IRC log of i18nits on 2006-10-25

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13:44:08 [YvesS]

zakim, this will be I18N_TS

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ok, YvesS; I see I18N_TS()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes

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Chair: YvesS

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0023.html

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rrsagent, make log public

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Regrets: Sebastian, Andrzej

13:55:23 [YvesS]

Hi felix. FYI: I chanmged the ITS home page to add a link to the test suite and to update the face-to-face meetings area.

13:56:02 [fsasaki]

Hi Yves, many thanks

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+YvesS

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zakim, dial felix-home

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ok, fsasaki; the call is being made

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+Felix

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Good Evening, Felix

14:02:32 [YvesS]

Hi Goutam, good afternoon.

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+Christian_Lieske

14:02:42 [GoutamSaha]

Good Morning, Yves

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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topic: action items

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action: All to try to compile a list of work item for the new charter

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Yves: Felix discussed this with Philippe and Richard

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.. the idea now is to extend the charter for a year

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.. is it already decided?

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Felix: not decided, but very likely

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.. we would continue the current work items

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.. and start no new ones

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-Christian_Lieske

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Christian: fine with me as well

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action: Christian to come up with paragraph and answer to Felix w/r desciption of the compatibility test format (DONE)

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Christian: is this still relevant? Could we still modify the implementation report

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During the CR phase, the WG will conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations

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and ITS Processing Expectations. With regard to the latter, the WG will compare the results

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(given in the format mentioned above) of the implementations of Conformance Type 2.

14:07:10 [YvesS]

During the CR phase, the WG will conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations

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and ITS Processing Expectations. With regard to the latter, the WG will compare the results

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(given in the format mentioned above) of the implementations of Conformance Type 2.

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During the CR phase, the WG will conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations

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and ITS Processing Expectations. With regard to the latter, the WG will compare the results

14:07:16 [fsasaki]

Yves: I pasted above Christians proposal in IRC

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(given in the format mentioned above) of the implementations of Conformance Type 2.

14:07:27 [chriLi]

I have drafted an alternative text and send it to Yves

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current text is at http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html

14:10:08 [chriLi]

I just sent the alternative text to the public list

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discussion on the text proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html

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will be continued later (see below)

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action: Yves to setup teleconf with Tony (DONE)

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Yves: XLIFF people understood that we can't do much work before we get to CR

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.. we may get some implementation from them, I don't know how long it will take

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.. at this point it does not need to be listed as an implementation

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.. XLIFF people also produce guidelines saying how formats should be translated into XLIFF

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.. they are thinking of using ITS in these guidelines

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.. using ITS inside XLIFF was discussed as well

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.. there is nothing that prevents us doing that today

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Felix: should we produce for the BP document a section "ITS + XLIFF"?

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Yves: yes, good point.

14:23:34 [clieske]

keep in mind that we have two types of relationship between ITS and XLIFF

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.. they will mention all activities on their next call and f2f

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relationship 1: ITS as bridgehead for producing XLIFF

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relationship 2: ITS within (or as a rules file) for XLIFF

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Felix: should W3C / me do s.t. about this topic?

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Yves: Christian and Andrzej are both in the XLIFF TC, that should be enough

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topic: Transition Request to CR made

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0022.html

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Felix: mail from Richard "Typo in 6.2.2"

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.. I will fix it

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Yves: we got private feedback from Jirka

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.. should we change that now?

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Aside on relationship ITS/XLIFF: I am the XLIFF TC liason person to the W3C

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Felix: not good to change s.t. now, since we sent the CR mail (except typos). We will change that later

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.. schematron is also informative, no need to implement Jirkas comments now

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Yves: on CR preparation: I hope we don't have to get back to WD

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.. I don't think our changes produce a need to go back

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Yves: I am also worried about participation

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Felix: is no problem now, I think, but we need to make this clear after the charter extension

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topic: test suite

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yves: two aspects:

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.. test suite implementation during CR, and editing

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Felix: I will edit until the end of this week, after that , somebody else needs to edit, otherwise the document will not be changed until December

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Yves: on the test suite

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.. my mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0022.html

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/expected/EX-locNote-element-1-result.xml

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.. what information would be need in the output?

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+Claus

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.. for example, the implementation might make no difference whether localization information is produced via a reference or an attribute with the text

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Felix: my proposal:

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<output its:locNoteRef="someReference"/>

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<output its:locNote="Some loc note"/>

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Yves: how does this work with "pointer" attributes?

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.. from a "real world" application , you don't want to know the pointer attribute

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.. I would not be able to produce the pointer information in my output

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topic: during November

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Yves: I will be away. You should built the test suite and do implementation work

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.. we need to go through feedback we get, like the one from Jirka, and fix things in the spec

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.. and we need to do the markup implementation

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Felix: I can do the markup implementation

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.. should we have regular calls?

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Christian: yes, but I have to miss two of them

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Felix: let's have a regular call, we might use it for implementation discussion

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topic: back to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html

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Yves: Felix said that "the WG will conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations" is not part of the test suite

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.. so we should not mention ITS Markup Declarations in this section

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html

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Christian: fine with taking "ITS Markup Declarations" out of my proposal

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Felix: fine by me, I will make that change after Monday (the CR call)

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action: Felix to adopt http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html with todays discussion after the CR call

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topic: other business

14:59:06 [fsasaki]

some outreach material at http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/10/how_i_explained_its_to_my_chil.html

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Christian: I created "how to explain ITS to my boss"

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.. if you have other material, please tell me if you have other stuff

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.. will be useful for the tekom

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topic: next meeting - time zone change

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Yves: don't forget

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-Felix

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-YvesS

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-Claus

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were YvesS, Felix, Christian_Lieske, Claus

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present: Christian, Felix, Yves

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: All to try to compile a list of work item for the new charter [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc#T14-03-39

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ACTION: Christian to come up with paragraph and answer to Felix w/r desciption of the compatibility test format (DONE) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc#T14-06-16

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ACTION: Yves to setup teleconf with Tony (DONE) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc#T14-19-17

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ACTION: Felix to adopt http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html with todays discussion after the CR call [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc#T14-58-04

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