IRC log of i18ncore on 2006-10-10

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meeting: i18n core WG
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chair: Francois
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scribe: Felix
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scribeNick: fsasaki
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Oct/0007.html
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rrsagent, make log public
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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
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+Felix
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [ is fyergeau
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+fyergeau; got it
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zakim, dial richard
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ok, r12a; the call is being made
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+Richard
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topic: action items
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Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list (ONGOING)
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Francois: waiting for a reply from Chris Lilley
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action: Francois to give input to wiki for the LTLI summary (ONGOING)
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Francois: started on that
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action: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list (ONGOING)
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action: Richard to send his mail on bidi-override scope in CSS2 and CSS 2.1 to www-international and the style-list, and copy the BIDI-unicode list (ONGOING)
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action: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING)
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action: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws-i18n (ONGOING)
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action: Felix to look for possible participants (esp. implementors) for the WS i18n work (ONGOING)
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Felix: made a presentation at the WS-CG, need to do more recruting
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topic: ITS review and reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JulSep/0174.html
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Richard: we would only reply to the original question, which shoud be fine now
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.. I'd just say: fine, close it
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Francois: fine with me as well
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rrsagent, where am I?
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See http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-14-33
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Richard: link to the document were the changes were made
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s/document/the place in the document/
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iri description at http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html#iri-usage
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Richard: IRI section looks o.k.
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Francois: future proove is maybe a problem. If there are changes it is easy to loose track of that section and update it
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Richard: better say "RFC 3987 or its successor"
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action: Felix to change the reference to RFC 3987 to "RFC 3987 or its successor" and go back to Martin
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topic: Reply to XML Schema issue from Francois
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mail from Martin at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0003.html
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Francois: wait another week for Martin, Felix to ping Martin and Mary
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action: Felix to ping Martin and Mary on the XML Schema issue
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topic: Discussion of time zone issues
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-owl-time-20060927/#timezone
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2006Oct/0001.html
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Francois: Mark said the ontology is too western centric
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.. e.g. durations are not translatable directly between calendars
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Felix: how should the change the ontology model to avoid this translation problem?
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.. maybe just tell them the problem, they need to fix it
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.. we could also point them to http://www.w3.org/TR/timezone/
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.. our WG note on timezone, e..g with regard to terminology ("offest" versus "timezone")
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.. they are also not aware of Olson IDs
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action: everybody to look for issues in http://www.w3.org/TR/timezone/ until next call
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topic: ws i18n comments from Eric
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006OctDec/0000.html
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Felix: just to make you aware of this
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.. no need to follow up
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topic: i18n rechartering
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Richard: currently the ws i18n wg is expected to work on ws i18n wg and LTLI document
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.. Felix and plh discussed whether the LTLI spec should be in the ws i18n WG
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.. I understand the rationale of the idea, it goes into the direction to have a general specification WG
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Francois: historically LTLI is based on ws i18n, but if LTLI is relevant for other groups as well, we could have it in the same group as the charmod specs
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Richard: how about having the "i18n development WG"?
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Francois: I'd prefer "infrastructure", but could live with "development"
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Richard: o.k., let's go back to Philippe and discuss
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topic: any other business
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-fyergeau
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-Richard
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-Felix
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I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Felix, [IPcaller], fyergeau, Richard
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Felix I will attend the XSL-FO workshop next week in Germany
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Francois: we want to give input, would be good to get a summary of the workshop, if available
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Felix: I will take care of that
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adjourned
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present: Felix, Francois, Richard
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Francois to give input to wiki for the LTLI summary (ONGOING) [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-08-50
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ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list (ONGOING) [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-09-15
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ACTION: Richard to send his mail on bidi-override scope in CSS2 and CSS 2.1 to www-international and the style-list, and copy the BIDI-unicode list (ONGOING) [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-09-38
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ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-09-55
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ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws-i18n (ONGOING) [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-10-14
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ACTION: Felix to look for possible participants (esp. implementors) for the WS i18n work (ONGOING) [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-10-43
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ACTION: Felix to change the reference to RFC 3987 to "RFC 3987 or its successor" and go back to Martin [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-20-14
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ACTION: Felix to ping Martin and Mary on the XML Schema issue [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-22-48
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ACTION: everybody to look for issues in http://www.w3.org/TR/timezone/ until next call [9]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/10-i18ncore-irc#T14-33-16
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zakim, bye
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