IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-11-02
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/11/02-wai-wcag-irc
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- rrsagent, make log world
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- meeting: WAI WCAG
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- chair: Gregg_Vanderheident
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- chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- +Judy
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- +[IPcaller]
- 21:00:40 [LucaMascaro]
- Zakim, IPcaller is LucaMascaro
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- +LucaMascaro; got it
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +Sofia_Celic
- 21:00:58 [Michael_Cooper]
- zakim, call Cooper-Ottawa
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- ok, Michael_Cooper; the call is being made
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- +Cooper
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- +??P8
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- +[IPcaller]
- 21:01:57 [Makoto]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
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- +Makoto_Ueki; got it
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- +??P6
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +Tim_Boland
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- zakim, ??P6 is Ben_and_Gregg
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- +Ben_and_Gregg; got it
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 21:02:30 [Michael_Cooper]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 21:02:30 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Judy, LucaMascaro, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Cooper, ??P8, Makoto_Ueki, Ben_and_Gregg, Bengt_Farre, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey
- 21:02:57 [LucaMascaro]
- Zakim, mute me
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- LucaMascaro should now be muted
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- zakim, ??P8 is Cynthia_Shelly
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- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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- +Becky_Gibson
- 21:03:40 [David]
- scribe: David
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- RRSAgent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2006/11/02-wai-wcag-irc#T21-04-00
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 21:04:14 [ben_]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006OctDec/0067.html
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- +[IPcaller]
- 21:04:25 [Michael_Cooper]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006OctDec/0067.html
- 21:04:38 [Michael_Cooper]
- zakim, IP is Sorcha_Moore
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- sorry, Michael_Cooper, I do not recognize a party named 'IP'
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- zakim, [IP is Sorcha_Moore
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- +Sorcha_Moore; got it
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- zakim, mute Sorcha_Moore
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- Sorcha_Moore should now be muted
- 21:05:17 [Michael_Cooper]
- agenda+ Announcements, updates, questions
- 21:05:21 [ben_]
- chair+ Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 21:05:22 [Michael_Cooper]
- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Announcements, updates, questions" taken up [from Michael_Cooper]
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- +[IPcaller]
- 21:05:43 [Michael_Cooper]
- agenda+ Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 (from issue 739 on)
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- +[IPcaller.a]
- 21:05:55 [rellero__]
- Zakim, IPcaller.a is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 21:05:59 [Michael_Cooper]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Gez_Lemon
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- +Gez_Lemon; got it
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- zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
- 21:06:14 [ben_]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:06:14 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Judy, LucaMascaro (muted), David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic (muted), Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Makoto_Ueki, Ben_and_Gregg, Bengt_Farre, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey,
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- ... Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore (muted), Gez_Lemon, Roberto_Ellero (muted)
- 21:06:23 [Michael_Cooper]
- agenda+ Editor's Issues for 19 October
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- agenda+ Oct 2006 Face to Face Resolutions
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- agenda?
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- agenda+ Plan for addressing cognitive issues
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- +Katie_Haritos-Shea
- 21:08:49 [Michael_Cooper]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 (from issue 739 on) [from Michael_Cooper]
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- zakim, take up item 5
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- agendum 5. "Plan for addressing cognitive issues" taken up [from Michael_Cooper]
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- topic: how to address cognitive issues.
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- ack b
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/10/25-27_ftf-minutes#Cognitive_Discussion
- 21:16:16 [judy]
- q+
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- ack j
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- q+
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- ack judy
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- + +1.713.790.aaaa
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- zakim, +1.713 is John_Slatin
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- +John_Slatin; got it
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- +Sean_Hayes
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- +q
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- q+
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- ack l
- 21:24:54 [Michael_Cooper]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 5 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 21:24:56 [Zakim]
- 2. Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 (from issue 739 on) [from Michael_Cooper]
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 (from issue 739 on)" taken up [from Michael_Cooper]
- 21:26:11 [David]
- Topic: 739
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- q+
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- ack r
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- ack ry
- 21:28:04 [ben]
- zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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- -Judy
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- Resolution: close 739 with Ben's edits
- 21:30:00 [Michael_Cooper]
- q+ to say problem is if the media _does_ load but you still need alt
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- topic: 786
- 21:31:26 [Michael_Cooper]
- ack m
- 21:31:26 [Zakim]
- Michael_Cooper, you wanted to say problem is if the media _does_ load but you still need alt
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- q+
- 21:36:02 [Michael_Cooper]
- ack ry
- 21:38:39 [Gregg]
- ack b
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- q+
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- ack b
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- q+
- 21:41:02 [Michael_Cooper]
- q+ to say I agree with Ben, and also would like to document Gez's technique
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- q-
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- q+
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- ack g
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- ack l
- 21:43:43 [David]
- Action: Gz to write a no-ebed technique demonstration
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- s/Gz/Gez
- 21:44:30 [Michael_Cooper]
- action 1 = Gez to write a no-embed technique demonstration
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- 21:44:57 [David]
- Resolution: Accept 786 as revised
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- topic: 975
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- Resolution: accept 975 as revised
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- topic: 1160
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- resolution: accept 1160 as amended
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- ACK C
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- ACK C
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- Resolution: send 1201 back to team C
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- topic: 1321
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- topic: correction 1329
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- -Sorcha_Moore
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- +[IPcaller]
- 22:15:31 [Sorcha]
- [IPcaller] is <sorcha_moore>
- 22:15:33 [Michael_Cooper]
- zakim, [IP is Sorcha_Moore
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- +Sorcha_Moore; got it
- 22:17:39 [Sorcha]
- thank you, Michael!
