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15:49:50 <raphael> raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 12-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
15:51:23 <raphael> zakim, which conferences ?
15:51:23 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, raphael.
15:51:40 <raphael> zakim, list
15:51:40 <Zakim> I see DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM active
15:51:42 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are VB_VBWG()10:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM
15:51:49 <raphael> zakim, this is INC_MMSEM
15:51:49 <Zakim> ok, raphael; that matches INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
15:52:07 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0013.html
15:52:16 <raphael> present+ Raphael
15:52:46 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:52:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
15:53:02 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs public
15:53:19 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:53:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
15:54:59 <raphael> Scribe: raphael
15:55:25 <raphael> Regrets+ Jacco, Paola, Ovidio, Pasquale
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15:56:23 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs visible
15:56:33 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs public
15:56:56 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:56:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
15:57:00 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
15:57:22 <raphael> present+ Michael
15:57:49 <raphael> Regrets: Jacco, Paola, Ovidio, Pasquale
15:58:00 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
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15:59:51 <Zakim> +Thomas_Franz
16:00:12 <vassilis> vassilis has joined #mmsem
16:00:17 <Zakim> +[UMD]
16:00:21 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
16:00:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see +20592aaaa, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, [UMD]
16:00:21 <anadiotis> anadiotis has joined #mmsem
16:00:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomasFranz, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
16:00:32 <raphael> zakim, [UMD] is Chris
16:00:40 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
16:00:57 <chalaschek> chalaschek has joined #MMSEM
16:01:26 <Zakim> +Thierry_Declerck
16:01:29 <SusanneBoll> SusanneBoll has joined #mmsem
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16:02:06 <rellero__> Hi, i'm sorry can connect only in irc today
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16:02:21 <Zakim> +[CWI]
16:02:27 <patriziaasirelli> Hi all, from Patrizia, Massimo & Suzanne
16:02:33 <paul-thierry> paul-thierry has joined #mmsem
16:02:35 <raphael> zakim, CWI is George
16:02:35 <Zakim> +George; got it
16:02:53 <Zakim> +??P9
16:03:01 <IoannisPratikakis> hello from Athens
16:03:08 <thomasFranz> zakim, mute me
16:03:08 <Zakim> Thomas_Franz should now be muted
16:03:27 <raphael> zakim, ??P9 is Melli
16:03:27 <Zakim> +Melli; got it
16:03:31 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
16:03:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see +20592aaaa, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz (muted), Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli
16:03:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see paul-thierry, IoannisPratikakis, Melli, rellero__, SusanneBoll, chalaschek, anadiotis, vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomasFranz, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
16:03:43 <Zakim> +??P13
16:03:53 <JeffP> JeffP has joined #mmsem
16:04:10 <raphael> zakim, ??P13 is Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne
16:04:10 <Zakim> +Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne; got it
16:04:22 <raphael> zakim, +20592 is me
16:04:23 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
16:04:28 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
16:04:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz (muted), Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne
16:04:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeffP, paul-thierry, IoannisPratikakis, Melli, rellero__, SusanneBoll, chalaschek, anadiotis, vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomasFranz, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim,
16:04:33 <Zakim> ... raphael
16:05:27 <thomas> zakim, unmute me
16:05:27 <Zakim> Thomas_Franz should no longer be muted
16:05:34 <Zakim> +[ITI]
16:05:43 <raphael> zakim, ITI is Stamatia
16:05:44 <Zakim> +Stamatia; got it
16:05:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:06:01 <raphael> zakim, who is speaking
16:06:01 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is speaking', raphael
16:06:03 <raphael> zakim, who is speaking?
