IRC log of tsdtf on 2006-10-24

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zakim, this will be TSD
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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meeting: TSD TF
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chair: CarlosV, Christophe
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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
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zakim, drop shadi
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Shadi is being disconnected
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12:34:47 [CarlosV]
zakim, Thomas is really CarlosV
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+CarlosV; got it
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zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
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+Chris; got it
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zakim, ipcaller.a is really Shane
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+Shane; got it
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zakim, ctic is really CarlosI
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+CarlosI; got it
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agenda+ TCDL usage document review
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agenda+ First review of tests
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "TCDL usage document review" taken up [from shadi]
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agena+ CVS issues
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agenda+ CVS issues
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "CVS issues" taken up [from shadi]
12:39:27 [Tim]
SAZ: problems with CVS account - if you want to use CVS frontend
12:39:42 [Tim]
need to use SSH tunnel if you want to communicate
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CV: why do you need public SSH key?
12:40:33 [Tim]
SAZ: what is issue with public SSH key? Helps with identification?
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CV: policy conflicts - hassle
12:41:33 [Tim]
SAZ: we use SSH for accesing our servers - more secure
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SAZ: ask for other possibilities
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Daniela: also may be difficult for me
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12:43:40 [Tim]
SAZ: need key from computer from which you will access server
12:44:44 [Tim]
SAZ: put info about common clients documentation (Windows)
12:45:38 [Tim]
SAZ: who has issues with this? Has anybody use CVS/SSH tunnel before?
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CR: Has done before, and worked fine (for test suite W3C site)..
12:46:11 [Tim]
Once set up, worked OK
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SAZ: Lot of documentation on google
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SAZ: Is CVS new to anybody? Everybody except for Tim seems experienced
12:47:56 [Tim]
Only new thing is using SSH tunnel
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Daniela: possible issues with generating keys for local machines?
12:49:28 [Tim]
SAZ: puttygen - possible tool for generating keys?
12:49:52 [Tim]
keep private key private, only send public key on any computer
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many frameworks available to use SSH - setting up will require research
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SAZ: once set up, it should work
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ACTION: everybody to generate SSH public key and send to Shadi off-list
12:52:54 [shadi]
zakim, close agendum 3
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agendum 3, CVS issues, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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1. TCDL usage document review [from shadi]
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "TCDL usage document review" taken up [from shadi]
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12:53:49 [Tim]
CV: discussion on list on this document
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SAZ: five-minute break to read document, since it was sent right before call
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CV: Who is working on document - coordination?
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SAZ: from me, for this round - specific comments?
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CV: formatting issue - working group note?
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SAZ: What is benefit of listing as working group note?
13:00:04 [Tim]
extensive mechanism to generate - format daunting - current format easier
13:00:16 [Tim]
to read - why do another specification?
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CS: no issues with new format, but some issues need to be cleaned up
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CS: either form will work - what about people newer to it?
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CI: prefer this format, creator and rights hard to read, maybe use
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template, maybe link element to relevant part of spec
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CR: looks fine to me - fairly easy to read
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Daniela: insert also things not used - make explicit that not used in TF
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SAZ: this would make document much longer? clarification needed?
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form to input metadata (including files) provided, so what is benefit of
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listing other elements?
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Shane: would just be a list - worth the room to do it? not that helpful?
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SAZ: listed up front - not clear enough?
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CS: would be sufficient just to say these things aren't used - don't want to
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draw too much attention to it
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Shane: likes it, easy to read, looks good
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maybe also same issue with creator and rights as CI
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SAZ: supposed to be suite of four documents - still need to work on naming
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Tim: looks good at first glance, will investigate more
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SAZ: put in some editorial suggestions - maybe put in date info ?
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How is date used in BentoWeb?
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CS: inserted manually, once and don't change any more
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CS: already have version information, just creation date added
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SAZ: change restriction to note - creation date of test sample - have
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we agreed on format?
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ACTION: SAZ to change description of dc:date
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CI: last modified date more interesting than creation date?
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CS: always ask CVS for last change
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CI: not always possible to see information
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SAZ: revision number will change anyway - is it important to know when
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last modified?
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CI: last modified date is most important to know
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SAZ: do we want both dates?
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Shane: last modified date more important than creation date
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CS: would need to change schema if kept both dates
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RESOLUTION: dc:date is to reflect last modified date of the test sample
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SAZ: help with generating example metadata file and template?
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CS: shouldn't take long to do
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ACTION: CS and CV to create and send example metadata file and template
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SAZ: have them as XML or HTML?
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CS: create as XML anyway..
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RESOLUTION: example metadata file and template will be in XML format
13:25:24 [CarlosV]
example file: (to be modified)
13:26:16 [Tim]
SAZ: TCDL 2.0 will use RDF or not?
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CS: talked with Johannes Koch re: HTTP vocabulary in RDF, create XML
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schema for those terms used in TCDL, and should work..
13:27:25 [shadi]
s/use RDF or not/use "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF" or not
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SAZ: monitor baseline discussion in WCAG WG
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CV: required from schema or from task force? may lead to confusion
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ACTION: SAZ to clarify that required or optional refers to TF rather than to schema
13:30:57 [Tim]
CS: for EARL pointers in location need to create XML schema and import into TCDL
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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Daniela, Tim_Boland, CarlosV, Chris, Shane, CarlosI
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13:32:48 [shadi]
zakim, make logs world
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I don't understand 'make logs world', shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: everybody to generate SSH public key and send to Shadi off-list [1]
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ACTION: SAZ to change description of dc:date [2]
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ACTION: CS and CV to create and send example metadata file and template [3]
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ACTION: SAZ to clarify that required or optional refers to TF rather than to schema [4]
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