IRC log of mmsem on 2006-10-26
Timestamps are in UTC.
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-irc
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- raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 26-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
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- zakim, list
- 15:42:51 [Zakim]
- I see DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM active
- 15:42:54 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are VB_VBWG()10:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM
- 15:48:45 [pasquale]
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- Hi Raphael, good morning
- 15:49:52 [raphael]
- Thanks for updating the Resources page ! I have added some resources too
- 15:50:07 [pasquale]
- yes ;-) thanks to you!
- 15:50:13 [pasquale]
- unfortunately today i can only irc :-(
- 15:53:44 [raphael]
- zakim, list
- 15:53:44 [Zakim]
- I see DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM active
- 15:53:46 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are VB_VBWG()10:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM
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- Hi Raphael, how are you
- 15:54:25 [giovannit]
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- piiiiing
- 15:54:43 [giovannit]
- conference in 5 minutes?
- 15:54:55 [giovannit]
- hi raphael :-)
- 15:56:42 [giovannit]
- well the tools wiki page has started.. its not in bad shape. it wil lbecome better as we all update it when we find a new tool
- 15:57:23 [giovannit]
- about the music use case.. its a difficult UC! :-) i am now editing to write how lame ID3 specs are.
- 15:57:33 [raphael]
- zakim, this is INC_MMSEM
- 15:57:33 [Zakim]
- ok, raphael; that matches INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
- 15:57:38 [giovannit]
- christian sends regrets
- 15:58:11 [raphael]
- Giovanni, you can already take the big old list of the MM TF
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- Will it not better to do DOAP file for each tool ? and generate automatically the web page ?
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0053.html
- 15:59:21 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 15:59:40 [raphael]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 15:59:43 [giovannit]
- i have pointed at your list already (image annotations)
- 16:00:08 [raphael]
- This should not point to, but replace !
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- the old page will disappear soon :-)
- 16:00:28 [Zakim]
- +George_Anadiotis
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- Scribe: raphael
- 16:00:43 [raphael]
- zakim, George_Anadiotis is Jacco
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- +Jacco; got it
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- +Jeff_Pan
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- +[UMD]
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- +[INRIA]
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- Regrets: Thomas Franz, Susanne Boll, Paola Hobson, Ioannis Pratikakis, Michael Hausenblas, Stamatia, Melli, George, Patrizia
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- zakim, UMD is Chris
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- +Chris; got it
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- zakim, Chris is chalaschek
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- +chalaschek; got it
- 16:03:00 [raphael]
- zakim, INRIA is Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne
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- +Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne; got it
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- +??P8
- 16:03:14 [raphael]
- zakim, ??P8 is Giovanni
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- +Giovanni; got it
- 16:03:20 [Jacco]
- present: Raphael, Jacco, Jeff, Chris, Giovanni
- 16:03:28 [raphael]
- zakim Giovanni is giovannit
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- +??P9
- 16:03:35 [giovannit]
- thanks raph
- 16:03:41 [giovannit]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:03:41 [Zakim]
- sorry, giovannit, I do not see a party named 'giovannit'
- 16:03:50 [Jacco]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco
- 16:03:57 [raphael]
- zakim, mute giovannit
- 16:03:57 [Zakim]
- sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'giovannit'
- 16:04:02 [giovannit]
- zakim, giovanni is giovannit
- 16:04:02 [Zakim]
- +giovannit; got it
- 16:04:07 [giovannit]
- zakim, mute me
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- giovannit should now be muted
- 16:04:09 [raphael]
- zakim, ??P9 is Yannis
- 16:04:09 [Zakim]
- +Yannis; got it
- 16:04:48 [raphael]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 16:04:48 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [CWI], Jacco, Jeff_Pan, chalaschek, Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne, giovannit (muted), Yannis
- 16:04:50 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see alessio, JeffP, Jacco, OS, giovannit, chalaschek, pasquale, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
- 16:05:03 [raphael]
- zakim, [CWI] is raphael
- 16:05:03 [Zakim]
- +raphael; got it
- 16:05:11 [raphael]
- zakim, who is making noise ?
