IRC log of tsdtf on 2006-10-31

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13:09:07 [Christophe]

zakim, calls?

13:09:07 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, Christophe.

13:10:11 [Christophe]

Christophe has changed the topic to: WAI TSD TF telecon

13:11:02 [Christophe]

zakim, what conferences?

13:11:02 [Zakim]

I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM active and no others scheduled near this time

13:13:25 [Christophe]

zakim, what conferences?

13:13:25 [Zakim]

I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM active and no others scheduled near this time

13:15:32 [Christophe]

Zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF

13:15:32 [Zakim]

ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes

13:16:34 [Christophe]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Oct/0067.html

13:16:44 [Vangelis]

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13:16:55 [Christophe]

Meeting: WAI TSD TF

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Chair: Christophe_Strobbe

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Regrets: CarlosI, Tim

13:18:29 [Christophe]

Agenda+ First review of test samples

13:18:41 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Web view of the test samples

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13:29:40 [Vangelis]

\me technique.. i mean under "technique" element

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13:31:19 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

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+Christophe_Strobbe

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+Daniela

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+ +30210820aaaa

13:32:00 [Christophe]

Zakim, +30210820aaaa is Shadi

13:32:00 [Zakim]

+Shadi; got it

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+Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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+[IPcaller]

13:34:37 [Christophe]

zakim, [IP is ChrisR

13:34:40 [Zakim]

+ChrisR; got it

13:36:20 [Christophe]

Scribe: Vangelis

13:36:34 [Vangelis]

Zakim, take up agendum 1

13:36:34 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "First review of test samples" taken up [from Christophe]

13:37:13 [Vangelis]

CS: opportunity to look samples?

13:37:27 [Vangelis]

DO: no, probs with CVS access

13:39:25 [Vangelis]

CV: for eclipse you need only to locate private key home directory

13:40:39 [Vangelis]

EV: for eclipse see preferences>Team>CVS>SSH2 Connection method

13:40:45 [Zakim]

+Cooper

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13:41:42 [Christophe]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/ctprocess.html

13:42:41 [Vangelis]

CS: discuss the test process for test samples

13:44:07 [Vangelis]

SAZ: need experience from previous task forces and bentoweb

13:44:36 [Vangelis]

SAZ: what are the critical issues

13:44:57 [Vangelis]

SAZ: WCAG good example

13:45:50 [Vangelis]

CS: experience for bentoweb: test case developers when these are done-> evaluation team for review process in several stages-

13:46:44 [Vangelis]

CS: if change needed go back to developer otherwise go to second reviewer-> accepted

13:47:20 [Michael_Cooper]

q+ to ask about meaning of "accepting" a test case in our context

13:47:49 [Vangelis]

CS: user testing : users review tests through html forms input

13:48:28 [Vangelis]

CS: automated testing: not done so far.. for colour contrast with tool for instance

13:48:51 [Vangelis]

SAZ: for task force this mean evaluating technique?

13:49:14 [Vangelis]

CS: yes, other purpose between bentoweb and TF

13:50:00 [Vangelis]

SAZ: for this task force focus on test samples and not techniques

13:53:06 [Michael_Cooper]

ack m

13:53:06 [Zakim]

Michael_Cooper, you wanted to ask about meaning of "accepting" a test case in our context

13:53:53 [Vangelis]

MC: need to have some criteria how to accept

13:55:00 [Vangelis]

CR: the WCAG group would need to have a look at them

13:55:21 [Vangelis]

MC: problem would be dependency

13:57:32 [Vangelis]

CR: maybe couple of tests in WCAG need review to make sure are correct

13:59:13 [Vangelis]

SAZ: what we need to produce accepted test samples ok by WCAG WG

14:00:23 [Vangelis]

SAZ: before formally accepted maybe both WCAg and ERT group have chance to look and send any comments

14:00:43 [Vangelis]

MC: ok, set a timeline

14:03:19 [Vangelis]

MC: WCAG pooling to surveys to accept or reject and moves on

14:04:19 [Vangelis]

MC: this tf needs a procedure

14:05:50 [Vangelis]

SAZ: what the acceptance really means? accepted for the draft technique?

14:06:53 [Vangelis]

CS: technique might change and a test could be accepted

14:07:52 [Vangelis]

MC: aggree mapping with url is the approach we need

14:09:40 [Vangelis]

SAZ: clarify that test samples cannot be more stable that techniques

14:10:29 [Vangelis]

SAZ: need specify procedures when ex a new test sample is uploaded

14:13:14 [Vangelis]

SAZ: write a proposal for criteria procedures (ex validate, check metadata...)

14:14:02 [Vangelis]

CS: I could have a try

14:15:22 [Vangelis]

ACTION: CS proposal for internal test case review process

14:17:40 [Vangelis]

SAZ: important to look procedure before looking actual test samples

14:19:01 [Vangelis]

Zakim, take up agendum 2

14:19:02 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Web view of the test samples" taken up [from Christophe]

14:21:09 [Vangelis]

SAZ: discuss the overall requirements and then with chris help could do that

14:21:42 [Vangelis]

SAZ: one audience public: maybe download test samples

14:22:05 [Vangelis]

SAZ: other: us for see what we have what do we develop...

14:22:36 [Vangelis]

SAZ: somebody want to test an evaluation tool

14:23:45 [Vangelis]

MC: every way.. by technology/ by tech feature

14:24:43 [Vangelis]

CR: dont think find organisation of WCAG script not so helpful

14:26:34 [Vangelis]

SAZ: wcag widget select certain things like level, technologies and give a view technique (wcag quick reference)

14:26:50 [Christophe]

WCAG 2.0 Quick Reference: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/

14:28:29 [Vangelis]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/complete

14:29:06 [Vangelis]

SAZ: List of Web Accessibility Evaluation Tools : might look like this

14:33:07 [Vangelis]

ACTION: SAZ and CR first prototype implementation and send to list

14:34:39 [Zakim]

-ChrisR

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-Daniela

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-Cooper

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-Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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-Shadi

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, Daniela, Shadi, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, [IPcaller], ChrisR, Cooper

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14:36:15 [Christophe]

zakim, bye

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14:36:25 [Christophe]

rrsagent, make log world

14:36:45 [Christophe]

rrsagent, make minutes

14:36:45 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-tsdtf-minutes.html Christophe

14:39:11 [Christophe]

rrsagent, bye

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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: CS proposal for internal test case review process [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-tsdtf-irc#T14-15-22

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ACTION: SAZ and CR first prototype implementation and send to list [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-tsdtf-irc#T14-33-07