IRC log of mmsem on 2006-10-12
Timestamps are in UTC.
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-irc
- 15:49:50 [raphael]
- raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 12-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
- 15:51:23 [raphael]
- zakim, which conferences ?
- 15:51:23 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, raphael.
- 15:51:40 [raphael]
- zakim, list
- 15:51:40 [Zakim]
- I see DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM active
- 15:51:42 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are VB_VBWG()10:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM
- 15:51:49 [raphael]
- zakim, this is INC_MMSEM
- 15:51:49 [Zakim]
- ok, raphael; that matches INC_MMSEM()12:00PM
- 15:52:07 [raphael]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2006Oct/0013.html
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- present+ Raphael
- 15:52:46 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:52:46 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 15:53:02 [raphael]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 15:53:19 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:53:19 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 15:54:59 [raphael]
- Scribe: raphael
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- Regrets+ Jacco, Paola, Ovidio, Pasquale
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- rrsagent, make logs visible
- 15:56:33 [raphael]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 15:56:56 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:56:56 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 15:57:00 [Zakim]
- +Michael_Hausenblas
- 15:57:22 [raphael]
- present+ Michael
- 15:57:49 [raphael]
- Regrets: Jacco, Paola, Ovidio, Pasquale
- 15:58:00 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 15:58:00 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
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- +Thomas_Franz
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- +[UMD]
- 16:00:21 [raphael]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 16:00:21 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +20592aaaa, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, [UMD]
- 16:00:21 [anadiotis]
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- 16:00:24 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomasFranz, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
- 16:00:32 [raphael]
- zakim, [UMD] is Chris
- 16:00:40 [Zakim]
- +Chris; got it
- 16:00:57 [chalaschek]
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- +Thierry_Declerck
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- 16:02:06 [rellero__]
- Hi, i'm sorry can connect only in irc today
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- +[CWI]
- 16:02:27 [patriziaasirelli]
- Hi all, from Patrizia, Massimo & Suzanne
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- zakim, CWI is George
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- +George; got it
- 16:02:53 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 16:03:01 [IoannisPratikakis]
- hello from Athens
- 16:03:08 [thomasFranz]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:03:08 [Zakim]
- Thomas_Franz should now be muted
- 16:03:27 [raphael]
- zakim, ??P9 is Melli
- 16:03:27 [Zakim]
- +Melli; got it
- 16:03:31 [raphael]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 16:03:31 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +20592aaaa, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz (muted), Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli
- 16:03:33 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see paul-thierry, IoannisPratikakis, Melli, rellero__, SusanneBoll, chalaschek, anadiotis, vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomasFranz, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
- 16:03:43 [Zakim]
- +??P13
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- zakim, ??P13 is Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne
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- +Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne; got it
- 16:04:22 [raphael]
- zakim, +20592 is me
- 16:04:23 [Zakim]
- +raphael; got it
- 16:04:28 [raphael]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 16:04:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz (muted), Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne
- 16:04:30 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see JeffP, paul-thierry, IoannisPratikakis, Melli, rellero__, SusanneBoll, chalaschek, anadiotis, vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomasFranz, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim,
- 16:04:33 [Zakim]
- ... raphael
- 16:05:27 [thomas]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:05:27 [Zakim]
