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13:55:17 <shadi> zakim, this will be ER
13:55:17 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:55:24 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:55:28 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:55:54 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0060.html
13:56:08 <shadi> agenda+ FileContent class or not?
13:56:19 <shadi> agenda+ sequences in the HTTP vocabulary
13:56:30 <shadi> agenda+ sequences in the HTTP vocabulary
13:56:40 <shadi> agenda+ additional validity level values
13:56:50 <shadi> agenda+ addressing security/privacy in EARL
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14:03:23 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
14:03:23 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
14:03:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:03:40 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Shane
14:03:40 <Zakim> +Shane; got it
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14:04:33 <shadi> regrets: Johannes
14:04:39 <shadi> scribe: Shane
14:05:27 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "FileContent class or not?" taken up [from shadi]
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14:06:20 <shane> saz: filecontent class and security have been hot topics lately. They are separate issues.
14:06:53 <shane> saz: where does everyone stand on the fileConent class?
14:08:45 <shane> carlosI: fileContent class could be useful. It is similar to webContent class but different.
14:09:25 <shane> carlosI: There are issues with the file protocol
14:10:15 <shane> saz: where the file protocol is applicable rdf can be used
14:10:20 <Zakim> +Daniela
14:10:33 <shane> saz: the problem still stands where the resource is not a url
14:10:35 <Zakim> -Daniela
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14:11:47 <shadi> s/rdf can be used/rdf:about can be used
14:11:58 <shane> saz: local files are not universally available but for EARL they need to universally identifyable
14:12:28 <Zakim> +Daniela
14:12:46 <shane> cv: use of reletive uri's is an option
14:13:16 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2006/10/18-er-minutes
14:13:55 <Daniela> sorry for being late - have problems with my headset (it produced the echo some minutes ago)
14:13:56 <shane> saz: for the webContent class uri:uri is being dropped
14:14:16 <shane> saz: use rdf:about in place of uri:uri
14:14:25 <shane> cv: concerned that makes it worse
14:14:55 <shane> cv: eliminating uri:uri eliminates identification of the resource
14:15:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:16:40 <JibberJim> Zakim, IPcaller is really Jim
14:16:40 <Zakim> +Jim; got it
14:16:47 <shane> saz: summary of issue - any web content has a uri so we use rdf:about for the uri
14:17:41 <shane> saz: the problem is when a different identifier is needed
14:18:48 <shane> saz: local IP address would be in the rdf:about 
14:19:13 <shane> cv: the problem is rdf:about is then not unique
14:20:54 <shane> ACTION: cv will expand this discussion to the mailing list
14:21:51 <shane> saz: file content on a local drive may not have a unque name 
14:22:16 <shane> cv: we need to avoid properties that are the same
14:23:13 <shane> saz: earl:filename was to compliment the rdf:about or rdf:id
14:23:39 <shane> cv: sees no difference between using the uri or filename
14:23:55 <shane> ci: sees no difference also
14:26:23 <shane> saz: earlier it was proposed that filename would be a subproperty of uri:uri
14:26:35 <shane> ci: that still doesn't solve the main problem
14:27:43 <shane> saz: Is there any reason not to have filename as a file protocol
14:28:29 <shane> ci: wonders if we want filename property
14:29:36 <shane> saz: question to revisit - what to do when there is a local identifier that may not be unique when published to the world
14:32:54 <shane> saz: Do we really need the filename property? What is the use case?
14:36:29 <shane> cv: the file protocol is the uri
14:36:56 <shane> ci: still does not work between different organizations
14:39:10 <shane> saz: The problem is making something on a personal hard disk unique when published to the world
14:39:54 <shane> saz: filename would provide additional information 
14:40:29 <shane> ci: wonders how filename will look like
14:41:27 <shadi> <uri:uri>file://file.html</uri:uri>
14:43:07 <shane> saz: filename would not necissarily be unique 
14:43:20 <shane> saz: uniqueness would come from the id of the class
14:47:26 <shane> ci: how do we distiguish two earl reports when file paths are the same but the files are different
14:48:23 <shane> saz: wonders if confusion would really happen in practice 
14:48:24 <shadi> <earl:FileContent rdf:ID="myIndex">
14:48:41 <shadi> <uri:uri>file://file.html</uri:uri>
14:48:48 <shadi> <earl:FileContent rdf:ID="yourIndex">
14:48:49 <shadi> <uri:uri>file://file.html</uri:uri>
14:50:47 <shane> saz: clarifies that the identifier is the id not the filename
14:52:57 <shane> saz: is there any objection to a fileContent class?
14:53:41 <shane> saz: the silence must mean that there are no objections
14:54:50 <shane> RESOLUTION: Adopt a fileContent class
14:55:20 <shane> ACTION: Shadi will send out a proposal of the fileContent class
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14:58:53 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:58:55 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:59:01 <Zakim> -Shane
14:59:19 <Zakim> -CarlosI
14:59:21 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
14:59:23 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, CarlosV, CarlosI, Chris, Shane, Daniela, Jim
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15:05:20 <shadi> zakim, bye
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15:05:35 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:16:57 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:16:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-er-minutes.html shadi
15:17:00 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
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15:17:03 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-er-actions.rdf :
15:17:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cv will expand this discussion to the mailing list [1]
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15:17:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi will send out a proposal of the fileContent class [2]
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