IRC log of er on 2006-10-25

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13:55:17 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ER

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0060.html

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agenda+ FileContent class or not?

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agenda+ sequences in the HTTP vocabulary

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agenda+ sequences in the HTTP vocabulary

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agenda+ additional validity level values

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agenda+ addressing security/privacy in EARL

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Shadi

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+CarlosV

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+[IPcaller]

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+CarlosI

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zakim, ipcaller is really Chris

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+Chris; got it

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, ipcaller is really Shane

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+Shane; got it

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regrets: Johannes

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scribe: Shane

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "FileContent class or not?" taken up [from shadi]

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saz: filecontent class and security have been hot topics lately. They are separate issues.

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saz: where does everyone stand on the fileConent class?

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carlosI: fileContent class could be useful. It is similar to webContent class but different.

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carlosI: There are issues with the file protocol

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saz: where the file protocol is applicable rdf can be used

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+Daniela

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saz: the problem still stands where the resource is not a url

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-Daniela

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s/rdf can be used/rdf:about can be used

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saz: local files are not universally available but for EARL they need to universally identifyable

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+Daniela

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cv: use of reletive uri's is an option

14:13:16 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/2006/10/18-er-minutes

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sorry for being late - have problems with my headset (it produced the echo some minutes ago)

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saz: for the webContent class uri:uri is being dropped

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saz: use rdf:about in place of uri:uri

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cv: concerned that makes it worse

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cv: eliminating uri:uri eliminates identification of the resource

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+[IPcaller]

14:16:40 [JibberJim]

Zakim, IPcaller is really Jim

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+Jim; got it

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saz: summary of issue - any web content has a uri so we use rdf:about for the uri

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saz: the problem is when a different identifier is needed

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saz: local IP address would be in the rdf:about

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cv: the problem is rdf:about is then not unique

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ACTION: cv will expand this discussion to the mailing list

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saz: file content on a local drive may not have a unque name

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cv: we need to avoid properties that are the same

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saz: earl:filename was to compliment the rdf:about or rdf:id

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cv: sees no difference between using the uri or filename

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ci: sees no difference also

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saz: earlier it was proposed that filename would be a subproperty of uri:uri

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ci: that still doesn't solve the main problem

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saz: Is there any reason not to have filename as a file protocol

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ci: wonders if we want filename property

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saz: question to revisit - what to do when there is a local identifier that may not be unique when published to the world

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saz: Do we really need the filename property? What is the use case?

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cv: the file protocol is the uri

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ci: still does not work between different organizations

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saz: The problem is making something on a personal hard disk unique when published to the world

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saz: filename would provide additional information

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ci: wonders how filename will look like

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<uri:uri>file://file.html</uri:uri>

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saz: filename would not necissarily be unique

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saz: uniqueness would come from the id of the class

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ci: how do we distiguish two earl reports when file paths are the same but the files are different

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saz: wonders if confusion would really happen in practice

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<earl:FileContent rdf:ID="myIndex">

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<uri:uri>file://file.html</uri:uri>

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<earl:FileContent rdf:ID="yourIndex">

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<uri:uri>file://file.html</uri:uri>

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saz: clarifies that the identifier is the id not the filename

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saz: is there any objection to a fileContent class?

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saz: the silence must mean that there are no objections

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RESOLUTION: Adopt a fileContent class

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ACTION: Shadi will send out a proposal of the fileContent class

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-Chris

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-Jim

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-Daniela

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-Shadi

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-CarlosV

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-Shane

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-CarlosI

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, CarlosV, CarlosI, Chris, Shane, Daniela, Jim

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: cv will expand this discussion to the mailing list [1]

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ACTION: Shadi will send out a proposal of the fileContent class [2]

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