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13:27:18 <Marc> zakim, this is INC_EMOXG
13:27:18 <Zakim> Marc, I see INC_EMOXG()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be INC_EMOXG".
13:27:28 <Marc> zakim, this will be INC_EMOXG
13:27:28 <Zakim> ok, Marc; I see INC_EMOXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
13:28:09 <Marc> zakim, read agenda from http://whatfettle.com/2006/07/RDFAgenda/http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2006Oct/0004.html
13:28:09 <Zakim> working on it, Marc
13:28:14 <Zakim> agenda+ Pick a scribe
13:28:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
13:28:17 <Zakim> agenda+ Minutes of previous meeting
13:28:18 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
13:28:20 <Zakim> agenda+ Reviewing action items from previous meeting
13:28:23 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
13:28:24 <Zakim> agenda+ Discussion of use cases
13:28:25 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
13:28:27 <Zakim> agenda+ Extract requirements from use cases
13:28:28 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
13:28:29 <Zakim> agenda+ Date of next meeting
13:28:30 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
13:28:31 <Zakim> agenda+ Any other business
13:28:32 <Zakim> agendum 7 added
13:28:33 <Zakim> done reading agenda, Marc
13:29:59 <Marc> agenda?
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13:43:18 <smartweb> hello, testing ;-)
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13:45:21 <felix> testing again
13:46:58 <felix>   what item is this?
13:48:29 <Marc> agenda?
13:52:13 <Rob> Rob has joined #emotion
13:52:47 <Zakim> INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has now started
13:52:54 <Zakim> +??P7
13:53:07 <Marc> zakim, I am +??P7
13:53:07 <Zakim> sorry, Marc, I do not see a party named '+??P7'
13:53:12 <Marc> zakim, I am ??P7
13:53:12 <Zakim> +Marc; got it
13:53:51 <Zakim> +Alejandra
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13:54:21 <Christian> Hi ll
13:54:42 <Zakim> + +49.303.497.aaaa
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13:55:45 <IanWilson> hello marc, everyone
13:55:45 <Marc> zakim, +49 is felix
13:55:45 <Zakim> +felix; got it
13:56:15 <Jianhua> Jianhua has joined #emotion
13:56:51 <Marc> Hi everyone! Please join on the phone! :-)
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13:57:36 <Zakim> + +49.499.390.aabb
13:57:47 <Zakim> +??P11
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13:58:29 <Jianhua> Hi I just join the phone meeting
13:58:51 <Rob> Hi I've just joined too
13:59:03 <Zakim> +Paolo_Baggia
13:59:17 <Marc> zakim, who is talking?
13:59:29 <Zakim> Marc, listening for 11 seconds I could not identify any sounds
13:59:31 <Zakim> + +0049381402aacc
14:00:44 <Zakim> + +030210772aadd
14:01:12 <Christian> the volume is very low
14:01:27 <Zakim> + +4870aaee
14:02:58 <Marc> zakim, who is muted?
14:02:58 <Zakim> I see no one muted
14:03:13 <Kostas> is it just 6 0?
14:03:25 <PaoloB> Zakim, mute me
14:03:25 <Zakim> Paolo_Baggia should now be muted
14:03:26 <Marc> sorry, it is 60#
14:03:29 <PaoloB> Zakim, mute me
14:03:29 <Zakim> Paolo_Baggia was already muted, PaoloB
14:03:34 <Zakim> +Rachel_Yager
14:03:44 <Marc> zakim, who is muted?
