IRC log of tsdtf on 2006-10-17

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12:21:21 [shadi]

zakim, this will be TSD

12:21:21 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes

12:21:30 [shadi]

meeting: TSD TF

12:21:37 [shane]

hi shadi

12:21:40 [shadi]

chair: CarlosV, Christophe

12:21:48 [shane]

I have been playing around here

12:22:04 [shane]

since I am scribe today

12:22:11 [shadi]

i see you got zakim on board

12:22:17 [shane]

yep

12:22:20 [shadi]

thanks in advance for scribing!

12:22:25 [shadi]

scribe: Shane

12:22:26 [shane]

but that is about it

12:22:39 [shane]

np

12:23:00 [shadi]

did you see these scribing directions: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/scribes#scribing ?

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12:23:38 [shadi]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Oct/0012.html

12:23:52 [shadi]

agenda+ Quick final overview on TCDL 2.0

12:24:09 [shadi]

agenda+ Progress on document for TCDL 2.0 use within the TF

12:24:20 [shadi]

agenda+ First samples on SC 2.5.1.

12:25:18 [shane]

I didn't see those notes

12:25:20 [shane]

thanks

12:25:32 [shadi]

zakim, code?

12:25:32 [Zakim]

the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), shadi

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WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

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+Daniela

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+Shadi

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12:31:09 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

12:31:28 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller.a]

12:31:29 [shadi]

zakim, ipcaller is really Chris

12:31:29 [Zakim]

+Chris; got it

12:31:41 [shadi]

zakim, ipcaller is really Shane

12:31:41 [Zakim]

sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'

12:31:43 [Zakim]

+Christophe_Strobbe

12:31:46 [shadi]

zakim, ipcaller.a is really Shane

12:31:46 [Zakim]

+Shane; got it

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+Vangelis_Karkaletsis

12:33:03 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:33:03 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Daniela, Shadi, Chris, Shane, Christophe_Strobbe, Vangelis_Karkaletsis

12:33:14 [Zakim]

+??P8

12:33:38 [shadi]

zakim, ??p8 is really CarlosI

12:33:38 [Zakim]

+CarlosI; got it

12:34:52 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:34:52 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Quick final overview on TCDL 2.0" taken up [from shadi]

12:36:15 [shane]

cs: will needs to clean up some minor details with TCDL 2

12:36:47 [shane]

saz: everyone will need to review documents that are online

12:37:30 [shane]

saz: need one week formal review before the docs go to review by other WG

12:40:21 [shane]

sa: what is the main goal with TCDL

12:41:18 [shane]

saz: TCDL provides metadata for the test samples for WCAG2

12:43:37 [shane]

cs: TCDL files will demonstrate success and failure of a WCAG 2.0 technique

12:43:52 [Zakim]

+Cooper

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12:44:12 [shane]

saz: TCDL is the metadata format for doining this

12:44:23 [Christophe]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL

12:45:09 [shane]

saz: since shane has missed a few calls, he can take a fresh look at using TCDL document

12:49:54 [shane]

sa: how do we demonstrate examples such as explicit vs implicit form label association

12:50:58 [shane]

sa: to what level of detail do we describe the test

12:51:12 [shane]

saz: if it is an error we point to the error

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12:52:14 [Zakim]

+??P9

12:52:43 [shadi]

zakim, ??p9 is really CarlosV

12:52:43 [Zakim]

+CarlosV; got it

12:53:25 [shane]

saz: TCDL links specific tests to WCAG 2.0 technique

12:53:52 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 1

12:53:52 [Zakim]

agendum 1, Quick final overview on TCDL 2.0, closed

12:53:54 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

12:53:55 [Zakim]

2. Progress on document for TCDL 2.0 use within the TF [from shadi]

12:53:59 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

12:53:59 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Progress on document for TCDL 2.0 use within the TF" taken up [from shadi]

12:54:25 [shane]

cv: there was no reaction to the TCDL 2 document

12:54:29 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL

12:55:56 [shane]

cs: we decided to require link to WCAG2 technique

12:56:08 [shane]

cs: that is not in the usage document yet

12:57:32 [shane]

RESOLUTION: each test sample developed by TF must be linked to a WCAG 2.0 technique or failure

12:58:28 [shane]

saz: will be compiling a few editorial issue on document and will be sending them to the list

12:59:19 [shane]

cv: do we need to look at the introduction

13:00:24 [shane]

ci: I have no problem with the introduction

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saz: worried that it is not friendly to new visitors

