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15:42:23 <raphael> raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 26-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
15:42:51 <raphael> zakim, list
15:42:51 <Zakim> I see DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM active
15:42:54 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are VB_VBWG()10:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM
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15:49:11 <pasquale> Hi Raphael, good morning
15:49:52 <raphael> Thanks for updating the Resources page ! I have added some resources too
15:50:07 <pasquale> yes ;-) thanks to you!
15:50:13 <pasquale> unfortunately today i can only irc :-(
15:53:44 <raphael> zakim, list
15:53:44 <Zakim> I see DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM active
15:53:46 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are VB_VBWG()10:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM
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15:54:04 <chalaschek> Hi Raphael, how are you
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15:54:29 <giovannit> piiiiing
15:54:43 <giovannit> conference in 5 minutes?
15:54:55 <giovannit> hi raphael :-)
15:56:42 <giovannit> well the tools wiki page has started.. its not in bad shape. it wil lbecome better as we all update it when we find a new tool
15:57:23 <giovannit> about the music use case.. its a difficult UC! :-) i am now editing to write how lame ID3 specs are.
15:57:33 <raphael> zakim, this is INC_MMSEM
15:57:33 <Zakim> ok, raphael; that matches INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
15:57:38 <giovannit> christian sends regrets
15:58:11 <raphael> Giovanni, you can already take the big old list of the MM TF
15:58:32 <OS> OS has joined #mmsem
15:58:33 <raphael> Will it not better to do DOAP file for each tool ? and generate automatically the web page ?
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15:59:05 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0053.html
15:59:21 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:59:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
15:59:40 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs public
15:59:43 <giovannit> i have pointed at your list already (image annotations)
16:00:08 <raphael> This should not point to, but replace !
16:00:17 <raphael> the old page will disappear soon :-)
16:00:28 <Zakim> +George_Anadiotis
16:00:31 <raphael> Scribe: raphael
16:00:43 <raphael> zakim, George_Anadiotis is Jacco
16:00:43 <Zakim> +Jacco; got it
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16:01:55 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan
16:01:56 <Zakim> +[UMD]
16:02:01 <Zakim> +[INRIA]
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16:02:29 <raphael> Regrets: Thomas Franz, Susanne Boll, Paola Hobson, Ioannis Pratikakis, Michael Hausenblas, Stamatia, Melli, George, Patrizia
16:02:38 <raphael> zakim, UMD is Chris
16:02:38 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
16:02:46 <raphael> zakim, Chris is chalaschek
16:02:46 <Zakim> +chalaschek; got it
16:03:00 <raphael> zakim, INRIA is Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne
16:03:00 <Zakim> +Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne; got it
16:03:01 <Zakim> +??P8
16:03:14 <raphael> zakim, ??P8 is Giovanni
16:03:14 <Zakim> +Giovanni; got it
16:03:20 <Jacco> present: Raphael, Jacco, Jeff, Chris, Giovanni
16:03:28 <raphael> zakim Giovanni is giovannit
16:03:34 <Zakim> +??P9
16:03:35 <giovannit> thanks raph
16:03:41 <giovannit> zakim, mute me
16:03:41 <Zakim> sorry, giovannit, I do not see a party named 'giovannit'
16:03:50 <Jacco> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:03:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco
16:03:57 <raphael> zakim, mute giovannit
16:03:57 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'giovannit'
16:04:02 <giovannit> zakim, giovanni is giovannit
16:04:02 <Zakim> +giovannit; got it
16:04:07 <giovannit> zakim, mute me
16:04:07 <Zakim> giovannit should now be muted
16:04:09 <raphael> zakim, ??P9 is Yannis
16:04:09 <Zakim> +Yannis; got it
16:04:48 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
16:04:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see [CWI], Jacco, Jeff_Pan, chalaschek, Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne, giovannit (muted), Yannis
16:04:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, JeffP, Jacco, OS, giovannit, chalaschek, pasquale, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
16:05:03 <raphael> zakim, [CWI] is raphael
16:05:03 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
16:05:11 <raphael> zakim, who is making noise ?
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16:05:21 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: raphael (21%), Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne (89%)
16:05:39 <giovannit> zakim,voice me
16:05:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'voice me', giovannit
16:05:39 <raphael> zakim, mute Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne
16:05:41 <Zakim> Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne should now be muted
16:05:54 <giovannit> zakim, unmute me
16:05:54 <Zakim> giovannit should no longer be muted
16:06:25 <Jacco> present+ Ovidio, Massimo, Suzanne
16:06:28 <raphael> Chair: JeffP
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16:07:57 <iavr> zakim, mute me
16:07:57 <Zakim> sorry, iavr, I do not see a party named 'iavr'
16:08:02 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
16:08:10 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
16:08:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see raphael, Jacco, Jeff_Pan, chalaschek, Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne (muted), giovannit, Yannis
16:08:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see iavr, alessio, JeffP, Jacco, OS, giovannit, chalaschek, pasquale, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
16:08:59 <Jacco> topic: admin
16:09:02 <raphael> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 12 October 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED
16:09:23 <raphael> PROPOSED next telecon 9 November 2006: ACCEPTED
16:09:38 <raphael> Topic: 2. LINKS Pages
16:10:25 <Jacco> Raphael: Vocabularies & resource wiki page start to look really good
16:10:48 <Jacco> Others: if you have additions, do not send mail to list but edit these wiki pages
16:11:07 <Jacco> Raphael: what about the tools pages?
