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16:00:37 <TomB> RalphS, I lost my phone connection!  Re-dialing...
16:01:46 <Zakim> + +1.781.442.aaaa
16:01:57 <Zakim> +Tom_Baker.a
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16:02:18 <RalphS> zakim, aaaa is Bernard
16:02:18 <Zakim> +Bernard; got it
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16:03:12 <RalphS> zakim, drop tom_baker
16:03:25 <Zakim> +??P36
16:03:33 <berrueta> zakim, P36 is me
16:03:34 <Zakim> Tom_Baker is being disconnected
16:03:36 <Zakim> -Tom_Baker
16:03:45 <Zakim> sorry, berrueta, I do not recognize a party named 'P36'
16:03:47 <Zakim> +??P37
16:04:12 <RalphS> zakim, ??p37 is SeanB
16:04:12 <Zakim> +SeanB; got it
16:04:26 <RalphS> Meeting: SWD WG
16:04:26 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
16:04:28 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0054.html
16:04:33 <RalphS> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html
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16:05:29 <dlrubin> could someone point me to the link where the dialin instructions live for this tcon?
16:05:47 <RalphS> zakim, ??p36 is Diego
16:05:49 <Zakim> +Diego; got it
16:05:58 <berrueta> thanks, RalphS
16:06:00 <RalphS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0054.html
16:06:09 <RalphS> agenda contains dialing instructions, Daniel
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16:07:33 <seanb> If Alistair Miles hasn't yet emailed to the list, he sends his apologies. He's been in Manchester for a meeting and will be travelling back now.
16:07:47 <Zakim> +??P39
16:07:54 <RalphS> Regrets: Guus Schreiber, Antoine Isaac, Alistair
16:08:06 <RalphS> zakim, ??p39 is DanielR
16:08:06 <Zakim> +DanielR; got it
16:08:16 <dlrubin> Thanks very much. It would be nice if you put a link to the tcon details on the SWD web page (at least, I don't see it there)
16:08:34 <RalphS> noted, Daniel
16:09:15 <Zakim> +Rachel_Yager
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16:11:00 <RalphS> Scribe: Daniel
16:11:07 <RalphS> scribenick: dlrubin
16:11:32 <TomB> dlrubin: can you illustrate that please?
16:11:36 <dlrubin> Tom: explaining how to scribe
16:11:44 <TomB> ...this is an example.
16:12:07 <dlrubin> ...continuing to explain
16:12:29 <dlrubin> RalphS: need to say who scribenick is
16:13:06 <RalphS> Topic: Admin
16:13:15 <dlrubin> TomB: roll call. encourage people to do self-intros
16:13:20 <RalphS> [Topic: introduces each agenda item]
16:13:22 <dlrubin> ...write a paragraph and post to list
16:13:36 <dlrubin> ...Motion to accept minutes from oct 24
16:13:48 <dlrubin> ...Seconded by Ralphs
16:13:59 <dlrubin> ...motion passed
16:14:12 <RalphS> I added Rachel to the list of attendees
16:14:21 <dlrubin> ...two pending actions. 
16:14:31 <dlrubin> ...next tcon will be 11/7
16:15:04 <dlrubin> Elisa: As of Monday, the OMG announced ontology definition metamodel is adopted spec
16:15:24 <Elisa> http://www.omg.org/cgi-bin/doc?ptc/2006-10-11 - ODM Specification
16:15:25 <RalphS> [we should continue the incomplete actions explicitly; ala ...
16:15:33 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe 
16:15:33 <RalphS>   conventions [recorded in 
16:15:33 <RalphS>   http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:15:38 <dlrubin> RalphS: pls add to list
16:15:42 <RalphS> drop action 1
16:15:45 <RalphS> rrsagent, drop action 1
16:16:01 <dlrubin> action: Elisa to post announcement to SWD list
16:16:04 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe conventions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:16:07 <RalphS> -- continues
16:16:14 <dlrubin> Topic: cost requirements
16:16:15 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to link to chris' telecon notes from SWD homepage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:16:24 <RalphS> s/cost/SKOS/
16:17:09 <RalphS> ACTION: Alistair give pointers to deployed SKOS systems. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06]
16:17:12 <RalphS> -- continues
16:17:21 <RalphS> ACTION: Daniel to link his use case to SKOS draft [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]
16:17:26 <RalphS> scribenick: RalphS
16:17:36 <RalphS> Daniel: I've talked with a couple of the groups I mentioned last meeting
16:18:02 <RalphS> ... it's a good opportunity; there interest in contributing to the development of a standard they can use to distribute their terminologies on the Web
16:18:11 <RalphS> ... they'd use SKOS if it meets all their needs
16:18:20 <RalphS> ... they're currently using OWL
16:18:50 <RalphS> ... how should we proceed to develop this use case?
