IRC log of ua on 2006-10-12

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Meeting: UAWG teleconference
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scribe: JA
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regrets: JR
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006OctDec/0005.html
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+Jim_Allan
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zakim, [IBM] is parente
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+parente; got it
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+[IBM]
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zakim, [IBM] is cklaws
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+cklaws; got it
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PP: reviewed mozilla and Gnome conference...
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scribe: jallan
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WAI-ARIA
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there was some discussion about AJAX and ARIA
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http://www.w3.org/2006/08/backplane/
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http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/wcl/XGR-report/
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topic: 8.1 Implement Accessiblity Features (P1)
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add references to HTML and XHTML
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CL: not clear how <col> and <colgroup> enable accessibility
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CL: UAAG test suite item #195 about <col> and <colgroup>, does not make sense
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what kind of information are we trying to convey to the user about the relationship of columns in a colgroup. what is the UA supposed to communicate to the user?
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CL: need to figure out how they benefit accessibiltiy., if no benefit then remove from techniques.
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if beneficial, then describe information provided to the user
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need to provide examples
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Should we include tabindex and accesskey. both are confusing to end users
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Action: JA add references to HTML and XHTML
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Action: JA issues col, colgroup, thead, tbody, tfoot, accesskey, tabindex. benefit accessibilty? are there accessibilty examples in WCAG or HTML?
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CL: although tabindex=-1 and accesskey are used significantly in AJAX and HTML
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thats DHTML not html
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Action: JA add comments - although tabindex=-1 and accesskey are used significantly in AJAX and HTML
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topic: 8.2 conform to specifications (p2)
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this is very vague and confusing. You can pick and choose which specification to conform
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action: JA issue: does 8.2 need to be removed due to vagueness
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Topic: 9.1 Provide content focus (p1)
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no techniques.
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CL: AJAX and DHTML using tabindex=-1 to allow focus on non-focusable elements
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there is work on style guide for DHTML elements for keyboard navigation and focus
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CL: may need techniques for using javascript to move content focus
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action: JA issue: update defintions of "enabled elements" and "interactive elements" to provide for components used in DHTML
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action: JA reference WCAG 2 for techniques
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CL: where is the line drawn between what the UA vs author coding should do to provide for accessibility
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action: JA issue where is the line drawn between what the UA vs author coding should do to provide for accessibility
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CL: UA responsibiltiy to generate focus for elements so accessiblity api can provide info to the AT
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discussion of caret browsing in documents
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-cklaws
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-parente
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-Jim_Allan
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Attendees were Jim_Allan, parente, cklaws
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-ua-minutes.html jallan
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