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12:29:12 <shadi> zakim, this will be TSD
12:29:12 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
12:29:17 <shadi> meeting: TSD TF
12:29:27 <shadi> chair: CarlosV, Christophe
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12:34:31 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Oct/0042.html
12:34:47 <CarlosV> zakim, Thomas is really CarlosV
12:34:48 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
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12:36:06 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
12:36:06 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
12:36:13 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller.a is really Shane
12:36:13 <Zakim> +Shane; got it
12:36:30 <shadi> zakim, ctic is really CarlosI
12:36:30 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
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12:37:08 <shadi> agenda+ TCDL usage document review
12:37:21 <shadi> agenda+ First review of tests
12:37:36 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:37:36 <Zakim> agendum 1. "TCDL usage document review" taken up [from shadi]
12:38:08 <shadi> agena+ CVS issues
12:38:13 <shadi> agenda+ CVS issues
12:38:16 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
12:38:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "CVS issues" taken up [from shadi]
12:39:27 <Tim> SAZ: problems with CVS account - if you want to use CVS frontend  
12:39:42 <Tim> need to use SSH tunnel if you want to communicate
12:39:59 <Tim> CV: why do you need public SSH key?
12:40:33 <Tim> SAZ: what is issue with public SSH key? Helps with identification?
12:40:59 <Tim> CV: policy conflicts - hassle
12:41:33 <Tim> SAZ: we use SSH for accesing our servers - more secure
12:42:13 <Tim> SAZ: ask for other possibilities
12:42:34 <Tim> Daniela: also may be difficult for me
12:42:57 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Oct/0049.html
12:43:33 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Oct/0050.html
12:43:40 <Tim> SAZ: need key from computer from which you will access server
12:44:44 <Tim> SAZ: put info about common clients documentation (Windows)
12:45:38 <Tim> SAZ: who has issues with this? Has anybody use CVS/SSH tunnel before?
12:46:04 <Tim> CR: Has done before, and worked fine (for test suite W3C site)..
12:46:11 <Tim> Once set up, worked OK
12:46:26 <Tim> SAZ: Lot of documentation on google
12:47:46 <Tim> SAZ: Is CVS new to anybody?   Everybody except for Tim seems experienced 
12:47:56 <Tim> Only new thing is using SSH tunnel
12:49:07 <Tim> Daniela: possible issues with generating keys for local machines?  
12:49:28 <Tim> SAZ: puttygen - possible tool for generating keys?
12:49:52 <Tim> keep private key private, only send public key on any computer
12:50:51 <Tim> many frameworks available to use SSH - setting up will require research
12:51:04 <Tim> SAZ: once set up, it should work
12:52:19 <Tim> ACTION: everybody to generate SSH public key and send to Shadi off-list 
12:52:54 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 3
12:52:54 <Zakim> agendum 3, CVS issues, closed
12:52:55 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:52:57 <Zakim> 1. TCDL usage document review [from shadi]
12:52:59 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:52:59 <Zakim> agendum 1. "TCDL usage document review" taken up [from shadi]
12:53:36 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL
12:53:49 <Tim> CV: discussion on list on this document
12:54:34 <Tim> SAZ: five-minute break to read document, since it was sent right before call  
12:57:31 <Tim> CV: Who is working on document - coordination?
12:58:00 <Tim> SAZ: from me, for this round - specific comments? 
12:58:38 <Tim> CV: formatting issue - working group note?
12:59:18 <Tim> SAZ: What is benefit of listing as working group note?
13:00:04 <Tim> extensive mechanism to generate - format daunting - current format easier
13:00:16 <Tim> to read - why do another specification?
13:01:07 <Tim> CS: no issues with new format, but some issues need to be cleaned up
13:02:02 <Tim> CS: either form will work - what about people newer to it?
13:02:51 <Tim> CI: prefer this format, creator and rights hard to read, maybe use 
13:03:02 <Tim> template, maybe link element to relevant part of spec
13:03:31 <Tim> CR: looks fine to me - fairly easy to read
13:04:21 <Tim> Daniela: insert also things not used - make explicit that not used in TF  
13:04:51 <Tim> SAZ: this would make document much longer? clarification needed?