16:19:16 <RalphS> ... the WG could give them a strawman and ask for feedback
16:19:26 <RalphS> Tom: what is the current state of their terminology?
16:19:43 <RalphS> Daniel: they are currently expressing their relationships in OWL
16:20:01 <RalphS> ... one group is using Protege frames but are planning to convert this to OWL
16:20:34 <RalphS> Elisa: I have another similar opportunity; I have been asked by a group working on ISO 11179 to help them put this into OWL
16:20:51 <RalphS> ... they already have a lot of it in UML
16:21:02 <RalphS> ... and I have some tools to convert UML to OWL
16:21:26 <RalphS> ... because their work is evolving we may have the opportunity to impact it
16:21:32 <RalphS> ... Bruce Bargmeyer is my contact
16:22:32 <RalphS> Tom: ISO 11179 is pretty big; it has 6 parts
16:22:45 <RalphS> Elisa: parts 2 and 3 are relevant, part 3 is what I think is the focus
16:23:01 <RalphS> Tom: this is a very interesting opportunity
16:23:35 <RalphS> Daniel: this is connected to National Cancer Institute work and is a huge opportunity
16:24:18 <RalphS> Elisa: see XMDR www.xmdr.org and look at latest UML and OWL versions
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16:24:39 <RalphS> ... though a bit out of sync with the document text
16:24:46 <RalphS> ... they've recently sent me XMI stuff
16:25:04 <TomB> http://hpcrd.lbl.gov/SDM/XMDR/overview.html
16:25:10 <RalphS> -> http://www.xmdr.org/ eXtended MetaData Registry Project
16:25:25 <RalphS> Daniel: how much technical expertise is needed?
16:25:39 <RalphS> Elisa: XMI is an XML serialiaztion of MOF, a subset of UML
16:26:05 <RalphS> ... they've sent me both OWL and XMI; the OWL is OWL-lite
16:26:58 <RalphS> ... also, Frank Olken is now at NSF; he was also involved in 11179
16:27:13 <TomB> zakim, ack RalphS
16:27:13 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
16:27:32 <dlrubin> Link to ISO/IEC 11179:  http://metadata-standards.org/11179/
16:29:08 <TomB> RalphS: concern we might set too-high expectations re: SWD working group and 11179
16:30:26 <TomB> Daniel: We use the use cases to drive evolution of SKOS - make sure it supports needs of other communities.  Interest in 11179: is there stuff in there that should influence the evolution of SKOS?
16:30:36 <RalphS> scribenick: tomB
16:31:20 <TomB> ...CABig - NCI Cancer Bioinformatics Grid - metadata for clinical trials uses 11179 for terminologies for data-capture purposes.  Interoperability with SKOS would be great.
16:31:36 <TomB> ...Have ISO 11179 map to SKOS - make sure SKOS is compatible.
16:31:41 <dlrubin> scribnick: Daniel
16:32:02 <TomB> Elisa: Any review on SKOS compatibility would be very helpful - even informal.
16:32:13 <dlrubin> Elisa: any help in making skos compatible with iso 11179 would be good
16:32:44 <dlrubin> action: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility issue evolves
16:32:56 <dlrubin> Ralph: there is already a working draft of skos
16:33:16 <TomB> RalphS: Looking for Alistair informal presentation earlier this year...
16:33:23 <dlrubin> ...we should consider that to be the strawman
16:33:25 <TomB> ...our task is to finish the SKOS WD...
16:33:32 <TomB> ...based on feedback from 11179 and others...
16:34:27 <dlrubin> ...the reason to to skos work in this WG, it's important to have OWL expertise involved
16:34:41 <dlrubin> ...it could appear that OWL and SKOS are trying to represent similar types of relationships
16:35:10 <dlrubin> ...we want to make sure there is enough expertise to understand what OWL subclassing and SKOS broader/narrower is doing
16:35:29 <dlrubin> ...people familar with OWL would be good to be involved in setting skos reqirements
16:35:53 <dlrubin> Elisa: we are still a smal group. Will there be more OWL best practices people
16:36:04 <dlrubin> Ralph: not necessarily. We have 15 people in the WG
16:36:28 <dlrubin> ...Mike is interested
16:36:35 <dlrubin> ...we may persuade him to stay involved
16:36:46 <dlrubin> Elisa: Deb has been travelling a lot...
16:37:01 <dlrubin> ...conf call conflict with rif call
16:37:28 <dlrubin> ...there are many people in Best Practices in the rif group
16:38:29 <dlrubin> Ralph: probably can't move the call later
16:38:38 <TomB> Elisa: Conflict with RIF call - SWD could potentially have more participants involved in RIF.