13:01:25 [shane]

ci: small paragraph describing each element would be good

13:01:48 [shane]

ci: also provide a template with each element

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saz: templates and examples are good and clear but we should not describe element

13:02:34 [shane]

saz: this will keep size of document smaller

13:03:12 [shane]

ci: a small description would be helpful

13:03:32 [shane]

saz: some elements (ie title) don't need a description

13:04:40 [shane]

saz: elements that need extra consideration will have expanded description

13:05:42 [shane]

ci: global TCDL should be global structure of the metadata

13:05:57 [Zakim]

+Tim_Boland

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saz: many headers and subheaders link to specification

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13:06:53 [shane]

saz: would like to see a more descriptive document

13:08:46 [shane]

tb: are there two levels of audience

13:09:12 [shane]

saz: primary audience is the public

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saz: and how they contribute test samples

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tb: will there be a way to track test samples to avoid repetition

13:10:06 [shane]

saz: there will be a web view of the samples

13:10:19 [shane]

saz: we will also provide examples and templates

13:11:27 [shane]

cv: the document is still rough but it may be difficult to keep it short

13:12:12 [shane]

saz: overview section listing all the terms

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saz: each term is linked to specification

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saz: terms with specific usage get described in more detail

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cs: there is a section called "terms and definitions"

13:13:48 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#terms-list

13:14:28 [shane]

saz: a listing similar to that used for earl might be good

13:17:27 [shane]

ACTION: Shadi will work with Christophe in fine tuning the usage document

13:20:09 [shane]

sa: would like to create a sample TCDL file

13:20:23 [shane]

saz: learning by doing is good

13:21:37 [shane]

saz: we need to compare samples to see if we are all thinking the same

13:22:50 [shane]

saz: we can start on level 1 techniques for creating TCDL sample files

13:24:03 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 2

13:24:03 [Zakim]

agendum 2, Progress on document for TCDL 2.0 use within the TF, closed

13:24:04 [Zakim]

I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

13:24:05 [Zakim]

3. First samples on SC 2.5.1. [from shadi]

13:24:08 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 3

13:24:08 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "First samples on SC 2.5.1." taken up [from shadi]

13:24:14 [shane]

do: adopted a benToWeb file should she use another example as a template

13:26:57 [shane]

saz: samples that are uploaded belong to the group

13:28:08 [shane]

saz: copyright for the uploaded documents belongs to w3c

13:29:09 [Tim]

http://www.w3.org/QA/WG/2005/01/test-faq#legal

13:29:25 [shane]

saz: any work done in the group is a collective work of the group

13:29:30 [Tim]

Test FAQ Question on legal issues link

13:29:50 [shane]

do: what do we expect at the end

13:30:01 [shane]

saz: a repository of test samples

13:31:37 [shane]

cs: will update his samples

13:31:58 [shane]

saz: we need to start using the CVS system

13:33:08 [shane]

ACTION: Christophe will add information about the file heirarchy to the usage document.

13:33:50 [shane]

ACTION: Daniela and Vlachogiannis will upload their test samples to CVS

13:34:16 [shane]

ACTION: Everyone will review tests and send comments to the list

13:34:34 [shane]

ACTION: Shane will also upload a test sample

13:36:01 [Zakim]

-CarlosV

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-Vangelis_Karkaletsis

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-Shadi

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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13:36:06 [Zakim]

-Daniela

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-Chris

13:36:09 [Zakim]

-Cooper

13:36:11 [Zakim]

-Shane

13:36:13 [Zakim]

-Tim_Boland

13:36:15 [Zakim]

-CarlosI

13:36:17 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Daniela, Shadi, Chris, Christophe_Strobbe, Shane, Vangelis_Karkaletsis, CarlosI, Cooper, CarlosV, Tim_Boland

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13:44:54 [shadi]

zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Shadi will work with Christophe in fine tuning the usage document [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-tsdtf-irc#T13-17-27

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ACTION: Christophe will add information about the file heirarchy to the usage document. [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-tsdtf-irc#T13-33-08

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ACTION: Daniela and Vlachogiannis will upload their test samples to CVS [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-tsdtf-irc#T13-33-50

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ACTION: Everyone will review tests and send comments to the list [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-tsdtf-irc#T13-34-16

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ACTION: Shane will also upload a test sample [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/17-tsdtf-irc#T13-34-34