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14:41:49 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS Working Group
14:42:12 <fsasaki> chair: Felix
14:42:16 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:42:19 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:42:28 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0030.html
14:42:40 <fsasaki> regrets: Andrzej, Christian, Yves
14:42:45 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
15:00:52 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
15:00:52 <Zakim> +Felix
15:02:33 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
15:02:34 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
15:02:35 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
15:04:22 <Zakim> +Diane_Stoick
15:05:27 <fsasaki> topic: namespace binding issue
15:05:51 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3319
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15:06:32 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3319#c9
15:08:30 <fsasaki> Felix: Michael proposed to copy all namespace nodes 
15:08:43 <fsasaki> Sebastian: does this preserve the prefix
15:09:00 <fsasaki> .. I have no technical objection in using xmlns - how does it affect Felix?
15:09:05 <fsasaki> Felix: not sure
15:09:18 <fsasaki> Sebastian: if Michael is right
15:09:49 <fsasaki> .. we can drop the <ns> element
15:10:24 <fsasaki> Felix: I'm not sure about external rules
15:11:34 <fsasaki> .. Michael will test this in an XSLT 1.0 implementation
15:11:40 <fsasaki> .. especially using global rules
15:13:05 <fsasaki> Sebastian: if he does not succeed, we will keep <ns>?
15:13:36 <fsasaki> Felix: yes. 
15:13:55 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/
15:14:11 <fsasaki> "The following parts of the specification are considered at risk:"
15:14:17 <fsasaki> Felix: look at this paragraph
15:15:12 <fsasaki> .. it says how we handle <ns>
15:16:01 <fsasaki> Sebastian: if you tacke the rules element and put it through e.g. an identity transformation
15:16:11 <fsasaki> .. it might decide to throw away the declarations
15:18:03 <fsasaki> Felix: that would not happen with XSLT
15:18:11 <fsasaki> Sebastian: might happen with DOM
15:18:56 <fsasaki> .. is it part of the PSVI?
15:19:33 <fsasaki> Felix: I'm sure it is part of the PSVI
15:20:19 <fsasaki> .. I think it is possible in DOM
15:20:34 <fsasaki> .. it is not possible in SAX
15:21:05 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0029.html
15:21:49 <fsasaki> Sebastian: three issues:
15:22:05 <fsasaki> .. can you do it? Is it sufficient? Does it survive XML transformation?
15:22:22 <fsasaki> Felix: with Michael, only "can you do it?" is important
15:23:17 <fsasaki> topic: CR phase
15:23:24 <fsasaki> Sebastian: how long does the CR phase last?
15:23:37 <fsasaki> Felix: we planned at least until 10 December
15:23:46 <fsasaki> .. CR has no "last day" date
15:24:39 <fsasaki> .. Michael and I will work on the at the beginning of December
15:25:04 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport
15:25:44 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
15:26:45 <fsasaki> Felix: we have to fill the implementation table
15:27:55 <fsasaki> Sebastian: Yves does not directionality and others
15:28:23 <fsasaki> Felix: I do just "useless" stuff, but comparable
15:28:31 <fsasaki> .. for all data categories
15:28:44 <fsasaki> Sebastian: you don't have to do anything useful 
15:29:37 <fsasaki> .. is the output format mandated somewhere?
15:29:43 <fsasaki> .. can whe change our minds about it?
15:29:56 <fsasaki> Felix: we can
15:30:52 <fsasaki> Sebastian: basic things like generating "output-type" is not necessary
15:32:50 <fsasaki> Sebastian: can we resolve all this until the end of the month?
15:32:58 <fsasaki> Felix: should be possible
15:33:34 <fsasaki> topic: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0027.html
15:34:46 <fsasaki> reply from Yves http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0028.html
15:34:59 <fsasaki> reply from Felix http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0029.html
15:35:44 <fsasaki> <its:locNoteRule locNoteType="description" selector="//msg/data[../notes]"
15:35:46 <fsasaki>                         locNotePointer="../notes"/>
15:36:34 <fsasaki> Sebastian: it still does not force you to have content in nodes
15:36:53 <fsasaki> .. you could write a predicate "the node has to exist and has to string length > 0"
15:37:34 <fsasaki> .. you might also ask "what happens if there are three ../notes"?
15:38:08 <fsasaki> .. the pointer could point to the root of the document or somewhere else
15:38:49 <fsasaki> Felix: the most you can do is to give an best practice advice
15:39:12 <fsasaki> Sebastian: an implementor should be sensitive what comes back after ITS processing
15:39:22 <fsasaki> Felix: no need to define error condititions?
15:39:40 <fsasaki> Sebastian: we discussed that before and decided not to have them
15:39:44 <fsasaki> Felix: I still agree
15:42:02 <fsasaki> topic: CR and after
15:42:21 <fsasaki> Felix: we might have promotion for ITS for PR
15:44:20 <fsasaki> topic: BP document
15:46:15 <fsasaki> Felix: will be a topic after CR and during the next phase 2007
15:47:32 <fsasaki> .. we might need some editing work on that next year
15:47:49 <fsasaki> topic: calls in November
15:49:12 <fsasaki> Diane, Sebastian: available through the whole of November
15:49:17 <fsasaki> Felix: out for next week
15:51:54 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
15:51:56 <Zakim> -Diane_Stoick
15:51:56 <Zakim> -Felix
15:51:57 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:51:58 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Diane_Stoick
15:52:27 <fsasaki> present: Diane, Felix, Sebastian
15:52:31 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:52:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:58:23 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
15:58:23 <RRSAgent> I see no action items