohannesK]
- oops, sorry
- 16:02:58 [JohannesK]
- jk: confirmed
- 16:03:29 [CarlosV]
- file://localhost/./www/index.html
- 16:03:42 [CarlosV]
- ;-)
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- -CarlosV
- 16:04:33 [JohannesK]
- ACTION: cv to post his thoughts on file name
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- -Johannes
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- -CarlosI
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- -Shadi
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- WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Shadi, CarlosV, CarlosI, Johannes
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/08-er-minutes.html shadi
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/08-er-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: saz to write a follow-up on when and how many times to use uri:uri [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/08-er-irc#T15-36-15
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- ACTION: cv to post his thoughts on file name [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/11/08-er-irc#T16-04-33