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14:58:48 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
14:58:48 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
14:58:49 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-10-25T11:00-0400
14:58:52 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
14:58:54 <Zakim> agenda+ Cross-document Introduction
14:58:56 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
14:58:57 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Spec: General issues
14:58:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
14:58:59 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML
14:59:03 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
14:59:05 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-mt-ns]
14:59:07 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
14:59:09 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-base-param]
14:59:11 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
14:59:13 <Zakim> agenda+ Primer Document pending edits
14:59:15 <Zakim> agendum 7 added
14:59:17 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
15:00:41 <DanC> Zakim, this is grddl
15:00:41 <Zakim> DanC, I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be grddl".
15:00:46 <DanC> Zakim, this will be grddl
15:00:46 <Zakim> ok, DanC; I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:58 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has now started
15:01:01 <Zakim> +DanC
15:01:11 <Zakim> +??P12
15:01:24 <DanC> Zakim, ??P12 is HarryH
15:01:25 <HarryH> Zakim, ??P12 is Harry
15:01:25 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
15:01:26 <Zakim> I already had ??P12 as HarryH, HarryH
15:02:31 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:02:43 <Zakim> +Murray_Maloney
15:02:47 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
15:02:47 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-10-25T11:00-0400" taken up
15:03:28 <DanC> Regrets: BenA, IanD, BrianS
15:03:30 <DanC> at least partia
15:03:32 <DanC> partial
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15:05:40 <HarryH> Zakim, who is on the phone
15:05:42 <DanC> PROPOSED: to meet again 1 Nov 11aET, 16:00-17:30Z
15:05:48 <HarryH> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', HarryH
15:05:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney
15:05:58 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney
15:06:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:06:22 <briansuda> Zakim, +[IPCaller] is briansuda
15:06:31 <briansuda> Zakim, +[IPcaller] is briansuda
15:06:34 <Zakim> sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPCaller]'
15:06:44 <Zakim> sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
15:07:11 <briansuda> Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
15:07:11 <Zakim> +briansuda; got it
15:07:43 <HarryH> Zakim, pick scribe
15:07:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick scribe', HarryH
15:07:45 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Oct/att-0052/18-grddl-wg-minutes.html 18 Oct minutes
15:07:52 <HarryH> Zakim, pick a scribe?
15:07:52 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, HarryH.
15:08:02 <DanC> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:08:02 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:08:23 <DanC> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:08:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
15:08:27 <chimezie> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:08:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney, briansuda
15:08:45 <DanC> scribe next week is DanC
15:09:07 <chimezie> RESOLVED: Minutes from last meeting 
15:09:20 <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet again 1 Nov 11aET, 16:00-17:30Z, DanC to scribe
15:09:33 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:09:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Cross-document Introduction" taken up
15:09:38 <chimezie> scribe: chimezie
15:09:58 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:09:58 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, HarryH
15:10:03 <HarryH> Zakim, close item
15:10:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', HarryH
15:10:08 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 3
15:10:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "GRDDL Spec: General issues" taken up
15:10:24 <DanC> agenda order is 3,4,5,67,2
15:10:58 <briansuda> it is slowly making its way through the microformats world too
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15:11:41 <chimezie> DanC: notable - an article on microformats and URIs
15:12:05 <DanC> -> http://fgiasson.com/blog/index.php?title=what_is_the_problem_i_have_with_microfor&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 What is the problem I have with MicroFormats: there is no URI 
15:12:40 <Zakim> +??P4
15:13:03 <HarryH> Zakim, +??P4 is fgandon
15:13:03 <Zakim> sorry, HarryH, I do not recognize a party named '+??P4'
15:13:03 <DanC> $ python testHarness.py --run ./gleanWrapper http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2005/grddl-ts/test-lists.rdf
15:13:12 <HarryH> Zakim, ??P4 is fgandon
15:13:12 <Zakim> +fgandon; got it
15:13:19 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0100.html test details from Dom
15:13:46 <chimezie> chimezie: working on reference implementation and getting through test suites
15:14:42 <chimezie> HarryH: Issues with references to non-authoritative vocabularies in specification?
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15:15:16 <HarryH> HarryH: Nevermind, apparentlyi it's authoritative
15:15:27 <danja> apologies for late arrival - I've still got to wrangle machines for phone
15:16:10 <chimezie> Murray: keep examples in spec (rather than in primer)
15:16:58 <fgandon> apologies for late arrival too - someone burnt my car a few days ago and I have to take care of a lot of insurance stuff...
15:17:01 <chimezie> Murray: seperate spec into normative and informative sections
15:17:12 <DanC> ACTION DanC: create a "normative only" view of the GRDDL spec
15:17:36 <chimezie> Murray: GRDDL transform for the specification
15:18:36 <chimezie> what do you extract from the specification?