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- 16:05:21 [Zakim]
- raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: raphael (21%), Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne (89%)
- 16:05:39 [giovannit]
- zakim,voice me
- 16:05:39 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'voice me', giovannit
- 16:05:39 [raphael]
- zakim, mute Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne
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- Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne should now be muted
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- zakim, unmute me
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- giovannit should no longer be muted
- 16:06:25 [Jacco]
- present+ Ovidio, Massimo, Suzanne
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- Chair: JeffP
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- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, iavr, I do not see a party named 'iavr'
- 16:08:02 [raphael]
- Topic: 1. ADMIN
- 16:08:10 [raphael]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 16:08:10 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see raphael, Jacco, Jeff_Pan, chalaschek, Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne (muted), giovannit, Yannis
- 16:08:13 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see iavr, alessio, JeffP, Jacco, OS, giovannit, chalaschek, pasquale, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
- 16:08:59 [Jacco]
- topic: admin
- 16:09:02 [raphael]
- PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 12 October 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED
- 16:09:23 [raphael]
- PROPOSED next telecon 9 November 2006: ACCEPTED
- 16:09:38 [raphael]
- Topic: 2. LINKS Pages
- 16:10:25 [Jacco]
- Raphael: Vocabularies & resource wiki page start to look really good
- 16:10:48 [Jacco]
- Others: if you have additions, do not send mail to list but edit these wiki pages
- 16:11:07 [Jacco]
- Raphael: what about the tools pages?
- 16:11:24 [Jacco]
- Giovanni, I've started working on it
- 16:11:54 [Jacco]
- Used the old SWBPD page and added audio, video stuff
- 16:12:58 [Jacco]
- Giovanni: I'm not sure DOAP files have added value...
- 16:13:18 [raphael]
- Use: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard
- 16:13:28 [Jacco]
- Giovanni: not sure how to generate html file from RDF
- 16:13:45 [Jacco]
- Raphael: see link above for DOAP to HTML
- 16:15:26 [giovannit]
- proposal: an informal meeting at ISWC?
- 16:15:30 [giovannit]
- "informal" ?
- 16:15:38 [raphael]
- PROPOSED next telecon 16 November 2006, and next one the 23rd November
- 16:16:16 [raphael]
- ACCEPTED
- 16:16:31 [OS]
- Raphael, for us the 23rd is a problem
- 16:16:36 [Jacco]
- ACTION: raphael to add the NewsML entry on the vocabularies wiki page: DONE
- 16:18:11 [Jacco]
- ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources page: DONE
- 16:18:21 [Jacco]
- ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page: DONE
- 16:18:33 [Jacco]
- ACTION: Giovanni and Christian to maintain the Tools page: DONE
- 16:19:00 [Jacco]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 16:19:00 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco
- 16:20:09 [raphael]
- These actions are rather continuously pending until the end of this XG
- 16:21:25 [Jacco]
- Giovanni: what about an informal meeting at ISWC?
- 16:21:50 [raphael]
- ACTION: Jeff to arrange an informal F2F of the XG
- 16:22:49 [Jacco]
- ACTION: Paul, Melli to do their wiki page: CONTINUED
- 16:23:03 [raphael]
- Topic: 3. XG UPDATES
- 16:23:08 [Jacco]
- ACTION: ACTION: Thierry to do his wiki page: DONE
- 16:23:20 [raphael]
- Image Annotation on the Semantic Web
- 16:23:44 [Jacco]
- ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation": CONTINUED
- 16:24:05 [raphael]
- I'm still working on the formatting issues
- 16:24:33 [Jacco]
- jeff: are we still using the swbpd website?