16:06:11 <SusanneBoll> Susanne Boll
16:06:14 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 10 (12%), Thierry_Declerck (18%), raphael (19%), Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne (22%), Stamatia (13%), [IPcaller]
16:06:18 <Zakim> ... (28%)
16:06:19 <Zakim> +[IVML]
16:06:30 <raphael> zakim, IPcaller is Suzanne
16:06:30 <Zakim> +Suzanne; got it
16:06:37 <raphael> zakim, IVML is Vassilis
16:06:38 <Zakim> +Vassilis; got it
16:06:55 <raphael> zakim, mute Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne
16:06:55 <Zakim> Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne should now be muted
16:07:00 <raphael> zakim, who is speaking?
16:07:10 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan
16:07:10 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Thierry_Declerck (15%), Michael_Hausenblas (4%), George (6%), raphael (65%), Stamatia (9%)
16:07:22 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
16:07:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne (muted), Stamatia, Suzanne, Vassilis, Jeff_Pan
16:07:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeffP, paul-thierry, IoannisPratikakis, Melli, rellero__, SusanneBoll, chalaschek, anadiotis, vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomas, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
16:07:46 <vassilis> zakim, mute me
16:07:46 <Zakim> Vassilis should now be muted
16:08:36 <raphael> Chair: JeffP
16:09:19 <raphael> Topic: ADMIN
16:09:22 <patriziaasirelli> I am having problem with my telephone I shall riconnect in a minute
16:09:27 <Zakim> -Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne
16:10:15 <chalaschek> none here
16:10:19 <thomas> accept it
16:10:20 <vassilis> zakim, unmute me
16:10:20 <Zakim> Vassilis should no longer be muted
16:10:28 <raphael> Minutes of the 02 October 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED
16:10:36 <raphael> including the decisions taken
16:10:40 <chalaschek> none here
16:10:52 <raphael> Next telecon 26 October 2006: ACCEPTED
16:11:08 <anadiotis> zakim mute me
16:11:17 <anadiotis> zakim, mute me
16:11:18 <Zakim> sorry, anadiotis, I do not see a party named 'anadiotis'
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16:11:23 <Zakim> +Patrizia_Asirelli
16:11:33 <Zakim> -Patrizia_Asirelli
16:11:37 <anadiotis> zakim, mute George
16:11:37 <Zakim> George should now be muted
16:11:55 <mhausenblas> one remark wrt http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Liaison - looks orphaned
16:12:00 <Zakim> + +30210772aabb
16:12:09 <raphael> Topic: LIAISON
16:12:17 <cgi-irc> Zakim, aabb is Stamatia
16:12:18 <Zakim> +Stamatia; got it
16:12:25 <vassilis> zakim, + +30210772aabb is yannis
16:12:25 <Zakim> I don't understand '+ +30210772aabb is yannis', vassilis
16:12:48 <SusanneBoll> Thanks, I read it and will contribute to is the next weeks
16:13:34 <raphael> Vcaularies page maintained: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies
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16:15:15 <Zakim> +Patrizia_Asirelli
16:15:16 <raphael> raphael has joined #mmsem
16:17:12 <vassilis> Patriccia: where to put the comments?
16:17:52 <raphael> ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies Page: CONTINUED
16:19:05 <raphael> ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources Page: CONTINUED
16:19:16 <mhausenblas> yeah: let us go for a DOAP
16:19:45 <raphael> ACTION: Giovanni to maintain the Tool page: CONTINUED
16:19:50 <raphael> using DOAP file ?
16:19:59 <raphael> Topic: XG UPDATES
16:20:00 <chalaschek> yep thats done
16:20:38 <Melli> I will do this very soon as well
16:21:07 <raphael> ACTION: Thierry, Paul, Melli to do their wiki page
16:21:52 <raphael> ACTION: Ovidio, Stamatia to review 
16:21:52 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html  before
16:21:52 <raphael> mid October teleconf
16:21:58 <raphael> DONE
16:23:16 <raphael> zakim, who is speaking ?
