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14:57:03 <RalphS> Meeting: SemWeb Deployment WG
14:57:09 <RalphS> zakim, who's on the call?
14:57:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tom_Baker
14:57:33 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0001.html
14:58:03 <Zakim> +Ralph
14:59:12 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
14:59:26 <Zakim> +??P17
14:59:54 <RalphS> zakim, ??p17 is Sean_Bechhofer
14:59:54 <Zakim> +Sean_Bechhofer; got it
15:00:34 <Zakim> +Stephane
15:00:53 <berrueta> berrueta has joined #swd
15:00:54 <Zakim> + +44.120.682.aaaa
15:01:05 <FabienGandon> zakim, Stephane is FabienGandon
15:01:09 <Zakim> +FabienGandon; got it
15:01:17 <RalphS> zakim, aaaa is Bernard_Horan
15:01:21 <Zakim> +Bernard_Horan; got it
15:01:23 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
15:01:41 <FabienGandon> zakim, who's on the call?
15:01:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tom_Baker, Ralph, Sean_Bechhofer, FabienGandon, Bernard_Horan
15:01:48 <RalphS> agenda+ Admin
15:01:58 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:01:58 <RalphS> agenda+ Review of Charter / Work Planning
15:02:11 <RalphS> agenda+ WG Organization
15:03:10 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
15:03:11 <RalphS> zakim, ibm Daniel_Rubin
15:03:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ibm Daniel_Rubin', RalphS
15:03:18 <RalphS> zakim, ibm is really Daniel_Rubin
15:03:18 <Zakim> +Daniel_Rubin; got it
15:03:40 <Zakim> +??P50
15:03:53 <berrueta> Zakim, ??P50 is me
15:03:53 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
15:03:55 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber.a
15:03:58 <berrueta> Zakim, mute me
15:03:58 <Zakim> berrueta should now be muted
15:04:39 <RalphS> Chair: Tom, Guus
15:04:54 <Antoine> zakim, Guus_Schreiber.a may be Antoine
15:04:54 <Zakim> +Antoine?; got it
15:06:22 <RalphS> Regrets: Ben_Adida, Elisa_Kendall
15:06:32 <Zakim> -Antoine?
15:08:19 <Guus> Guus has joined #swd
15:09:13 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/ WG home page
15:09:37 <RalphS> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:09:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from RalphS]
15:09:58 <Zakim> + +31.20.598.aabb - is perhaps Antoine?
15:10:10 <RalphS> zakim, aabb is really Antoine
15:10:10 <Zakim> sorry, RalphS, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:10:12 <RalphS> zakim, who's here?
15:10:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tom_Baker, Ralph, Sean_Bechhofer, FabienGandon, Bernard_Horan, Daniel_Rubin, Guus_Schreiber, berrueta (muted), Antoine?
