IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-10-19

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RRSAgent, do not start a new log

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RRSAgent, make log world

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RRSAgent, make log world

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zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG

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ok, ben_; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 47 minutes ago

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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006OctDec/0034.html

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agenda+ Announcements, updates and questions

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agenda+ EDITORZ Survey of Oct 5 (start w/ LC-808)

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agenda+ Team C Issues for 12 October 2006

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agenda+ Team B Survey for Oct 12 2006

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agenda+ Team C Issues for 19 October 2006

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agenda+ Team B Survey for 19 Oct 2006

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agenda+ Editor's Issues for 19 October

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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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Regrets: Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero

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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started

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+Tim_Boland

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+Cooper

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+Bruce_Bailey

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+Sofia_Celic

20:02:03 [ben]

zakim, who is on the phone?

20:02:03 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Tim_Boland, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Sofia_Celic

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+[IPcaller]

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+??P4

20:02:24 [LucaMascaro]

Zakim, [IPcaller is LucaMascaro

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+LucaMascaro; got it

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Zakim, mute me

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LucaMascaro should now be muted

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zakim, ??P4 is Gregg_and_Ben

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+Gregg_and_Ben; got it

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+Judy

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki

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+Makoto_Ueki; got it

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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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zakim, mute me

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Makoto_Ueki should now be muted

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+Alex_Li

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+[IPcaller]

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+[IBM]

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+Becky_Gibson

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+??P13

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Zakim, IBM is Andi

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+Andi; got it

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+[IPcaller.a]

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zakim, [IPcaller.a] is Bengt_Farre

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+Bengt_Farre; got it

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zakim, IPcaller is Sorcha_Moore

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+Sorcha_Moore; got it

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zakim, mute me

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Sorcha_Moore should now be muted

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zakim, ??P13 is Katie_Haritos-Shea

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+Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it

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-LucaMascaro

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+Don_Evans

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scribe: Andi

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+ +44.117.971.aaaa

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zakim, +44 is Sean_Hayes

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+Sean_Hayes; got it

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zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1. "Announcements, updates and questions" taken up [from ben_]

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+[Microsoft]

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Gregg summarizes from last week

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brb

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No decision on web page vs. web unit

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+[IPcaller]

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Zakim, [IPcaller is LucaMascaro

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+LucaMascaro; got it

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Zakim, mute me

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resolution: LC-818, LC-937, LC-639, LC-655, LC-1508 by unanimous consent

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agenda?

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zakim, close agendum 1

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agendum 1, Announcements, updates and questions, closed

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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. EDITORZ Survey of Oct 5 (start w/ LC-808) [from ben_]

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zakim, close item 2

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agendum 2, EDITORZ Survey of Oct 5 (start w/ LC-808), closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. Team C Issues for 12 October 2006 [from ben_]

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "Team C Issues for 12 October 2006" taken up [from ben_]

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Resolution: Accept failure technique "Failure due to providing long description for non-text content that does not serve the same purpose or does not present the same information"

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topic: LC-1073

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resolution: accept LC-1073 as proposed

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topic: Using Accessible Rich Internet Application described by property to provide a descriptive, programmatically determined label

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+David_MacDonald

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resolution: accept "Using Accessible Rich Internet Application described by property to provide a descriptive, programmatically determined label" with edits

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topic: LC-937

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resolution: accept LC-937 as proposed

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topic: LC-717

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-Bruce_Bailey

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zakim, mute me

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David_MacDonald should now be muted

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-Alex_Li

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resolution: accept LC-717 with edits

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topic: LC-780 and LC-797

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+Bruce_Bailey

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+Alex_Li

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-LucaMascaro

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ack c

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zakim, mute judy

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Judy should now be muted

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zakim, unmute me

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David_MacDonald should no longer be muted

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q+

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refer LC-780 and LC-797 back to Team C

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topic: LC-798

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resolution: accept LC-798 with edits

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-Bruce_Bailey

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q- David

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ack C

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topic: LC-858

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q+

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zakim, mute me

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David_MacDonald should now be muted

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+Bruce_Bailey

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q+

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ack beck

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ack sean

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q+

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resolution: accept LC-858 with edits

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-Don_Evans

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action: Editorz to revisit definition of "non-text content". Shouldn't be meant to address interactive elements.