16:23:27 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Patrizia_Asirelli (4%), Michael_Hausenblas (4%), raphael (30%), Stamatia.a (10%), Vassilis (15%), Suzanne (95%),
16:23:31 <Zakim> ... Jeff_Pan (33%)
16:23:33 <raphael> zakim, mute Szanne
16:23:33 <Zakim> sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'Szanne'
16:23:36 <raphael> zakim, mute Suzanne
16:23:36 <Zakim> Suzanne should now be muted
16:24:20 <iavr> zakim, mute me
16:24:20 <Zakim> sorry, iavr, I do not see a party named 'iavr'
16:24:30 <raphael> ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon
16:24:40 <raphael> ... change the css style (XG report)
16:24:58 <raphael> ... change the syntax of the examples (N3) and the graphs (IsaViz)
16:25:48 <raphael> Similarities between use cases according Patrizia
16:26:09 <raphael> Patrizia: do not real address multimedia problems
16:26:35 <mhausenblas> chairs: I plan to propose a  new UC today: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
16:26:56 <mhausenblas> this one also addresses some of Patrizias issues
16:29:19 <JeffP> Patrizia: multimedia means there are multiple media ...
16:29:32 <JeffP> but not just one kind of media
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16:29:53 <iavr> zakim, mute me
16:29:53 <Zakim> sorry, iavr, I do not see a party named 'iavr'
16:30:42 <rellero__> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/appendixA.html#multimediadef
16:31:32 <JeffP> [Anyone who want to join the discussion can simply tyle "q+" to join the queue]
16:32:11 <raphael> Topic: Music Use Case
16:32:11 <anadiotis> zakim, unmute George
16:32:11 <Zakim> George should no longer be muted
16:32:43 <raphael> Giovanni is not here ...
16:33:19 <raphael> ACTION: Giovanni, send an update status to the list of this use case as soon as possible
16:33:29 <raphael> Topic: Biomedical use case
16:33:36 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/biomedical/medicalusecase.html
16:35:00 <IoannisPratikakis> it looks a sound example
16:36:19 <iavr> zakim, iavr is me
16:36:19 <Zakim> sorry, iavr, I do not recognize a party named 'iavr'
16:36:41 <chalaschek> is this metadata represented using RDF or OWL? Or is this using another format?
16:36:48 <vassilis> zakim, aabb is iavr
16:36:49 <Zakim> sorry, vassilis, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
16:37:30 <raphael> zakim, who is here ?
16:37:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Stamatia, Suzanne (muted), Vassilis, Jeff_Pan, Stamatia.a, Patrizia_Asirelli
16:37:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see iavr, raphael, cgi-irc, JeffP, paul-thierry, IoannisPratikakis, Melli, rellero__, SusanneBoll, chalaschek, anadiotis, vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomas, mhausenblas,
16:37:36 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, Zakim
16:37:57 <raphael> zakim, Stamatia.a is iavr
16:37:57 <Zakim> +iavr; got it
16:39:43 <iavr> zakim, mute me
16:39:43 <Zakim> iavr should now be muted
16:39:49 <iavr> :-)
16:40:50 <IoannisPratikakis> please, at least scribe a summary of the conversations, otherwise IRC-only participants cannot follow 
16:41:11 <raphael> People now agree to use a subset of SNOMED for annotating bio medical use cases
16:41:27 <raphael> if this is the case, problems partially solved
16:41:44 <raphael> question: why using SW technologies ? and not purely XML solutions
16:42:09 <raphael> Ex: people annotate pictures with "mandibules" or the snomed ID, or the super concept JAW, etc ...
16:42:30 <raphael> might motivate the need for SW technologies
16:42:34 <raphael> Topic: MPEG-7 metadata interoperability use case
16:43:02 <raphael> Interoperability problems inside MPEG-7
16:43:13 <raphael> different ways to say the same thing
16:45:15 <raphael> ontologizing MPEG-7 will not be enough
16:46:22 <raphael> Solution1: create syntactic and semantic mappings (using OWL and SWRL)
16:47:06 <raphael> Solution2: K-Space approach (linking domain ontology and core ontology)
16:47:22 <raphael> Solution3: using profiles
16:47:45 <raphael> Michael: distinction between syntactic and semantic problems
16:48:13 <raphael> Topic: NewsML use case
16:49:29 <vassilis> zakim, mute me
16:49:29 <Zakim> Vassilis should now be muted
16:51:06 <vassilis> raphael: a representative from IPTC from next telecon
16:51:07 <JeffP> q?