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- q?
- 22:18:21 [David]
- resolution: split 1329 into 2 issues, close 1.3.6 issue, break out issue on 1.3.1 and leave it open ,
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- topic: 964
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- Resolution: leave 964 open
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- Topic: 695
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- -Tim_Boland
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- q+
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- q-
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- ack c
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- -Roberto_Ellero
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- zakim, mute Bruce
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- Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
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- -LucaMascaro
- 22:46:51 [Loretta]
- \me coming right up
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2006Aug/0003
- 22:50:38 [David]
- resolution: accept issue 695 as proposed removing the recommedation for the use of quotations marks.
- 22:55:06 [David]
- resolution: close 698 with a message pointing out that there is already a failure for this situation.
- 22:58:19 [David]
- Resolution: Accept proposed Font Scaling resolution from f2f
- 23:01:38 [Michael_Cooper]
- q+ to reopen informative sections of doc discussion
- 23:01:47 [David]
- Resolution: Accept font scaling language: if we can find proper wording, there should be at least one SC dealing with font scaling
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- If we can find proper wording, there should be a SC at least at Level 3 that deals with scaling and reflow (font and other?)
- 23:01:50 [David]
- If we can find proper wording, there should be a SC at least at Level 3 that deals with scaling and reflow (font and other?)
- 23:02:45 [Gregg]
- ack m
- 23:02:45 [Zakim]
- Michael_Cooper, you wanted to reopen informative sections of doc discussion
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- ack c
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack c
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- -Sorcha_Moore
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- -Becky_Gibson
- 23:11:37 [David]
- Resolution: If it's a SC it must be testable.
- 23:11:49 [ben]
- zakim, who's muted?
- 23:11:49 [Zakim]
- I see Sofia_Celic, Bruce_Bailey muted
- 23:12:06 [ben]
- zakim, unmute Bruce
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- Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
- 23:13:42 [David]
- Resolution: Accept f2f "Everything at L1 or L2 can be applied to all web content."
- 23:14:47 [David]
- Action: Gregg to explore recasting photosensitive issue into angle of view.
- 23:15:26 [David]
- Resolution:acept f2f "SC 1.3.4 should be folded into SC 1.3.1, with text descriptions provided as a fallback technique when a technology does not provide a mechanism to describe a relationship."
- 23:17:27 [David]
- Resolution: Proceed with developing a hybrid approach to the the "baseline" concept that includes rules for using technologies and sufficient techniques for conformance.
- 23:17:40 [David]
- s/the the/the
- 23:18:36 [David]
- ccept F@F Proposed consensus on Guideline 4.2 issues:
- 23:18:37 [David]
- Move handling of alternate versions from 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 to conformance (there is a logic flaw by keeping 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 in as success criteria; content that is suppose to pass 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 would fail all or some of the other success criteria)
- 23:18:39 [David]
- keep 4.2.2 and 4.2.4 as success criteria
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- Resolution: Accept F@F Proposed consensus on Guideline 4.2 issues:
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- Move handling of alternate versions from 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 to conformance (there is a logic flaw by keeping 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 in as success criteria; content that is suppose to pass 4.2.1 and 4.2.3 would fail all or some of the other success criteria)
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- keep 4.2.2 and 4.2.4 as success criteria
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- s/F@F/F2F
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- Resolution:Accept F2F
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- Proposed consensus on Level AAA issues:
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- AAA conformance means all applicable level 3 success criteria are met
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- Those making conformance claims can report progress towards higher level if they specify particular success criteria they have met.
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- No A+ or AA+ claim languages, only A or AA etc.
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- -Ben_and_Gregg
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- -Gez_Lemon
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- -Cooper
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- -Makoto_Ueki
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- -Bengt_Farre
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -John_Slatin
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Sean_Hayes
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- -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Judy, LucaMascaro, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Cooper, Makoto_Ueki, Tim_Boland, Ben_and_Gregg, Bengt_Farre, Bruce_Bailey, Cynthia_Shelly, Becky_Gibson,
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- ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore, Roberto_Ellero, Gez_Lemon, Katie_Haritos-Shea, +1.713.790.aaaa, John_Slatin, Sean_Hayes, [IPcaller]
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- 23:35:57 [ben]
- Present: Judy_Brewer, Luca_Mascaro, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly, Makoto_Ueki, Ben_Caldwell, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bengt_Farre, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Sorcha_Moore, Gez_Lemon, Roberto_Ellero, John_Slatin, Sean_Hayes
- 23:36:12 [ben]
- Michael? are you generating minutes or am I?
- 23:36:46 [Michael_Cooper]
- was gonna ask - I can, thought it'll be later
- 23:37:04 [Michael_Cooper]
- s/thought/though
- 23:37:11 [Michael_Cooper]
- ok
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