15:10:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see Guus, berrueta, RRSAgent, TomB, seanb, Antoine, FabienGandon, Zakim, RalphS
15:10:37 <berrueta> zakim, unmute me
15:10:38 <Zakim> berrueta should no longer be muted
15:10:48 <Antoine> zakim, +31.20.598.aabb is Antoine
15:10:48 <Zakim> sorry, Antoine, I do not recognize a party named '+31.20.598.aabb'
15:11:31 <Antoine> zakim, +31.20.598.aabb may be Antoine
15:11:31 <Zakim> sorry, Antoine, I do not understand your question
15:12:26 <RalphS> Guus: in "W3C speak", the term "member" means an organization and the term "participant" means individuals like you and me
15:12:36 <RalphS> Topic: 1.3 Teleconferences
15:13:29 <RalphS> Guus: Bernard has already expressed difficulties with this teleconference time
15:13:52 <RalphS> ... intention is that UTC time is not fixed; we will shift by an hour when the US changes its clock
15:14:03 <RalphS> ... this year both US and Europe change on 29 October
15:14:16 <RalphS> ... at present we have no Asian participants
15:14:26 <RalphS> ... W3C tradition is that scribe duties rotate around the WG
15:14:31 <RalphS> ... we scribe in irc
15:15:09 <RalphS> ... if you don't have an irc client, you can use a Web browser with the W3C cgi-irc interface; I've been using it successfully for several years
15:15:23 <RalphS> Scribe: Ralph
15:16:35 <Bern> Bern has joined #swd
15:18:13 <TomB> I use ChatZilla - http://www.hacksrus.com/~ginda/chatzilla/ - as a plug-in for Mozilla
15:20:17 <RalphS> Guus: this WG operates in the public view
15:20:50 <RalphS> ... so Member Access is not necessary for any WG materials, only for other protected things such as Coordination Group records
15:21:42 <RalphS> Tom: I live in Berlin
15:22:40 <RalphS> Ralph: I live an hour outside of Boston
15:23:19 <RalphS> Sean: I live in Manchester, UK
15:23:48 <RalphS> ... participated in WebOnt
15:23:53 <RalphS> ... interested in delivery of SKOS
15:23:58 <RalphS> ... have a connection to KnowledgWeb
15:24:14 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0006.html Tom's introduction
15:24:18 <RalphS> Fabien: I live in Cannes
15:24:26 <RalphS> ... am a member of INRIA
15:24:41 <RalphS> ... team has background in knowledge representation and knowledge management
15:24:46 <RalphS> ... also participate in the GRDDL WG
15:25:25 <RalphS> Bernard: work for Sun Microsystems Labs and reside in the UK though I report to Sun in Burlington MA
15:25:35 <Guus> zakim, who'sd talking
15:25:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who'sd talking', Guus
15:26:18 <RalphS> Bernard: working on COSHE project with Sean in Manchester
15:26:45 <RalphS> Daniel: work at Stanford Univ as part of Center for Biomedical Ontology
15:27:01 <RalphS> ... also participate in HCLSIG
15:27:42 <RalphS> Diego: work in the Semantic Web project at CTIC in Spain
15:28:29 <RalphS> Antoine: work at Vrije Universitat in Amsterdam and also on a national archives project
15:28:40 <RalphS> Guus: I also work at Vrije Universitat
15:28:44 <Bern> COHSE project -- http://cohse.semanticweb.org/
15:28:52 <RalphS> ... was co-chair of WebOnt and SemWeb Best Practices WG
15:29:05 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0005.html Guus' introduction
15:29:32 <RalphS> Guus: hope that there can be sharing between KnowledgeWeb and this WG
15:29:51 <RalphS> Topic: 1.4 W3C Process
15:29:58 <RalphS> Guus: We are a Recommendation-Track Working Group
15:30:15 <RalphS> ... we have a number of deliverables, one of which [SKOS] is already identified as a Recommendation
15:30:48 <RalphS> ... the Recommendation process requires the documents to move along a process from Working Draft to Last Call to testing via Candidate Recommendation
15:30:54 <Antoine> isn't SKOS a working draft?
15:31:18 <RalphS> ... see -> http://www.w3.org/Guide/ Art of Consensus
15:31:33 <RalphS> ... SKOS is already a Working Draft, yes
15:31:51 <RalphS> ... to start a Recommendation track we like to have a document already available
15:32:19 <RalphS> Tom: Alistair is traveling today after Dublin Core meeting, sends regrets
15:34:29 <RalphS> Guus: we have 5 deliverables mentioned in the charter
15:34:39 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/swdwg-charter WG charter
15:34:56 <RalphS> Guus: one of the 5 is explicitly expected to be a Recommendation
15:35:25 <RalphS> ... the other 4 we have the ability to decide whether the end state is a Note or a Recommendation
15:38:39 <TomB> RalphS: As one is working on document, publishing for public consumption, expectation that Editors' Drafts are visible. When published, they show up on Reports page.  If our intended goal is Note, not a Recommendation, we are encouraged not to call the documents "Working Drafts".   We publish versions not in final form - generally important to inform community about level of stability of...