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-Bruce_Bailey

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action: Loretta to submit an issue wrt modifying SC 1.1.1 and the HTM SC 1.1.1 - should not address interactive elements

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 3 closed

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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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4. Team B Survey for Oct 12 2006 [from ben_]

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zakim, take up agendum 4

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agendum 4. "Team B Survey for Oct 12 2006" taken up [from ben_]

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topic: LC-557 and LC-1108

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zakim, unmute me

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David_MacDonald should no longer be muted

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q?

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ack l

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+Bruce_Bailey

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resolution: accept LC-557 and LC-1108 as amended

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action: David to develop a common failure for including safety critical information in the title attribute of a link

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topic: LC-563

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resolution: accept LC-563 as amended

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topic: LC-913 and LC-1260

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q+ to say the accessibility problem is if you _do_ knwo the language

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ackm

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q+

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ack m

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Michael, you wanted to say the accessibility problem is if you _do_ knwo the language

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q+

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ack a

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ack l

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q?

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regrets+ Sorcha Moore

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q+

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-Tim_Boland

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q+ to say that we already have an advisory technique about marking individual words

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ack andi

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ack ben

21:31:43 [Zakim]

ben, you wanted to say that we already have an advisory technique about marking individual words

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-Judy

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21:37:32 [Sorcha]

*Sorcha must exit call now. Will see everyone next week at F2F

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-Sorcha_Moore

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scribe: becka11y

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-Andi

21:45:10 [sean]

q+ is nom de plume a single word?

21:48:00 [becka11y]

Resolution: return Issues 913 and 1260 to team B

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Topic: Issue 969

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Resolution: Accept issue 969 with edits suggested in the survey.

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 4 closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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5. Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 [from ben_]

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zakim, close this item

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I do not know what agendum had been taken up, ben

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zakim, take up agendum 6

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agendum 6. "Team B Survey for 19 Oct 2006" taken up [from ben_]

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Topic: Issue 1437

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Resolution: return 1437 back to team B

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 6 closed

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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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5. Team C Issues for 19 October 2006 [from ben_]

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zakim, take up agendum 5

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agendum 5. "Team C Issues for 19 October 2006" taken up [from ben_]

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Topic: Issue 1121

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Resolution: Close issue 1121 as ammended (changing wording to use "reversed rather than cancelled"

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Topic: Issue 1122

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+Katie_Haritos-Shea.a

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-Katie_Haritos-Shea

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q+

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q-

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Resolution: send issue 1122 to team c. Remove the ticket purchase example. Consider: The only way to make the deletion of information reversible is to never perform the actual removal from the storage device.

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Topic: issue 1123

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Resolution: accept 1123 with clarification from survey

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-Bengt_Farre

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-Alex_Li

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-Cynthia_Shelly

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-Katie_Haritos-Shea.a

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-Makoto_Ueki

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-Cooper

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-Gregg_and_Ben

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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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-David_MacDonald

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-Becky_Gibson

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-Sofia_Celic

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-Sean_Hayes

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-Bruce_Bailey

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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended

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Attendees were Tim_Boland, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Sofia_Celic, LucaMascaro, Gregg_and_Ben, Judy, Makoto_Ueki, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Alex_Li, Becky_Gibson, Andi, Bengt_Farre,

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... Sorcha_Moore, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Don_Evans, +44.117.971.aaaa, Sean_Hayes, [IPcaller], Cynthia_Shelly?, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald

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present: Tim_Boland, Michael_Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Sofia_Celic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Judy_Brewer, Makoto_Ueki, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Alex_Li, Sorcha_Moore, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Becky_Gibson, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt_Farre, Don_Evans, Sean_Hayes, Cynthia_Shelly, LucaMascaro, David_MacDonald

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/19-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Editorz to revisit definition of "non-text content". Shouldn't be meant to address interactive elements. [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/19-wai-wcag-irc#T20-58-14

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ACTION: Loretta to submit an issue wrt modifying SC 1.1.1 and the HTM SC 1.1.1 - should not address interactive elements [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/19-wai-wcag-irc#T20-59-32

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ACTION: David to develop a common failure for including safety critical information in the title attribute of a link [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/19-wai-wcag-irc#T21-15-12