16:52:00 <raphael> ACTION: raphael to add the NewsML entry on the vocabularies wiki page by next telecon
16:52:14 <vassilis> raphael: not yet for review. from next teleon
16:52:18 <raphael> Topic: Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case
16:52:27 <raphael> Ioannis any update ?
16:52:46 <IoannisPratikakis> there is an update wrt to the LLF UC
16:52:50 <raphael> zakim, unmute suzanne
16:52:50 <Zakim> Suzanne should no longer be muted
16:53:13 <raphael> postpone next telecon
16:53:14 <IoannisPratikakis> please, consult it and give feedback
16:53:32 <raphael> Topic: Photo Use Case
16:55:26 <raphael> similar to some extent to NewsML use case
16:57:35 <raphael> Topic: Tagging use case
16:57:54 <raphael> George: focus now on interoperability issue, drop the others
16:57:58 <raphael> zakim, mute suzanne
16:57:58 <Zakim> Suzanne should now be muted
16:58:15 <raphael> ... work on existing tagging ontology
16:59:06 <raphael> Topic: Algorithm representation Use case
16:59:11 <raphael> no real update
16:59:28 <raphael> postpone to next telecon
17:00:12 <mhausenblas> I would like to propose a new  UC: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
17:00:17 <raphael> Topic: FUTURE MEETINGS
17:00:24 <raphael> Nexf F2F meeting
17:00:33 <vassilis> zakim, unmute me
17:00:33 <Zakim> Vassilis should no longer be muted
17:00:42 <raphael> Please, fill the questionnaire at: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39139/MMSEM-FTF02/
17:00:42 <iavr> zakim, unmute me
17:00:42 <Zakim> iavr should no longer be muted
17:01:21 <mhausenblas> q+
17:01:59 <raphael> Topic: AOB
17:02:29 <raphael> New use case proposed by Michael, everybody to comment
17:03:05 <JeffP> q?
17:03:34 <Zakim> -Chris
17:03:36 <Zakim> -Thierry_Declerck
17:03:37 <Zakim> -Stamatia
17:03:38 <Zakim> -Melli
17:03:39 <Zakim> -George
17:03:40 <Zakim> -Patrizia_Asirelli
17:03:48 <Zakim> -Thomas_Franz
17:03:51 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
17:04:03 <Zakim> -Suzanne
17:05:12 <IoannisPratikakis> +q
17:26:24 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:26:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:28:15 <raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 12-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
17:28:17 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:29:56 <raphael> Present:  raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Stamatia, Suzanne, Vassilis, Jeff_Pan, Stamatia.a, Patrizia_Asirelli, IoannisPratikakis (IRC), rellero (IRC)
17:30:00 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:30:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:30:12 <Zakim> -Vassilis
17:30:19 <Zakim> -iavr
17:30:20 <Zakim> -Jeff_Pan
17:30:22 <Zakim> INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
17:30:23 <Zakim> Attendees were +20592aaaa, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne, raphael, Stamatia, Suzanne, Vassilis, Jeff_Pan,
17:30:26 <Zakim> ... Patrizia_Asirelli, +30210772aabb, iavr
17:30:55 <raphael> Present:  Raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Stamatia, Suzanne, Vassilis, Jeff_Pan, Yannis, Patrizia_Asirelli, IoannisPratikakis(IRC), rellero(IRC)
17:30:57 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:30:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:31:02 <raphael> Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 12-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
17:31:11 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:31:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:31:43 <raphael> Scribe: Raphael
17:31:46 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:31:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:33:07 <raphael> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:33:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
17:34:16 <raphael> exit
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