16:11:24 <Jacco> Giovanni, I've started working on it
16:11:54 <Jacco> Used the old SWBPD page and added audio, video stuff
16:12:58 <Jacco> Giovanni: I'm not sure DOAP files have added value...
16:13:18 <raphael> Use: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard
16:13:28 <Jacco> Giovanni: not sure how to generate html file from RDF
16:13:45 <Jacco> Raphael: see link above for DOAP to HTML
16:15:26 <giovannit> proposal: an informal meeting at ISWC?
16:15:30 <giovannit> "informal" ?
16:15:38 <raphael> PROPOSED next telecon 16 November 2006, and next one the 23rd November 
16:16:16 <raphael> ACCEPTED
16:16:31 <OS> Raphael, for us the 23rd is a problem
16:16:36 <Jacco> ACTION: raphael to add the NewsML entry on the vocabularies wiki page: DONE
16:18:11 <Jacco> ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page: DONE
16:18:21 <Jacco> ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page: DONE
16:18:33 <Jacco> ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page: DONE
16:19:00 <Jacco> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:19:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco
16:20:09 <raphael> These actions are rather continuously pending until the end of this XG
16:21:25 <Jacco> Giovanni: what about an informal meeting at ISWC?
16:21:50 <raphael> ACTION: Jeff to arrange an informal F2F of the XG
16:22:49 <Jacco> ACTION: Paul, Melli to do their wiki page: CONTINUED
16:23:03 <raphael> Topic: 3. XG UPDATES
16:23:08 <Jacco> ACTION: ACTION: Thierry to do his wiki page: DONE
16:23:20 <raphael> Image Annotation on the Semantic Web
16:23:44 <Jacco> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation": CONTINUED
16:24:05 <raphael> I'm still working on the formatting issues
16:24:33 <Jacco> jeff: are we still using the swbpd website?
16:24:41 <Jacco> raphael: that should be changed too
16:25:00 <raphael> Use cases on Interoperability Problems:
16:25:03 <Jacco> topic: 3.1 Music Use Case
16:25:44 <Jacco> raphael: main issue for this teleconf is to assign reviewers to each use case
16:27:05 <Jacco> Giovanni: I asked my reviewers to wait a while
16:27:42 <raphael> Giovanni: my mind was to build a complete SW music application
16:27:58 <Jacco> I've looked at ID3 version 1, version 2 seems like a mess 
16:28:01 <raphael> ... now I have understood that we should focus on integrating musical vocabularies
16:28:26 <raphael> Turn ID3 into RDF ?
16:28:42 <raphael> but the values are still not controlled, a string and not a URI
16:28:50 <Jacco> defining the semantics of the ID3 tags is easy, the values will be difficult
16:29:50 <Jacco> some ID3 fields allow the use of controlled vocabularies
16:30:20 <Jacco> giovanni: yes, you can, but what about existing metadata that doesn't
16:31:32 <raphael> giovanni: call for more volunteers in this use case
16:31:45 <Jacco> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 26-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
16:32:01 <Jacco> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:32:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco
16:32:46 <raphael> Scribe: Jacco, Raphael
16:34:19 <Jacco> Giovanni: we need to find a balance between converting everything to RDF and have no RDF at all
16:34:42 <Jacco> Raphael: exactly, and the use case need to show that balance
16:35:07 <Jacco> action: Jacco to review music use case
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16:35:43 <Jacco> action: Raphael to ask UPF to review music use case
16:35:50 <raphael> Topic: 3.2 News Use case
16:36:11 <giovannit> zakim, mute me
16:36:11 <Zakim> giovannit should now be muted
16:36:25 <Jacco> Raphael: Thierry and Chris are also editing this use case now
16:36:42 <Jacco> We will have more now that IPTC members have become members too
16:37:20 <Jacco> We have presented a use case and shown how it can be represented in NewsML and a boradcast format
16:37:45 <Jacco> and show how this can be better represented in OWL, with example DL reasoning
16:38:04 <JeffP> http://infolab.northwestern.edu/project.asp?id=40
16:39:08 <Jacco> Jeff: what about News At Seven project, see link above?
16:39:32 <Jacco> Raphael: we mentioned it in the wiki page
16:40:22 <Jacco> anyone on IRC that likes to review the news use case?