15:38:40 <TomB> ...documents (paragraphs about status).  If we decide to go to Recommendation or to go to Note makes a difference in how we proceed.
15:39:07 <RalphS> Ralph: there's some consideration about how we name interim versions of a published technical report if we're intending the end state to be Note or Recommendation
15:40:06 <RalphS> Guus: the WG charter contains a schedule but it's up to the WG to fill in the details
15:41:00 <TomB> Guus: Charter is there to give us clear scoping - changes can be proposed and are discussed in Semantic Web Coordination Group.
15:41:21 <RalphS> Guus: as chairs, part of our responsibility is to determine whether a proposal is in or out of scope for our charter
15:43:05 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0008.html Antoine's introduction
15:43:16 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0009.html Sean's introduction
15:43:25 <RalphS> move to next agendum
15:43:25 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review of Charter / Work Planning" taken up [from RalphS]
15:43:40 <RalphS> Guus: see -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/swdwg-charter#sec2 deliverables
15:44:18 <RalphS> ... 5 deliverables mentioned: SKOS, ...
15:44:33 <RalphS> ... we have the most input on this deliverable
15:44:55 <RalphS> ... we need to draft a use cases and requirements document for SKOS
15:45:12 <RalphS> ... this UCR document will be the basis for judging whether the proposed SKOS Recommendation is complete
15:45:22 <RalphS> ... hope for use cases from Stanford and other groups
15:45:48 <RalphS> Daniel: absolutely
15:46:05 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2006Oct/0010.html Diego's introduction
15:46:21 <TomB> Alistair made a presentation on requirements for SKOS last week in Mexico
15:46:23 <RalphS> Guus: I expect the WG to work on SKOS UCR for the rest of this year
15:46:25 <TomB> http://dc2006.ucol.mx/papers/miercoles/10.30/presentation.pdf
15:46:48 <TomB> 1+
15:46:53 <TomB> q+
15:47:33 <RalphS> Guus: W3C Notes have a slightly lesser status; they give guidelines but are not necessarily standards
15:48:24 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/
15:48:53 <RalphS> Guus: second deliverable is a Note or Recommendation on best practices for publishing RDF and OWL ontologies
15:49:27 <RalphS> Guus: third deliverable is guidelines for namespaces and versioning
15:49:56 <RalphS> ... we do not yet have a draft for this
15:50:18 <RalphS> Ralph: there are some collected informal notes from the Best Practices WG though not a published document
15:50:47 <RalphS> Guus: fourth deliverable is a document on using OWL for cross-application integration
15:50:57 <RalphS> ... Mike Uschold did some draft work on this
15:51:22 <RalphS> ... fifth deliverable is joint between SWD and the HTML WG on incorporating RDF into HTML documents
15:51:36 <RalphS> ... there are existing Working Drafts on this work as well
15:52:33 <RalphS> Ralph: use cases and requirements for RDFa are important to do soon also
15:53:07 <RalphS> Tom: see Alistair's presentation last week at DC2006 on SKOS requirements
15:53:45 <RalphS> Guus: for next telecon, please take a look at Alistair's presentation
15:54:00 <RalphS> ... we'll talk about approach to gathering UCR documents next week
15:54:05 <TomB> Guus: Next week, start with SKOS requirements - how to approach the task of getting together a use-case and requirements document.