- 16:24:41 [Jacco]
- raphael: that should be changed too
- 16:25:00 [raphael]
- Use cases on Interoperability Problems:
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- topic: 3.1 Music Use Case
- 16:25:44 [Jacco]
- raphael: main issue for this teleconf is to assign reviewers to each use case
- 16:27:05 [Jacco]
- Giovanni: I asked my reviewers to wait a while
- 16:27:42 [raphael]
- Giovanni: my mind was to build a complete SW music application
- 16:27:58 [Jacco]
- I've looked at ID3 version 1, version 2 seems like a mess
- 16:28:01 [raphael]
- ... now I have understood that we should focus on integrating musical vocabularies
- 16:28:26 [raphael]
- Turn ID3 into RDF ?
- 16:28:42 [raphael]
- but the values are still not controlled, a string and not a URI
- 16:28:50 [Jacco]
- defining the semantics of the ID3 tags is easy, the values will be difficult
- 16:29:50 [Jacco]
- some ID3 fields allow the use of controlled vocabularies
- 16:30:20 [Jacco]
- giovanni: yes, you can, but what about existing metadata that doesn't
- 16:31:32 [raphael]
- giovanni: call for more volunteers in this use case
- 16:31:45 [Jacco]
- Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 26-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
- 16:32:01 [Jacco]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 16:32:01 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco
- 16:32:46 [raphael]
- Scribe: Jacco, Raphael
- 16:34:19 [Jacco]
- Giovanni: we need to find a balance between converting everything to RDF and have no RDF at all
- 16:34:42 [Jacco]
- Raphael: exactly, and the use case need to show that balance
- 16:35:07 [Jacco]
- action: Jacco to review music use case
- 16:35:36 [alessio]
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- 16:35:43 [Jacco]
- action: Raphael to ask UPF to review music use case
- 16:35:50 [raphael]
- Topic: 3.2 News Use case
- 16:36:11 [giovannit]
- zakim, mute me
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- giovannit should now be muted
- 16:36:25 [Jacco]
- Raphael: Thierry and Chris are also editing this use case now
- 16:36:42 [Jacco]
- We will have more now that IPTC members have become members too
- 16:37:20 [Jacco]
- We have presented a use case and shown how it can be represented in NewsML and a boradcast format
- 16:37:45 [Jacco]
- and show how this can be better represented in OWL, with example DL reasoning
- 16:38:04 [JeffP]
- http://infolab.northwestern.edu/project.asp?id=40
- 16:39:08 [Jacco]
- Jeff: what about News At Seven project, see link above?
- 16:39:32 [Jacco]
- Raphael: we mentioned it in the wiki page
- 16:40:22 [Jacco]
- anyone on IRC that likes to review the news use case?
- 16:40:45 [Jacco]
- action: Jeff to review use case
- 16:41:11 [giovannit]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:41:11 [Zakim]
- giovannit should no longer be muted
- 16:41:22 [OS]
- which one?
- 16:41:35 [JeffP]
- the News
- 16:41:38 [giovannit]
- zakim,mute me
- 16:41:38 [Zakim]
- giovannit should now be muted
- 16:41:51 [OS]
- we are more interested in the MPEG-7 one
- 16:41:59 [Jacco]
- topic: 3.3 Medical use case
- 16:42:16 [Jacco]
- Melli is not here...
- 16:42:20 [OS]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 16:42:21 [Zakim]
- sorry, OS, I do not see a party named 'OS'
- 16:42:23 [raphael]
- Topic: 3.4 MPEG-7 metadata interoperability Use case
- 16:42:43 [Jacco]
- present+ Yiannis
- 16:42:57 [raphael]
- zakim, unmute Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne
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- Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne should no longer be muted
- 16:43:52 [Jacco]
- Raphael: I provided comments already, it seems to be a mature use case
- 16:44:09 [Jacco]
- action: Suzanne to review MPEG7 use case by next teleconf
- 16:44:28 [Jacco]
- topic: 3.5 Photo Use case: (Susanne)
- 16:44:35 [Jacco]
- Suzanne Boll is not here
- 16:44:45 [Jacco]
- topic: 3.6 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis)
- 16:45:03 [Jacco]
- Ioannis is not here, Raphael sent in comment by the mail list today
- 16:45:22 [Jacco]
- topic: 3.7 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Patrizia, Ovidio)
- 16:45:52 [Jacco]
- Massimo: thanks for the comments Raphael
- 16:46:33 [raphael]
- I proposed a possible collaboration with Melli
- 16:47:17 [Jacco]
- Could even become a single use case?