15:19:05 <chimezie> DanC: currently transforms to an ontology with a normative reference to FOAF
15:19:23 <chimezie> HarryH: definitions and terms should be the short term goal for the result of a transform on the specification
15:20:27 <HarryH> Zakim, close item
15:20:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', HarryH
15:20:32 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:20:32 <Zakim> agendum 4. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up
15:20:58 <Zakim> -briansuda
15:21:07 <chimezie> Murray: spec takes a stand, the issue is open
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15:23:45 <chimezie> chimezie: we can devise test cases that show where an open output will fail and where it will work
15:24:21 <chimezie> Murray: waiting for feedback from community
15:24:42 <chimezie> Murray: *will* need to check intelligently for unguided formats
15:25:30 <DanC> pending_tests += "be robust in the face of unknown serializations", "you may support turtle"
15:26:01 <chimezie> ACTION chimezie: develop test case to demonstrate both sides of the issue with #issue-output-formats
15:26:13 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:26:13 <Zakim> agendum 5. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up
15:27:43 <chimezie> Murray: conversation was tabled for later.  They were okay with this WG making a determination of processing order.  Some members were alarmed
15:28:58 <chimezie> DanC: would like to see testcases for pipeline-specified order of processing or situation where there is no guaranateed order
15:29:12 <chimezie> Murray: Pipleline spec is a moving target
15:30:32 <DanC> pending_tests += "no, xinclude doesn't come for free in xslt", "yes, you can use XProc to say to do xinclude and XSLT"
15:31:24 <chimezie> ACTION Murray, DanC, chimezie: formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform
15:31:43 <chimezie> ACTION, Murray, DanC, chimezie: formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform
15:31:54 <chimezie> ACTION: Murray, DanC, chimezie  formulate source examples (with xincludes) for GRDDL transform
15:35:17 <DanC> ACTION:Iand to construct a content negotiation test case [CONTINUES]
15:35:27 <DanC> ACTION: iand to review Murray's suggested intro [CONTINUES]
15:37:27 <DanC> agenda + Semantic Web Client Library
15:38:14 <chimezie> .. conversation on formulating URIs for works of art for reference in an RDF graph ..
15:39:38 <HarryH> For next release, we could always use www.example.org URIs
15:39:47 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:39:47 <Zakim> I only see 8 items on the agenda
15:40:04 <HarryH> Zakim, item 6
15:40:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 6', HarryH
15:40:08 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 6
15:40:08 <Zakim> agendum 6. "[#issue-base-param]" taken up
15:40:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:40:48 <briansuda> Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
15:40:48 <Zakim> +briansuda; got it
15:41:00 <HarryH> zakim, next item
15:41:01 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, HarryH
15:42:08 <chimezie> ACTION DanC: contribute hotel reviews for primer
15:42:11 <HarryH> Brian: Do you think we need ore hotel reviews?
15:42:18 <HarryH> s/ore/more
15:42:34 <DanC> (note on unfortuntate verbosity of RDF/XML Stand example noted in 1.145)
15:42:37 <briansuda> we just need something with hReviews
15:42:44 <briansuda> i can hear you Harry, just no mic
15:43:08 <HarryH> DanC - we'll just use hotel reviews
15:43:40 <DanC> -> http://sites.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/ng4j/semwebclient/ Semantic Web Client Library
15:43:49 <chimezie> DanC: Semantic Web Client Library is worth looking into
15:45:55 <chimezie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/WebClosure
15:46:31 <chimezie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/FollowLinksForMoreInformation
15:47:38 <chimezie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/WebClosureSocialConvention
15:47:58 <HarryH> ACTION: Harry and Brian to rewrite second part of primer to use Brian and Dan's instance data
15:48:28 <DanC> agenda?
15:49:24 <chimezie> Murray: With regards to real data on the web: putting up web data on a band.  Possibility of writing reviews.  Do we need these live examples? Need pointers to appropriate vocabularies
15:50:08 <briansuda> here's how to create hReviews: http://microformats.org/code/hreview/creator
15:50:24 <briansuda> XFN is here (http://www.gmpg.org/xfn/) FoaF is gleaned from that
15:51:38 <chimezie> .. ongoing conversation on if this is needed ..
15:55:06 <chimezie> .. ongoing conversation on additional advocacy, examples, etc .. 
15:56:13 <chimezie> LinkedIn is one possibility
15:56:49 <briansuda> yes
15:56:51 <chimezie> http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=81 - LinkedIn supports microformats at last
15:58:18 <HarryH> tagsoup possibilities?
15:59:27 <DanC> ACTION DanC: prepare slides on grddl-rules.n3
16:00:00 <HarryH> Possibilities of looking at n3 rules for GRDDL formalization?
16:00:09 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:00:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:01:21 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
16:01:27 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:01:53 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:01:57 <Zakim> -HarryH
16:02:00 <DanC> Meeting: GRDDL Weekly
16:02:01 <Zakim> -fgandon
16:02:03 <Zakim> -briansuda
16:02:07 <DanC> Zakim, list attendees
16:02:15 <DanC> Chair: Henry
16:02:22 <Zakim> -Murray_Maloney
16:02:38 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney, briansuda, fgandon
16:02:49 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:02:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:03:22 <Zakim> -DanC
16:03:24 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
16:03:26 <Zakim> Attendees were DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Murray_Maloney, briansuda, fgandon
16:04:34 <DanC> ok, chime, that looks pretty good. edit out the diagnostic info at the bottom and attach it to mail to the WG. http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html 
16:04:40 <DanC> odd... I'm getting slow HTTP response
16:13:50 <chimezie> alrighty.. 
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