15:54:18 <RalphS> move to next agendum
15:54:19 <Zakim> agendum 3. "WG Organization" taken up [from RalphS]
15:54:40 <RalphS> Guus: we encourage all communication within the WG to go via the mailing list
15:55:02 <RalphS> ... if we decide to break up the work into subgroups we may decide on certain Subject tags
15:55:09 <RalphS> ... we discourage bilateral communication off-list
15:55:35 <RalphS> ... W3C tries to keep the process as open as possible; people outside the group should be able to see the discussion, the rationale, and so on
15:56:07 <RalphS> ... I would like to have input on any missing expertise within the WG
15:56:34 <RalphS> ... for example, to move SKOS to Recommendation we want to show there are tools that handle SKOS and we need to think about testing
15:57:05 <RalphS> Daniel: what do you mean by "handle"; for example, you can bring SKOS into Protege
15:57:18 <RalphS> Guus: in WebOnt we defined some features and test suites
15:57:37 <RalphS> ... for every feature we wanted two implementations
15:57:57 <RalphS> ... in SKOS I would assume that a successful implementation would read in SKOS and interpret it in the intended way
15:58:40 <RalphS> ... SKOS may be the first non-representational SemWeb language that the W3C is doing; it is more of a pattern
15:58:52 <RalphS> ... our test suite should be easily usable by tool developers
15:59:18 <RalphS> ... and help measure whether our specification fulfills the requirements we initially laid out
15:59:42 <RalphS> ... perhaps in a future telecon Sean can describe how this worked in WebOnt?
15:59:46 <RalphS> Sean: sure
16:00:20 <TomB> Guus: Normally, f2f meetings are for making key decisions, such as SKOS requirements.
16:00:23 <TomB> q-
16:00:29 <RalphS> Guus: Tom and I will do some initial planning on face-to-face scheduling and venue
16:00:50 <RalphS> ... f2f usually are two days and try to take advantage of colocation with other events
16:01:20 <TomB> RalphS: Next Technical Plenary - week where all WGs encouraged to meet - will be Nov 2007
16:01:42 <TomB> ...smaller version of that being arranged for Jan 2007 - week of Jan 22
16:01:58 <TomB> ...we could have space there. Will be at MIT.  Smaller than Tech Plenary.
16:02:15 <TomB> ...If we want that space, need to say so very soon.
16:03:11 <TomB> Jan 22+ would be inconvenient
16:03:16 <RalphS> straw poll for January meeting
16:03:25 <RalphS> Ralph: in favor of meeting that week
16:03:40 <RalphS> Tom: neutral but inconvenient for me
16:03:49 <RalphS> Sean: in favor but timing not great
16:04:06 <RalphS> Fabien: I would be able to attend
16:04:10 <RalphS> Bernard: fine for me
16:04:17 <RalphS> Daniel: unsure
16:04:33 <RalphS> Guus: not sure
16:04:37 <RalphS> Diego: ok for me
16:05:01 <RalphS> Antoine: unsure, depends on whether there is another meeting next to it
16:05:33 <TomB> RalphS: will take an option in order to reserve the possibility
16:05:56 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph communicate to January meeting planners our desire to keep the option for f2f open for a couple more weeks
16:06:31 <RalphS> next meeting: 17 Oct, 1500 UTC
16:06:35 <Zakim> -Daniel_Rubin
16:06:37 <RalphS> [adjourned]
16:06:37 <Zakim> -FabienGandon
16:06:38 <Zakim> -Bernard_Horan
16:06:40 <Zakim> -Tom_Baker
16:06:41 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
16:06:43 <Zakim> -Antoine?
16:06:47 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:06:49 <Zakim> -Sean_Bechhofer
16:07:02 <Zakim> -berrueta
16:07:06 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
16:07:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Tom_Baker, Ralph, Guus_Schreiber, Sean_Bechhofer, +44.120.682.aaaa, FabienGandon, Bernard_Horan, Daniel_Rubin, berrueta, Antoine?, +31.20.598.aabb
16:07:35 <RalphS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:07:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-swd-minutes.html RalphS
16:07:44 <RalphS> rrsagent, make record public
16:07:47 <RalphS> zakim, bye
16:07:47 <Zakim> Zakim has left #swd
16:08:15 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
16:08:15 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-swd-actions.rdf :
16:08:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph communicate to January meeting planners our desire to keep the option for f2f open for a couple more weeks [1]
16:08:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-swd-irc#T16-05-56