IRC log of ua on 2006-11-02

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18:36:34 [jallan]
zakim, this will be wai_u
18:36:34 [Zakim]
ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 24 minutes
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chair: Jim Allan
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meeting: UAWG Conference Call
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Scribe: JR
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0019.html
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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started
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+Jim_Allan
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+[IPcaller]
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+[IBM]
19:01:37 [jallan]
zakim, [IBM] is parente
19:01:37 [Zakim]
+parente; got it
19:01:40 [JR]
Zakim, [IPcaller] is really JR
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+JR; got it
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+[IBM]
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Zakim, [IBM] is really cklaws
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+cklaws; got it
19:03:15 [jallan]
zakim, [IBM] cklaws
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I don't understand '[IBM] cklaws', jallan
19:05:35 [JR]
Topic: 9.4 Restore viewport state history (P1)
19:06:19 [JR]
JA: When written made sense...but now with AJAX etc...needs some work...
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JA: e.g. AJAX updates lost
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CL: Could have similar situations with HTML forms
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JA: Had issues with that at our school
19:08:48 [parente]
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19:09:23 [JR]
JA: Same prob with streaming lie content..can't go back.
19:09:28 [JR]
lie=live
19:13:23 [JR]
JR's comments from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0010.html
19:14:13 [JR]
CL: 3 State variables have to match the last time content was modified
19:16:04 [JR]
JA: With AJAX etc. there may be lots more states in the requence...
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JA: So if constantly retreiveing hard to go back.
19:17:08 [JR]
CL: So maybe needs to be a statement added about the content as well as the state
19:19:07 [JR]
PP: What about first exclusion
19:21:16 [JR]
JR: What about AJAX Word Processor?
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All: Discussion...
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PP: Firefox has Fastback...stores entire state of page whenever you leave page...lets you return back quickly...
19:22:18 [JR]
PP: SUspect remembers location of focus.
19:23:25 [JR]
JR: An aside: Weird that content can't disable back button
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CL: Yeas same with wikis etc
19:24:10 [JR]
CL: In IE if I'm editing wiki I press back, I lose entry
19:24:54 [JR]
PP: In the background things are weird - some operations do a refresh from smae URL (page load) some do not
19:25:56 [JR]
JA: May be complicated by config setting to always get newest stuff.
19:28:52 [JR]
JR: In oS world, close gives Save dialog.
19:29:03 [JR]
JR: Don't get that in browser Back
19:29:30 [JR]
JA: 3 states do not refer to content added
19:31:41 [JR]
JR: So what's the accessibility angle...
19:32:28 [JR]
JA: Just tried in firefox to click mid-page link, followed it..
19:32:42 [JR]
JA: ANd then came back...but was at the top.
19:33:09 [JR]
JR: re access angle: don't think it is preserve content when back pushed since all people want this
19:33:26 [JR]
CL, PP: Javascript can be involved...
19:33:40 [JR]
since it can direct focus back to first link.
19:35:46 [JR]
JR: Maybe we could be more clear about types of pages...
19:36:22 [JR]
JR: 2 kinds of pages - plain page with usable URL, application page with non-reuable URL part of a process
19:37:05 [JR]
JA: All we can have it do is try - but if content overrides base behaviour, ua can't do anything.
19:38:16 [JR]
JA: We have agreement - browser has base functionalityto save the 3 states - but content can change this as can user config
19:38:24 [JR]
JR: ok
19:38:58 [JR]
JA: Also have comment with ex. 4 (If the user activates a broken link...)...
19:39:19 [JR]
JA: Thinks this is doing more
19:40:38 [JR]
JR: Agree
19:40:54 [JR]
JA: What does HPR do?
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CL: Could do this - but haven't.
19:43:01 [JR]
JA: ex. 5 is just a subset
19:43:14 [JR]
PP: None of new AJAX functions covered
19:44:12 [JR]
CL: Some of these are browser functions.
19:44:58 [JR]
PP: RPC remote procedure call?
19:46:09 [JR]
JA: PP can you send a link to support more stuff we can add to 6 to make it more representative
19:46:42 [parente]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest
19:46:57 [JR]
oops to add to 5
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PP: But question is do we want to add AJAX stuff?
19:48:09 [JR]
JA: Should we add this link to the references?
19:48:56 [JR]
Topic: 9.6 Show event handlers (P2)
19:49:50 [JR]
CL: HPR did this
19:49:54 [JR]
JA: Jaws will
19:50:00 [JR]
JA: In 7
19:51:23 [JR]
JA: WHat about this scenario - in new Firefox there is a built in form field spell checker...
19:52:10 [JR]
JA: As soon as I press SPACE it checks last word - right click does pop up of context sensitive menu.
19:52:45 [JR]
CL: But what triggered the function?
19:54:13 [JR]
JR: This is handler in browser not content
19:54:56 [JR]
JR: Javascript extensions are considered browser not content right?
19:55:59 [JR]
JR: So how does Jaws work?
19:56:15 [cklaws]
these are the input event handlers to check for: onclick, ondblclick, onmousedown, onmouseover, onmouseout, onfocus, onblur, onkeypress, onkeydown, and onkeyup
19:56:52 [JR]
CL: This is what we do in HPR
19:57:23 [JR]
JA: List automatically on element focus
19:57:54 [JR]
CL: HPR doesn't list them all automatically
19:59:33 [JR]
CL: Needed this menu to trigger things that keyboard can't usually do
20:02:11 [JR]
JA: no meeting next week
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bye
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-JR
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-cklaws
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-parente
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-Jim_Allan
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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Jim_Allan, parente, JR, cklaws
20:03:56 [jallan]
Note: no meeting 10 November or 24 November
20:04:34 [jallan]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/02-ua-minutes.html jallan
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rrsagent, set logs public
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items