- Thomas_Franz should no longer be muted
- 16:05:34 [Zakim]
- +[ITI]
- 16:05:43 [raphael]
- zakim, ITI is Stamatia
- 16:05:44 [Zakim]
- +Stamatia; got it
- 16:05:56 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 16:06:01 [raphael]
- zakim, who is speaking
- 16:06:01 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is speaking', raphael
- 16:06:03 [raphael]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 16:06:11 [SusanneBoll]
- Susanne Boll
- 16:06:14 [Zakim]
- raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 10 (12%), Thierry_Declerck (18%), raphael (19%), Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne (22%), Stamatia (13%), [IPcaller]
- 16:06:18 [Zakim]
- ... (28%)
- 16:06:19 [Zakim]
- +[IVML]
- 16:06:30 [raphael]
- zakim, IPcaller is Suzanne
- 16:06:30 [Zakim]
- +Suzanne; got it
- 16:06:37 [raphael]
- zakim, IVML is Vassilis
- 16:06:38 [Zakim]
- +Vassilis; got it
- 16:06:55 [raphael]
- zakim, mute Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne
- 16:06:55 [Zakim]
- Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne should now be muted
- 16:07:00 [raphael]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 16:07:10 [Zakim]
- +Jeff_Pan
- 16:07:10 [Zakim]
- raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Thierry_Declerck (15%), Michael_Hausenblas (4%), George (6%), raphael (65%), Stamatia (9%)
- 16:07:22 [raphael]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 16:07:22 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne (muted), Stamatia, Suzanne, Vassilis, Jeff_Pan
- 16:07:25 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see JeffP, paul-thierry, IoannisPratikakis, Melli, rellero__, SusanneBoll, chalaschek, anadiotis, vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomas, mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, raphael
- 16:07:46 [vassilis]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:07:46 [Zakim]
- Vassilis should now be muted
- 16:08:36 [raphael]
- Chair: JeffP
- 16:09:19 [raphael]
- Topic: ADMIN
- 16:09:22 [patriziaasirelli]
- I am having problem with my telephone I shall riconnect in a minute
- 16:09:27 [Zakim]
- -Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne
- 16:10:15 [chalaschek]
- none here
- 16:10:19 [thomas]
- accept it
- 16:10:20 [vassilis]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:10:20 [Zakim]
- Vassilis should no longer be muted
- 16:10:28 [raphael]
- Minutes of the 02 October 2006 telecon: ACCEPTED
- 16:10:36 [raphael]
- including the decisions taken
- 16:10:40 [chalaschek]
- none here
- 16:10:52 [raphael]
- Next telecon 26 October 2006: ACCEPTED
- 16:11:08 [anadiotis]
- zakim mute me
- 16:11:17 [anadiotis]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:11:18 [Zakim]
- sorry, anadiotis, I do not see a party named 'anadiotis'
- 16:11:18 [cgi-irc]
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- 16:11:23 [Zakim]
- +Patrizia_Asirelli
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- -Patrizia_Asirelli
- 16:11:37 [anadiotis]
- zakim, mute George
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- George should now be muted
- 16:11:55 [mhausenblas]
- one remark wrt http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Liaison - looks orphaned
- 16:12:00 [Zakim]
- + +30210772aabb
- 16:12:09 [raphael]
- Topic: LIAISON
- 16:12:17 [cgi-irc]
- Zakim, aabb is Stamatia
- 16:12:18 [Zakim]
- +Stamatia; got it
- 16:12:25 [vassilis]
- zakim, + +30210772aabb is yannis
- 16:12:25 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '+ +30210772aabb is yannis', vassilis
- 16:12:48 [SusanneBoll]
- Thanks, I read it and will contribute to is the next weeks
- 16:13:34 [raphael]
- Vcaularies page maintained: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies
- 16:14:03 [iavr]
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- +Patrizia_Asirelli
- 16:15:16 [raphael]
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- 16:17:12 [vassilis]
- Patriccia: where to put the comments?
- 16:17:52 [raphael]
- ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies Page: CONTINUED
- 16:19:05 [raphael]
- ACTION: Pasquale to maintain the Resources Page: CONTINUED
- 16:19:16 [mhausenblas]
- yeah: let us go for a DOAP
- 16:19:45 [raphael]
- ACTION: Giovanni to maintain the Tool page: CONTINUED
- 16:19:50 [raphael]
- using DOAP file ?
- 16:19:59 [raphael]
- Topic: XG UPDATES
- 16:20:00 [chalaschek]
- yep thats done
- 16:20:38 [Melli]
- I will do this very soon as well
- 16:21:07 [raphael]
- ACTION: Thierry, Paul, Melli to do their wiki page
- 16:21:52 [raphael]
- ACTION: Ovidio, Stamatia to review
- 16:21:52 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/MM/image_annotation.html before
- 16:21:52 [raphael]
- mid October teleconf
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- DONE
- 16:23:16 [raphael]
- zakim, who is speaking ?