14:03:44 <Zakim> I see Paolo_Baggia muted
14:03:58 <Marc> zakim, mute me
14:03:58 <Zakim> Marc should now be muted
14:04:10 <Marc> please can you all type "zakim, mute me"
14:04:10 <cgi-irc> cgi-irc has joined #emotion
14:04:16 <PaoloB> Another way to mute persons is to write "Zakim, mute me" on the IRC channel
14:04:18 <Kostas> zakim, mute me
14:04:18 <Zakim> sorry, Kostas, I do not see a party named 'Kostas'
14:04:18 <Marc> zakim, unmute me
14:04:19 <Zakim> Marc should no longer be muted
14:04:31 <Kostas> zakim, mute me
14:04:31 <Zakim> sorry, Kostas, I do not see a party named 'Kostas'
14:04:38 <felix> Zakim, mute me
14:04:38 <Zakim> felix should now be muted
14:04:39 <Rob> Zakim, mute me
14:04:39 <Zakim> sorry, Rob, I do not see a party named 'Rob'
14:04:40 <Christian> Zakim,mute me
14:04:40 <Zakim> sorry, Christian, I do not see a party named 'Christian'
14:04:49 <Jianhua> Zakim, mute me
14:04:49 <Zakim> sorry, Jianhua, I do not see a party named 'Jianhua'
14:05:05 <Alejandra> zakim, mute me
14:05:05 <Zakim> Alejandra should now be muted
14:05:05 <ryager> ryager has joined #emotion
14:05:07 <Christian> Zakim, mute me
14:05:07 <Zakim> sorry, Christian, I do not see a party named 'Christian'
14:05:13 <Marc> zakim, mute ??P11
14:05:13 <Zakim> ??P11 should now be muted
14:05:19 <Marc> zakim, unmute ??P11
14:05:19 <Zakim> ??P11 should no longer be muted
14:05:28 <JuanMontero> JuanMontero has joined #emotion
14:05:30 <Kostas> zakim, mute Kostas
14:05:30 <Zakim> sorry, Kostas, I do not see a party named 'Kostas'
14:05:38 <Alejandra> I have muted my phone
14:05:39 <Marc> zakim, who is here?
14:05:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see Marc, Alejandra (muted), felix (muted), +49.499.390.aabb, ??P11, Paolo_Baggia (muted), +0049381402aacc, +030210772aadd, +4870aaee, Rachel_Yager
14:05:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see JuanMontero, ryager, PaoloB, Kostas, Jianhua, IanWilson, Christian, Rob, felix, Alejandra, RRSAgent, Zakim, Marc
14:05:50 <Christian> should we just try to go on?
14:05:55 <Marc> zakim, mute +49.499.390.aabb
14:05:55 <Zakim> +49.499.390.aabb should now be muted
14:06:19 <Alejandra> si
14:06:21 <Christian> great
14:06:25 <Zakim> - +0049381402aacc
14:06:33 <Christian> sorry, I just disconnected
14:06:40 <Christian> wait a second please!
14:06:40 <PaoloB> zakim, unmute me
14:06:40 <Zakim> Paolo_Baggia should no longer be muted
14:06:43 <PaoloB> zakim, unmute me
14:06:43 <Zakim> Paolo_Baggia was not muted, PaoloB
14:06:45 <Marc> next item
14:07:11 <Zakim> +Jerry_Hobbs
14:07:29 <Zakim> +Christian_Peter
14:08:07 <Marc> zakim, who is here?
14:08:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Marc, Alejandra (muted), felix (muted), +49.499.390.aabb (muted), ??P11, Paolo_Baggia, +030210772aadd, +4870aaee, Rachel_Yager, Jerry_Hobbs, Christian_Peter
14:08:07 <Alejandra> we can choose the scribe the person the last to join
14:08:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see JuanMontero, ryager, PaoloB, Kostas, Jianhua, IanWilson, Christian, Rob, felix, Alejandra, RRSAgent, Zakim, Marc
14:08:35 <Alejandra> no one is
14:09:07 <Kostas> I could do it using a plain text editor if you like
14:09:41 <IanWilson> Sorry, I seem to be having trouble connecting, getting a busy tone?