- 16:47:31 [Jacco]
- topic: 3.8 Tagging Use case: (George, Susanne, Thomas)
- 16:47:54 [Jacco]
- George is not here but sent a status update to the list
- 16:48:16 [Jacco]
- Jeff: should we have a key aspect the reviewers of all use cases should focus on?
- 16:48:27 [Jacco]
- s/should/do
- 16:49:38 [giovannit]
- zakim,unmute me
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- giovannit should no longer be muted
- 16:49:45 [Jacco]
- Like identify common problems or interoperability issues across use cases
- 16:49:58 [Jacco]
- We need to be able to draw some conclusions at the end
- 16:50:31 [Jacco]
- having these issues explcicit would make the life of use case authors and reviewers easier
- 16:51:41 [Jacco]
- giovanni: one could review how much effort the use case requires and how realistic it is
- 16:52:27 [Jacco]
- ... and how existing "legacy" metadata fits into the scenario
- 16:52:38 [Jacco]
- Jeff: we could start discussing this on the mailing list
- 16:52:59 [Jacco]
- Raphael: yes, but Vassilis needs to take the lead in this
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- 16:53:18 [JeffP]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/ICANN2006/Overview.html#(11)
- 16:53:35 [Jacco]
- action: Vassilis to lead discussion on organizing common aspects of all use cases
- 16:54:13 [raphael]
- Topic: 4. Future Metings
- 16:54:25 [Jacco]
- s/Metings/Meetings
- 16:54:53 [JeffP]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39139/MMSEM-FTF02/results
- 16:55:02 [Jacco]
- action: Jacco, CNR, others to fill in the f2f form
- 16:55:23 [Jacco]
- Giovanni: I cannot make the f2f
- 16:56:03 [Jacco]
- Jacco: I like to attend via teleconf too
- 16:56:28 [Jacco]
- Yannis: there are two days, Friday there is a room at the SAMT venue
- 16:56:36 [raphael]
- ACTION: Raphael to send the details of the F2F
- 16:56:56 [raphael]
- Meeting Venue
- 16:57:22 [raphael]
- Friday: SAMT conference hotel, http://www.divanis.com/acropolis/default-en.htm
- 16:57:29 [raphael]
- Saturday: NTUA campus
- 16:57:30 [Jacco]
- There will be wireless connection at the conf hotel
- 16:57:50 [raphael]
- Book your flight tickets and hotel now, since the Divanis hotel will be full
- 16:57:50 [Jacco]
- On Saturday their will be a room at the campus
- 16:59:10 [Jacco]
- Yannis: there is a special rate for conf. participants
- 16:59:22 [raphael]
- there is a reduced price of 100 euros, single or double room precising SAMT
- 16:59:23 [Jacco]
- see samt website
- 16:59:33 [raphael]
- before November 6th for the Hotel registration
- 16:59:46 [Jacco]
- s/6th/5th
- 17:00:03 [Jacco]
- topic: 5 AOB
- 17:00:26 [Jacco]
- none
- 17:00:38 [giovannit]
- bye bye
- 17:00:41 [Zakim]
- -chalaschek
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- -raphael
- 17:00:45 [Zakim]
- -Jeff_Pan
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- -Jacco
- 17:00:50 [Zakim]
- -Yannis
- 17:00:53 [Zakim]
- -giovannit
- 17:00:55 [Zakim]
- INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
- 17:00:56 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Jacco, Jeff_Pan, chalaschek, Ovidio_Massimo_Suzanne, giovannit, Yannis, raphael
- 17:01:07 [Jacco]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:01:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco
- 17:02:24 [Jacco]
- Scribe: Raphael, Jacco
- 17:02:27 [Jacco]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:02:27 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/26-mmsem-minutes.html Jacco