- 16:23:27 [Zakim]
- raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Patrizia_Asirelli (4%), Michael_Hausenblas (4%), raphael (30%), Stamatia.a (10%), Vassilis (15%), Suzanne (95%),
- 16:23:31 [Zakim]
- ... Jeff_Pan (33%)
- 16:23:33 [raphael]
- zakim, mute Szanne
- 16:23:33 [Zakim]
- sorry, raphael, I do not see a party named 'Szanne'
- 16:23:36 [raphael]
- zakim, mute Suzanne
- 16:23:36 [Zakim]
- Suzanne should now be muted
- 16:24:20 [iavr]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:24:20 [Zakim]
- sorry, iavr, I do not see a party named 'iavr'
- 16:24:30 [raphael]
- ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon
- 16:24:40 [raphael]
- ... change the css style (XG report)
- 16:24:58 [raphael]
- ... change the syntax of the examples (N3) and the graphs (IsaViz)
- 16:25:48 [raphael]
- Similarities between use cases according Patrizia
- 16:26:09 [raphael]
- Patrizia: do not real address multimedia problems
- 16:26:35 [mhausenblas]
- chairs: I plan to propose a new UC today: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
- 16:26:56 [mhausenblas]
- this one also addresses some of Patrizias issues
- 16:29:19 [JeffP]
- Patrizia: multimedia means there are multiple media ...
- 16:29:32 [JeffP]
- but not just one kind of media
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- 16:29:53 [iavr]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:29:53 [Zakim]
- sorry, iavr, I do not see a party named 'iavr'
- 16:30:42 [rellero__]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/appendixA.html#multimediadef
- 16:31:32 [JeffP]
- [Anyone who want to join the discussion can simply tyle "q+" to join the queue]
- 16:32:11 [raphael]
- Topic: Music Use Case
- 16:32:11 [anadiotis]
- zakim, unmute George
- 16:32:11 [Zakim]
- George should no longer be muted
- 16:32:43 [raphael]
- Giovanni is not here ...
- 16:33:19 [raphael]
- ACTION: Giovanni, send an update status to the list of this use case as soon as possible
- 16:33:29 [raphael]
- Topic: Biomedical use case
- 16:33:36 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/biomedical/medicalusecase.html
- 16:35:00 [IoannisPratikakis]
- it looks a sound example
- 16:36:19 [iavr]
- zakim, iavr is me
- 16:36:19 [Zakim]
- sorry, iavr, I do not recognize a party named 'iavr'
- 16:36:41 [chalaschek]
- is this metadata represented using RDF or OWL? Or is this using another format?
- 16:36:48 [vassilis]
- zakim, aabb is iavr
- 16:36:49 [Zakim]
- sorry, vassilis, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
- 16:37:30 [raphael]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 16:37:30 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Stamatia, Suzanne (muted), Vassilis, Jeff_Pan, Stamatia.a, Patrizia_Asirelli
- 16:37:34 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see iavr, raphael, cgi-irc, JeffP, paul-thierry, IoannisPratikakis, Melli, rellero__, SusanneBoll, chalaschek, anadiotis, vassilis, patriziaasirelli, thomas, mhausenblas,
- 16:37:36 [Zakim]
- ... RRSAgent, Zakim
- 16:37:57 [raphael]
- zakim, Stamatia.a is iavr
- 16:37:57 [Zakim]
- +iavr; got it
- 16:39:43 [iavr]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:39:43 [Zakim]
- iavr should now be muted
- 16:39:49 [iavr]
- :-)
- 16:40:50 [IoannisPratikakis]
- please, at least scribe a summary of the conversations, otherwise IRC-only participants cannot follow
- 16:41:11 [raphael]
- People now agree to use a subset of SNOMED for annotating bio medical use cases
- 16:41:27 [raphael]
- if this is the case, problems partially solved
- 16:41:44 [raphael]
- question: why using SW technologies ? and not purely XML solutions
- 16:42:09 [raphael]
- Ex: people annotate pictures with "mandibules" or the snomed ID, or the super concept JAW, etc ...
- 16:42:30 [raphael]
- might motivate the need for SW technologies
- 16:42:34 [raphael]
- Topic: MPEG-7 metadata interoperability use case
- 16:43:02 [raphael]
- Interoperability problems inside MPEG-7
- 16:43:13 [raphael]
- different ways to say the same thing
- 16:45:15 [raphael]
- ontologizing MPEG-7 will not be enough
- 16:46:22 [raphael]
- Solution1: create syntactic and semantic mappings (using OWL and SWRL)
- 16:47:06 [raphael]
- Solution2: K-Space approach (linking domain ontology and core ontology)
- 16:47:22 [raphael]
- Solution3: using profiles
- 16:47:45 [raphael]
- Michael: distinction between syntactic and semantic problems
- 16:48:13 [raphael]
- Topic: NewsML use case
- 16:49:29 [vassilis]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:49:29 [Zakim]
- Vassilis should now be muted
- 16:51:06 [vassilis]
- raphael: a representative from IPTC from next telecon
- 16:51:07 [JeffP]
- q?