14:09:44 <Rob> I think I may be P11
14:09:45 <felix> Meeting: 2nd Emotion XG telefone conference
14:10:06 <felix> Chair: Marc Schroeder
14:10:23 <felix> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2006Oct/0004.html
14:10:32 <Marc> next item
14:10:38 <felix> Scribe: Felix Burkhardt
14:10:38 <Zakim> +??P5
14:10:55 <felix> ScribeNick: felix
14:11:16 <Marc> next item
14:11:21 <Marc> next item
14:11:25 <Marc> zakim, next item
14:11:25 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, Marc
14:11:41 <felix> Present: Marc, Alejandra, Christian, felix, IanWilson, Jianhua, JuanMontero, Kostas, PaoloB, Rob, ryager
14:12:12 <felix> zakim, unmute me
14:12:12 <Zakim> felix should no longer be muted
14:12:22 <felix> zakim, mute me
14:12:22 <Zakim> felix should now be muted
14:12:31 <felix> zakim, unmute me
14:12:31 <Zakim> felix should no longer be muted
14:12:40 <Marc> zakim, next item
14:12:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Reviewing action items from previous meeting" taken up
14:13:09 <felix> last minutes agreed by everyone
14:14:44 <felix> Enrico: categorize usecases into subcases
14:16:22 <felix> Rob: was useful to see what other people need
14:18:29 <felix> ryager: can we have more information on the background of the people writing the usecases?
14:19:13 <PaoloB> who is here?
14:19:25 <PaoloB> Zakim, who is here?
14:19:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Marc, Alejandra (muted), felix, +49.499.390.aabb (muted), ??P11, Paolo_Baggia, +030210772aadd, +4870aaee, Rachel_Yager, Jerry_Hobbs, Christian_Peter, ??P5
14:19:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see JuanMontero, ryager, PaoloB, Kostas, Jianhua, IanWilson, Christian, Rob, felix, Alejandra, RRSAgent, Zakim, Marc
14:19:30 <felix> Marc: how about linking anonymous usecases to concrete projects?
14:19:53 <felix> Rob: we could do that on the public mailing list
14:20:21 <felix> Marc: probably good, because the usecases should not be overloaded
14:21:50 <felix> ryager: carifying request; just wants better discussion not neccessarily in the use case document, so mailing list is ok.
14:22:45 <Alejandra> exactly what means to give a backgrownd information?
14:23:08 <Alejandra> like pshichologic or systems?
14:23:15 <felix> Action: everybody who wants to comment on their usecases on public mailing list - due 16th oct.
14:23:39 <Alejandra> ok
14:24:29 <felix> Marc: e.g. provide a literature reference
14:25:09 <Alejandra> i think I am muted
14:25:21 <Marc> zakim, unmute +49.499.390.aabb
14:25:21 <Zakim> +49.499.390.aabb should no longer be muted
14:25:29 <Zakim> +??P19
14:25:38 <Marc> zakim, mute +49.499.390.aabb
14:25:38 <Zakim> +49.499.390.aabb should now be muted
14:25:44 <Marc> zakim, unmute Alejandra
14:25:44 <Zakim> Alejandra should no longer be muted
14:26:04 <IanWilson> i finally got in..
14:27:03 <felix> Alejandra: suggests to group the cases and the form groups of people with similar interests and then have a leader of each group.
14:28:59 <felix> Marc: seems to be a good idea because discussion is easier in smaller groups
14:29:38 <felix> Marc: first step: sort usecases into core group
14:30:36 <felix> Marc: go now into usecases that have not been sorted, e.g. uc 4: usability studies
14:31:00 <felix> ... should it be a sperate top level usecase?
14:32:08 <felix> Christian: includes several aspects from the other top level ucs, so "yes", but in a way it's just another way of emotion annotation
14:32:42 <felix> Marc: which criterions for top level UCs?
14:33:28 <felix> ... suggest: independent from domain, look at what type of emotion information is needed by UC
14:34:29 <felix> ... So it might be part of UC 1
14:34:56 <felix> IanWilson: most UCs have cross over elements
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14:35:44 <felix> ... just look at the main aspects to classify them
14:36:59 <felix> Marc: can we agree that sensory data is not part of emoiton annotation?
14:38:52 <felix> Marc: one needs "linking mechanism", e.g. through time-codes
14:39:34 <felix> ryager: suggests common glossary of terms
14:39:55 <felix> Marc: Humaine started one but never finished..
14:40:42 <felix> ryager: doesn't have to be a big one, but terms used in UC descriptions should be clarified.
