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15:58:47 <HarryH> Hey everyone, just as a warning, let it be known that I'm dialing in with a mobile phone. So when I get on the phone, make sure you can hear me just fine and tell me if otherwise.
15:58:51 <DanC> Zakim, this will be GRDDL
15:58:51 <Zakim> ok, DanC; I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:59:09 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:59:09 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
15:59:10 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-10-25T11:00-0400
15:59:12 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
15:59:13 <Zakim> agenda+ Cross-document Introduction
15:59:14 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
15:59:15 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Spec: General issues
15:59:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
15:59:18 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML
15:59:20 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:59:22 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-mt-ns]
15:59:24 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
15:59:26 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-base-param]
15:59:28 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
15:59:32 <Zakim> agenda+ Primer Document pending edits
15:59:34 <Zakim> agendum 7 added
15:59:36 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
15:59:37 <DanC> phpht. that's last week's agenda
15:59:40 <DanC> Zakim, clear agenda
15:59:46 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:00:39 <HarryH> Hmm....perhaps I didn't check in weekly-agenda.rdf.
16:00:43 <HarryH> Wait one sec.
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16:01:27 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
16:01:27 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
16:01:28 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-11-01T11:00-0400
16:01:29 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
16:01:30 <Zakim> agenda+ Cross-document Introduction
16:01:31 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
16:01:33 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Spec: General issues
16:01:34 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
16:01:35 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML
16:01:37 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
16:01:39 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-mt-ns]
16:01:41 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
16:01:43 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-base-param]
16:01:45 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
16:01:47 <Zakim> agenda+ Primer Document
16:01:49 <Zakim> agendum 7 added
16:01:51 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
16:02:03 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has now started
16:02:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:02:14 <briansuda> Zakim, the [IPcaller] is briansuda
16:02:17 <Zakim> +DanC
16:02:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'the [IPcaller] is briansuda', briansuda
16:02:21 <Zakim> + +1.919.389.aaaa
16:02:33 <DanC> Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
16:02:34 <Zakim> +briansuda; got it
16:02:41 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
16:02:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-11-01T11:00-0400" taken up
16:02:47 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see briansuda, DanC, +1.919.389.aaaa
16:02:55 <briansuda> Zakim [IPcaller] is briansuda
16:02:57 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:03:04 <DanC> Zakim, aaa is HarryH
16:03:04 <Zakim> sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
16:03:04 <HarryH> Zakim, +1.919.389.aaaa is HarryH
16:03:05 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
16:03:10 <DanC> Chair: HarryH
16:03:12 <DanC> Scribe: DanC
16:03:17 <DanC> Meeting: GRDDL WG Weekly
16:03:19 <briansuda> Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
16:03:19 <Zakim> sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
16:03:45 <DanC> Regrets: Fabien, Ben, Ian, BrianM
16:04:12 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Oct/0085.html minutes 25 Oct
16:04:18 <DanC> RESOLVED: to approve minutes 25 Oct
16:04:21 <DanC> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:21 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose HarryH
16:04:23 <HarryH> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
16:04:29 <HarryH> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:29 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
16:04:38 <HarryH> Zakim, pick a scribe
16:04:38 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:04:43 <DanC> Harry: scribe for next week?
16:04:52 <DanC> DanC: regrets for 8 Nov due to ISWC
16:05:28 <danja> briansuda, are you in over skype? It doesn't like my conference code (again)
16:05:46 <DanC> RESOLVED to cancel 8 Nov meeting
16:06:08 <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet again 15 Nov, chime to scribe
16:06:40 <DanC> agenda + out-of-band transformation information 
16:06:51 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:06:51 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Cross-document Introduction" taken up
16:07:45 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [DONE]
16:07:58 <DanC> ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [CONTINUES]
16:08:07 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:08:07 <Zakim> agendum 3. "GRDDL Spec: General issues" taken up
16:08:13 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to flesh out ways to express author information in different markup languages. [DONE]
16:08:30 <DanC> # ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [CONTINUES]
16:08:44 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec [CONTINUES]
16:09:01 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec [CONTINUES]
16:09:17 <DanC> some progress
16:09:54 <DanC> ACTION: chime to help danc with test cases on base param issue [CONTINUES]
16:10:00 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:10:00 <Zakim> agendum 4. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up
16:10:05 <chimezie> ACTION: chimezie to develop test case to demonstrate both
16:10:17 <DanC> -- continues
16:11:02 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
16:11:02 <Zakim> agendum 5. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up
16:11:27 <chimezie> ACTION: chime to help danc with test cases on base param issue [CONTINUES]
16:11:41 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:11:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see briansuda, DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:12:18 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Nov/0002.html Re: toward tests for spec#issue-mt-ns
16:13:20 <danja> staff code not being accepted, on attempt 1234
16:13:59 <danja> must have offended the VoIP elves...
16:13:59 <DanC> do you have a regular phone you can use, danja?
16:14:25 <danja> yup
16:14:31 <DanC> Zakim, passcode?
16:14:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 47335 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), DanC
16:14:40 <danja> last resort
16:14:52 <DanC> Harry reminds me there's a UK number that might be cheaper...
16:15:49 <danja> thsnks - need to disconnect to free up line
16:16:45 <briansuda> yes
16:17:24 <Zakim> + +39.058.3.aabb
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16:17:47 <danja> 64k
16:18:54 <DanC> looking in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/sq1.xml
16:19:24 <DanC> Content-Type: application/xml; qs=0.9
16:19:29 <DanC> $ HEAD http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/sq1ns
16:19:47 <Zakim> +Murray_Maloney
16:19:53 <DanC> looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/sq1.xml http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/sq1
16:21:27 <DanC> "sounds about right" say several
16:21:32 <briansuda> yes
16:21:44 <chimezie> the mime-type should be authoratative
16:22:09 <DanC> Danja: so if the mime type had been RDF, you would have gotten some triples?
16:22:36 <DanC> DanC: yes, I think so; that's sq2, in progress
16:23:27 <DanC>     <#grddl_rdf>     a :Test;
16:23:27 <DanC>          dc:title "for application/rdf+xml documents, the RDF/XML reading is a grddl result";
16:25:19 <chimezie> if the mime-type says RDF, it should be parsed as such (RDF/XML i.e.) otherwise it should check transformation attribute and namespace of the root (in the case of an RDF/XML document it has a unique namespace URI)
16:25:30 <DanC> Murray: if the application/xml document bears the RDF namespace, isn't that good enough?
16:25:34 <DanC> DanC: opinions vary
16:35:16 <DanC> Murray: this is a question of web architecture, yes?
16:35:24 <DanC> DanC: yes; the relevant TAG issue is open
16:36:57 <DanC> Chime: yes, seems application/xml with the RDF namespace is triples that the author meant
16:37:03 <DanC> Harry: yes, why would you not?
16:37:15 <DanC> DanC: consider an XSLT literal result
16:38:03 <DanC> [[ The Internet media type / MIME type for RDF/XML is "application/rdf+xml" ]] -- http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-syntax-grammar/
16:38:51 <Zakim> -briansuda
16:39:01 <chimezie> sounds like a test case is needed for the scenario where you have an rdf namespace uri with grddl:transformation attribute
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16:40:47 <briansuda_> nick briansuda
16:41:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:41:29 <briansuda> it is beiansuda
16:44:57 <DanC> POLL: does sq1ns have any RDF triples in it? i.e. does a document labelled application/xml that bears the RDF namespace have triples in it?
16:45:34 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:45:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +39.058.3.aabb, Murray_Maloney, [IPcaller]
16:45:44 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:49:42 <HarryH> Zakim, who is on the phone
16:49:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', HarryH
16:49:50 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone
16:49:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', HarryH
16:49:55 <DanC> poll: no, yes, yes, ...
16:50:28 <DanC> poll: no?, yes, yes, 
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16:51:39 <HarryH> brian can you hear me?
16:52:11 <briansuda> but i am for looking at the mimeType to determine if it is RDF
16:52:13 <DanC> poll: no, yes, yes, yes, yes
16:52:59 <DanC> Harry: I'd like a yes person to deal with the XSLT literal result element, and for a no person to elaborate in email
16:53:59 <DanC> ACTION DannyA: elaborate on issue-mt-ns, in particular RDF not labelled as application/rdf+xml
16:55:08 <DanC> Murray: let's let the TAG know we're aiming for a decision that may set precedent
16:55:30 <DanC> ACTION DanC: notifiy TAG of interaction between issue-mt-ns and TAG issues on mime types and namespaces (and copy semweb-cg)
16:56:41 <DanC> Zakim, take up item Primer
16:56:42 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Primer Document" taken up
16:56:45 <DanC> ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data [CONTINUES]
16:56:57 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to contribute hotel reviews for primer
16:57:07 <DanC> -- continues
16:57:38 <DanC> ACTION: Danny to take testing test harness. [CONTINUES]
16:58:07 <DanC> ........
16:58:12 <DanC> Topic: GRDDL Press
16:59:29 <DanC> DanC: I did 2 interviews; one resulted in a story; in internetnews.com, I think
16:59:40 <DanC> Harry: there has been a bit of blog activity
16:59:49 <Zakim> - +39.058.3.aabb
17:00:12 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to flesh out ways to express author information in different markup languages. [DONE]
17:00:24 <briansuda> I managed to contact some folks at LinkedIn Dave Sanford (http://www.linkedin.com/in/bigsanford) 
17:00:42 <DanC> interesting
17:00:42 <Zakim> -Murray_Maloney
17:00:44 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
17:00:48 <Zakim> -HarryH
17:00:52 <Zakim> -DanC
17:00:56 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
17:00:58 <Zakim> Attendees were DanC, briansuda, Chimezie_Ogbuji, HarryH, +39.058.3.aabb, Murray_Maloney, [IPcaller]
17:01:05 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
17:01:08 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:01:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
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