16:40:45 <Jacco> action: Jeff to review use case
16:41:11 <giovannit> zakim, unmute me
16:41:11 <Zakim> giovannit should no longer be muted
16:41:22 <OS> which one?
16:41:35 <JeffP> the News 
16:41:38 <giovannit> zakim,mute me
16:41:38 <Zakim> giovannit should now be muted
16:41:51 <OS> we are more interested in the MPEG-7 one
16:41:59 <Jacco> topic: 3.3 Medical use case
16:42:16 <Jacco> Melli is not here...
16:42:20 <OS> Zakim, unmute me
16:42:21 <Zakim> sorry, OS, I do not see a party named 'OS'
16:42:23 <raphael> Topic: 3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case
16:42:43 <Jacco> present+ Yiannis
16:42:57 <raphael> zakim, unmute Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne
16:42:57 <Zakim> Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne should no longer be muted
16:43:52 <Jacco> Raphael: I provided comments already, it seems to be a mature use case
16:44:09 <Jacco> action: Suzanne to review MPEG7 use case by next teleconf
16:44:28 <Jacco> topic: 3.5 Photo Use case: (Susanne)
16:44:35 <Jacco> Suzanne Boll is not here
16:44:45 <Jacco> topic: 3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis)
16:45:03 <Jacco> Ioannis is not here, Raphael sent in comment by the mail list today
16:45:22 <Jacco> topic: 3.7 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Patrizia, Ovidio)
16:45:52 <Jacco> Massimo: thanks for the comments Raphael
16:46:33 <raphael> I proposed a possible collaboration with Melli
16:47:17 <Jacco> Could even become a single use case?
16:47:31 <Jacco> topic: 3.8 Tagging Use case: (George, Susanne, Thomas)
16:47:54 <Jacco> George is not here but sent a status update to the list
16:48:16 <Jacco> Jeff: should we have a key aspect the reviewers of all use cases should focus on?
16:48:27 <Jacco> s/should/do
16:49:38 <giovannit> zakim,unmute me
16:49:38 <Zakim> giovannit should no longer be muted
16:49:45 <Jacco> Like identify common problems or interoperability issues across use cases
16:49:58 <Jacco> We need to be able to draw some conclusions at the end
16:50:31 <Jacco> having these issues explcicit would make the life of use case authors and reviewers easier
16:51:41 <Jacco> giovanni: one could review how much effort the use case requires and how realistic it is
16:52:27 <Jacco> ... and how existing "legacy" metadata fits into the scenario
16:52:38 <Jacco> Jeff: we could start discussing this on the mailing list
16:52:59 <Jacco> Raphael: yes, but Vassilis needs to take the lead in this
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16:53:18 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/ICANN2006/Overview.html#(11)
16:53:35 <Jacco> action: Vassilis to lead discussion on organizing common aspects of all use cases
16:54:13 <raphael> Topic: 4. Future Metings
16:54:25 <Jacco> s/Metings/Meetings
16:54:53 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39139/MMSEM-FTF02/results
16:55:02 <Jacco> action: Jacco, CNR, others to fill in the f2f form
16:55:23 <Jacco> Giovanni: I cannot make the f2f
16:56:03 <Jacco> Jacco: I like to attend via teleconf too
16:56:28 <Jacco> Yannis: there are two days, Friday there is a room at the SAMT venue
16:56:36 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael to send the details of the F2F
16:56:56 <raphael> Meeting Venue
16:57:22 <raphael> Friday: SAMT conference hotel, http://www.divanis.com/acropolis/default-en.htm
16:57:29 <raphael> Saturday: NTUA campus
16:57:30 <Jacco> There will be wireless connection at the conf hotel
16:57:50 <raphael> Book your flight tickets and hotel now, since the Divanis hotel will be full
16:57:50 <Jacco> On Saturday their will be a room at the campus
16:59:10 <Jacco> Yannis: there is a special rate for conf. participants
16:59:22 <raphael> there is a reduced price of 100 euros, single or double room precising SAMT
16:59:23 <Jacco> see samt website
16:59:33 <raphael> before November 6th for the Hotel registration
16:59:46 <Jacco> s/6th/5th
17:00:03 <Jacco> topic: 5 AOB
17:00:26 <Jacco> none
17:00:38 <giovannit> bye bye
17:00:41 <Zakim> -chalaschek
17:00:44 <Zakim> -raphael
17:00:45 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan
17:00:48 <Zakim> -Jacco
17:00:50 <Zakim> -Yannis
17:00:53 <Zakim> -giovannit
17:00:55 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
17:00:56 <Zakim> Attendees were Jacco, Jeff_Pan, chalaschek, Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne, giovannit, Yannis, raphael
17:01:07 <Jacco> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:01:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco
17:02:24 <Jacco> Scribe: Raphael, Jacco 
17:02:27 <Jacco> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:02:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco