IRC log of er on 2006-10-25

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zakim, this will be ER
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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chair: Shadi
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agenda+ FileContent class or not?
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agenda+ sequences in the HTTP vocabulary
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agenda+ sequences in the HTTP vocabulary
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agenda+ additional validity level values
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agenda+ addressing security/privacy in EARL
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
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+Chris; got it
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zakim, ipcaller is really Shane
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+Shane; got it
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regrets: Johannes
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scribe: Shane
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "FileContent class or not?" taken up [from shadi]
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saz: filecontent class and security have been hot topics lately. They are separate issues.
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saz: where does everyone stand on the fileConent class?
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carlosI: fileContent class could be useful. It is similar to webContent class but different.
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carlosI: There are issues with the file protocol
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saz: where the file protocol is applicable rdf can be used
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saz: the problem still stands where the resource is not a url
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14:11:47 [shadi]
s/rdf can be used/rdf:about can be used
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saz: local files are not universally available but for EARL they need to universally identifyable
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cv: use of reletive uri's is an option
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14:13:55 [Daniela]
sorry for being late - have problems with my headset (it produced the echo some minutes ago)
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saz: for the webContent class uri:uri is being dropped
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saz: use rdf:about in place of uri:uri
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cv: concerned that makes it worse
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cv: eliminating uri:uri eliminates identification of the resource
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14:16:40 [JibberJim]
Zakim, IPcaller is really Jim
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+Jim; got it
14:16:47 [shane]
saz: summary of issue - any web content has a uri so we use rdf:about for the uri
14:17:41 [shane]
saz: the problem is when a different identifier is needed
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saz: local IP address would be in the rdf:about
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cv: the problem is rdf:about is then not unique
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ACTION: cv will expand this discussion to the mailing list
14:21:51 [shane]
saz: file content on a local drive may not have a unque name
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cv: we need to avoid properties that are the same
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saz: earl:filename was to compliment the rdf:about or rdf:id
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cv: sees no difference between using the uri or filename
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ci: sees no difference also
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saz: earlier it was proposed that filename would be a subproperty of uri:uri
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ci: that still doesn't solve the main problem
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saz: Is there any reason not to have filename as a file protocol
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ci: wonders if we want filename property
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saz: question to revisit - what to do when there is a local identifier that may not be unique when published to the world
14:32:54 [shane]
saz: Do we really need the filename property? What is the use case?
14:36:29 [shane]
cv: the file protocol is the uri
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ci: still does not work between different organizations
14:39:10 [shane]
saz: The problem is making something on a personal hard disk unique when published to the world
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saz: filename would provide additional information
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ci: wonders how filename will look like
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saz: filename would not necissarily be unique
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saz: uniqueness would come from the id of the class
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ci: how do we distiguish two earl reports when file paths are the same but the files are different
14:48:23 [shane]
saz: wonders if confusion would really happen in practice
14:48:24 [shadi]
<earl:FileContent rdf:ID="myIndex">
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<earl:FileContent rdf:ID="yourIndex">
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14:50:47 [shane]
saz: clarifies that the identifier is the id not the filename
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saz: is there any objection to a fileContent class?
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saz: the silence must mean that there are no objections
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RESOLUTION: Adopt a fileContent class
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ACTION: Shadi will send out a proposal of the fileContent class
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, CarlosV, CarlosI, Chris, Shane, Daniela, Jim
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: cv will expand this discussion to the mailing list [1]
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ACTION: Shadi will send out a proposal of the fileContent class [2]
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