16:38:55 <dlrubin> Action: Tom to discuss with Juus
16:39:02 <RalphS> scribenick: dlrubin
16:39:20 <TomB> Elisa: any day of the week at this time.  Or move up one hour.
16:39:21 <dlrubin> Elisa: any day of the week is fine, preferably after 7am.
16:39:44 <dlrubin> Daniel: any day except Tues, preferably after 7am Pacific
16:39:59 <RalphS> (elisa:7am == 7am US Pacific Time == 1500 UTC now)
16:40:00 <ryager> I prefer to stay with the current time.
16:40:04 <TomB> Daniel: same - any other day of the week.  No earlier than 7am.
16:40:14 <dlrubin> Seanb: likes this current time
16:40:17 <TomB> Sean: likes this time.  Could potentially change.
16:40:31 <dlrubin> berrueta: likes this time
16:40:35 <TomB> Bernard: rearranged this week around this time.
16:40:47 <dlrubin> Rachel: prefer the current time
16:40:50 <TomB> Rachel: prefer to stay with current.
16:41:26 <dlrubin> Topic: short-term deliverables
16:41:42 <dlrubin> TomB: anyone else able to report on RDF and XHTML tcon?
16:41:51 <dlrubin> Ralph: Ben is traveling
16:42:00 <dlrubin> ...Nothing new to report since last week
16:42:42 <dlrubin> tomb: We have finished the agenda
16:42:53 <dlrubin> ..propose we close early today
16:43:25 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Mar/0021.html rough minutes from Mandelieu informal meeting
16:43:43 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/03/03-swbp-minutes.html#item07 Alistair on SKOS, RDFS, & OWL
16:44:16 <dlrubin> TomB: meeting adjourned
16:44:17 <Zakim> -Bernard
16:44:18 <Zakim> -Rachel_Yager
16:44:19 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/03/03-swbp-minutes.html#item04 SKOS discusssion
16:44:24 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
16:44:25 <Zakim> -SeanB
16:44:35 <Zakim> -Diego
16:44:39 <RalphS> zakim, list attendees
16:44:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Tom_Baker, Ralph, +1.781.442.aaaa, Bernard, SeanB, Elisa_Kendall, Diego, DanielR, Rachel_Yager
16:45:23 <dlrubin> rrsagent, list attendees
16:45:23 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', dlrubin.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:46:30 <dlrubin> rrsagent, please draft minutes  
16:46:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html dlrubin
16:46:30 <dlrubin> rrsagent, please draft minutes  
16:46:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html dlrubin
16:46:30 <dlrubin> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:46:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html dlrubin
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16:47:08 <RalphS> rrsagent, make record public
16:49:34 <TomB> swick@w3.org
16:50:19 <RalphS> Chair: Tom
16:56:02 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html
16:58:08 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-irc#T16-16-04
17:08:23 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/
17:08:24 <TomB> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0054.html
17:09:02 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/
17:09:07 <RalphS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/
17:14:15 <dlrubin> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:14:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html dlrubin
17:16:45 <Zakim> -DanielR
17:17:33 <dlrubin> Is there a problem that the minutes still have not appeared?
17:17:47 <TomB> what do you mean? 
17:17:50 <RalphS> ?? we've been looking at http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-minutes.html
17:18:13 <dlrubin> I meant the new minutes that should be re-generated to show Tom as chair
17:18:35 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/TeleconEtiquette
17:20:05 <RalphS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/FrontPage
17:25:19 <RalphS> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg
17:28:30 <Zakim> -Ralph
17:28:31 <Zakim> -Tom_Baker.a
17:28:32 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
17:28:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Tom_Baker, Ralph, +1.781.442.aaaa, Bernard, SeanB, Elisa_Kendall, Diego, DanielR, Rachel_Yager
17:28:39 <RalphS> zakim, bye
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17:28:41 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
17:28:41 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-actions.rdf :
17:28:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elisa to post announcement to SWD list [2]
17:28:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-irc#T16-16-01
17:28:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph consider a tutorial on scribe conventions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action01] [3]
17:28:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-irc#T16-16-04
17:28:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair give pointers to deployed SKOS systems. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-swd-minutes.html#action06] [4]
17:28:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-irc#T16-17-09
17:28:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Daniel to link his use case to SKOS draft [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [5]
17:28:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-irc#T16-17-21
17:28:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Elisa to keep us posted as SKOS/iso 11179 compatibility issue evolves [6]
17:28:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-irc#T16-32-44
17:28:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Tom to discuss with Juus [7]
17:28:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/31-swd-irc#T16-38-55