13:05:33 <Tim> form to input metadata (including files) provided, so what is benefit of
13:05:47 <Tim> listing other elements?
13:06:43 <Tim> Shane: would just be a list - worth the room to do it? not that helpful?
13:07:12 <Tim> SAZ: listed up front - not clear enough?
13:08:17 <Tim> CS: would be sufficient just to say these things aren't used - don't want to
13:08:26 <Tim> draw too much attention to it
13:08:52 <Tim> Shane: likes it, easy to read, looks good
13:09:57 <Tim> maybe also same issue with creator and rights as CI
13:12:06 <Tim> SAZ: supposed to be suite of four documents - still need to work on naming
13:13:33 <Tim> Tim: looks good at first glance, will investigate more
13:13:59 <Tim> SAZ: put in some editorial suggestions - maybe put in date info ? 
13:14:07 <Tim> How is date used in BentoWeb?
13:14:31 <Tim> CS: inserted manually, once and don't change any more
13:14:58 <Tim> CS: already have version information, just creation date added
13:15:16 <Tim> SAZ: change restriction to note - creation date of test sample - have
13:15:23 <Tim> we agreed on format?
13:15:44 <Tim> ACTION: SAZ to change description of dc:date
13:16:21 <Tim> CI: last modified date more interesting than creation date?
13:16:34 <Tim> CS: always ask CVS for last change
13:17:00 <Tim> CI: not always possible to see information
13:17:21 <Tim> SAZ: revision number will change anyway - is it important to know when
13:17:26 <Tim> last modified?
13:17:56 <Tim> CI: last modified date is most important to know
13:18:32 <Tim> SAZ: do we want both dates?
13:19:31 <Tim> Shane: last modified date more important than creation date
13:19:56 <Tim> CS: would need to change schema if kept both dates
13:20:46 <Tim> RESOLUTION: dc:date is to reflect last modified date of the test sample
13:21:22 <Tim> SAZ: help with generating example metadata file and template?
13:21:41 <Tim> CS: shouldn't take long to do
13:23:19 <Tim> ACTION: CS and CV to create and send example metadata file and template
13:23:57 <Tim> SAZ: have them as XML or HTML?
13:24:16 <Tim> CS: create as XML anyway..
13:24:54 <Tim> RESOLUTION: example metadata file and template will be in XML format
13:25:24 <CarlosV> example file: http://bentoweb.org/refs/sc3.1.1_l1_001.xml (to be modified)
13:26:16 <Tim> SAZ: TCDL 2.0 will use RDF or not?
13:27:06 <Tim> CS: talked with Johannes Koch re: HTTP vocabulary in RDF, create XML
13:27:19 <Tim> schema for those terms used in TCDL, and should work..
13:27:25 <shadi> s/use RDF or not/use "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF" or not
13:28:13 <Tim> SAZ: monitor baseline discussion in WCAG WG
13:29:00 <Tim> CV: required from schema or from task force?  may lead to confusion
13:29:34 <Tim> ACTION: SAZ to clarify that required or optional refers to TF rather than to schema  
13:30:57 <Tim> CS: for EARL pointers in location need to create XML schema and import into TCDL
13:31:37 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
13:31:39 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:31:40 <Zakim> -Chris
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13:31:53 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
13:31:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Daniela, Tim_Boland, CarlosV, Chris, Shane, CarlosI
13:31:59 <CarlosI> quit
13:32:48 <shadi> zakim, make logs world
13:32:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make logs world', shadi
13:33:00 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:33:05 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:33:11 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
13:33:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
13:33:14 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:33:19 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
13:33:19 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
13:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to generate SSH public key and send to Shadi off-list  [1]
13:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-tsdtf-irc#T12-52-19
13:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ to change description of dc:date [2]
13:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-tsdtf-irc#T13-15-44
13:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS and CV to create and send example metadata file and template [3]
13:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-tsdtf-irc#T13-23-19
13:33:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ to clarify that required or optional refers to TF rather than to schema   [4]
13:33:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/24-tsdtf-irc#T13-29-34