- 16:52:00 [raphael]
- ACTION: raphael to add the NewsML entry on the vocabularies wiki page by next telecon
- 16:52:14 [vassilis]
- raphael: not yet for review. from next teleon
- 16:52:18 [raphael]
- Topic: Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case
- 16:52:27 [raphael]
- Ioannis any update ?
- 16:52:46 [IoannisPratikakis]
- there is an update wrt to the LLF UC
- 16:52:50 [raphael]
- zakim, unmute suzanne
- 16:52:50 [Zakim]
- Suzanne should no longer be muted
- 16:53:13 [raphael]
- postpone next telecon
- 16:53:14 [IoannisPratikakis]
- please, consult it and give feedback
- 16:53:32 [raphael]
- Topic: Photo Use Case
- 16:55:26 [raphael]
- similar to some extent to NewsML use case
- 16:57:35 [raphael]
- Topic: Tagging use case
- 16:57:54 [raphael]
- George: focus now on interoperability issue, drop the others
- 16:57:58 [raphael]
- zakim, mute suzanne
- 16:57:58 [Zakim]
- Suzanne should now be muted
- 16:58:15 [raphael]
- ... work on existing tagging ontology
- 16:59:06 [raphael]
- Topic: Algorithm representation Use case
- 16:59:11 [raphael]
- no real update
- 16:59:28 [raphael]
- postpone to next telecon
- 17:00:12 [mhausenblas]
- I would like to propose a new UC: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Building_multimedial_Semantic_Web_Applications
- 17:00:17 [raphael]
- Topic: FUTURE MEETINGS
- 17:00:24 [raphael]
- Nexf F2F meeting
- 17:00:33 [vassilis]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:00:33 [Zakim]
- Vassilis should no longer be muted
- 17:00:42 [raphael]
- Please, fill the questionnaire at: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39139/MMSEM-FTF02/
- 17:00:42 [iavr]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:00:42 [Zakim]
- iavr should no longer be muted
- 17:01:21 [mhausenblas]
- q+
- 17:01:59 [raphael]
- Topic: AOB
- 17:02:29 [raphael]
- New use case proposed by Michael, everybody to comment
- 17:03:05 [JeffP]
- q?
- 17:03:34 [Zakim]
- -Chris
- 17:03:36 [Zakim]
- -Thierry_Declerck
- 17:03:37 [Zakim]
- -Stamatia
- 17:03:38 [Zakim]
- -Melli
- 17:03:39 [Zakim]
- -George
- 17:03:40 [Zakim]
- -Patrizia_Asirelli
- 17:03:48 [Zakim]
- -Thomas_Franz
- 17:03:51 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Hausenblas
- 17:04:03 [Zakim]
- -Suzanne
- 17:05:12 [IoannisPratikakis]
- +q
- 17:26:24 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:26:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 17:28:15 [raphael]
- Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 12-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
- 17:28:17 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:28:17 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 17:29:56 [raphael]
- Present: raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Stamatia, Suzanne, Vassilis, Jeff_Pan, Stamatia.a, Patrizia_Asirelli, IoannisPratikakis (IRC), rellero (IRC)
- 17:30:00 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:30:00 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 17:30:12 [Zakim]
- -Vassilis
- 17:30:19 [Zakim]
- -iavr
- 17:30:20 [Zakim]
- -Jeff_Pan
- 17:30:22 [Zakim]
- INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
- 17:30:23 [Zakim]
- Attendees were +20592aaaa, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Patrizia_Massimo_Susanne, raphael, Stamatia, Suzanne, Vassilis, Jeff_Pan,
- 17:30:26 [Zakim]
- ... Patrizia_Asirelli, +30210772aabb, iavr
- 17:30:55 [raphael]
- Present: Raphael, Michael_Hausenblas, Thomas_Franz, Chris, Thierry_Declerck, George, Melli, Stamatia, Suzanne, Vassilis, Jeff_Pan, Yannis, Patrizia_Asirelli, IoannisPratikakis(IRC), rellero(IRC)
- 17:30:57 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:30:57 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 17:31:02 [raphael]
- Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 12-10-2006, 16:00 UTC
- 17:31:11 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:31:11 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 17:31:43 [raphael]
- Scribe: Raphael
- 17:31:46 [raphael]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:31:46 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
- 17:33:07 [raphael]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 17:33:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/12-mmsem-minutes.html raphael
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- exit
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