14:44:03 <felix> Action: ryager to collect list of keyterms send by the others to the mailinglist and publish on wiki - due before next meeting
14:44:48 <felix> Action: all to send key term explanations to mailinglist - due well before next meeting ;-)
14:46:00 <felix> Marc: perhaps merge top use case (TUC) 1 and 2? (automatic vs. human annotation)
14:47:17 <felix> Kostas: sees differrent scopes so it depends on ahwt you need the annotations for
14:48:10 <felix> felix: looks at both because automatic annotation is based on human labeler
14:48:20 <Zakim> - +49.499.390.aabb
14:48:47 <Jianhua> sorry, I cannot access the phone server any more
14:49:11 <Jianhua> just try to fix it
14:49:28 <felix> IanWilson: keep the seperation and include usability UC to TUC2 
14:51:30 <Marc> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/wiki/UseCases
14:53:57 <Marc> jianhua, your use cases:
14:54:11 <Zakim> -Christian_Peter
14:54:22 <Marc> what do you think about the categorisation in terms of top level use cases?
14:54:42 <Jianhua> Marc, I'm not online, I have some problem with phone call
14:55:06 <Zakim> +Christian_Peter
14:56:39 <felix> felix: can a usecase belong to several TUCs?
14:56:49 <felix> Marc: no, should be split up then.
15:05:45 <felix> Marc: with exception of Jianhuas work we classified everything
15:06:06 <felix> IanWilson: UCs 3c and 3d can be seen together
15:06:52 <felix> Action: all to reclassifiy their usecases in the TUCs on the wiki - due 22rd oct
15:08:29 <Zakim> +??P2
15:08:38 <Jianhua> I'm back
15:09:06 <felix> Marc: itemize your UCs with roman numbers if they belong to other UCs already mentioned.
15:09:52 <felix> Enrico: annotate affiliation with UCs?
15:10:04 <felix> Marc: if you want, do it!
15:12:42 <felix> Jianhua: also can classify his UCs into TUCs if splitting them between TUC1 and 2.
15:12:56 <felix> ... and TUC3
15:13:54 <PaoloB> \quit
15:14:50 <Marc> next item
15:15:39 <felix> Marc: volunteers needed to coordinate the TUC groups.
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15:16:01 <Marc> zakim, who is here?
15:16:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Marc, Alejandra, felix, ??P11, Paolo_Baggia, +030210772aadd, +4870aaee, Rachel_Yager, Jerry_Hobbs, ??P5, ??P19, Christian_Peter, ??P2
15:16:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see Kostas, ryager, JuanMontero, Jianhua, IanWilson, Christian, Rob, felix, Alejandra, RRSAgent, Zakim, Marc
15:16:15 <Marc> zakim, mute ??P2
15:16:15 <Zakim> ??P2 should now be muted
15:17:17 <felix> Marc: who can coordinate for TUC 1?
15:17:29 <felix> Marc: who can coordinate for TUC 2?
15:17:50 <felix> Christian: volunteers for TUC2
15:18:02 <felix> Marc: who can coordinate for TUC 3, generation?
15:18:06 <Jianhua> I would like to coordinate for TUC 3
15:18:16 <felix> IanWilson: TUC3 !
15:18:41 <Marc> zakim, unmute ??P2
15:18:41 <Zakim> ??P2 should no longer be muted
15:19:39 <felix> Jianhua: also volunteers, we both can do jointly
15:19:57 <felix> Marc: ok, IanWilson and JianHua for TUC3
15:20:12 <Marc> zakim, mute ??P2
15:20:12 <Zakim> ??P2 should now be muted
15:20:22 <felix> Marc: for TUC1 someone can be found later, no problem
15:20:55 <Marc> next item
15:21:52 <Jianhua> which date
15:21:54 <Jianhua> ?
15:22:25 <felix> Marc: next meeting: Monday 13th November, 15:00 UTC? 
15:23:10 <Jianhua> it's ok for me
15:24:08 <felix> ryager: how about 30 oct?
15:24:17 <Kostas> ok for me too
15:24:25 <Zakim> -??P2
15:24:30 <IanWilson> i may or may not be able to make it
15:25:31 <felix> Marc: next meeting: Monday 30th October, 15:00 UTC? 
15:26:09 <felix> all: agreed!
15:26:11 <Zakim> +??P2
15:26:49 <Zakim> -Rachel_Yager
15:26:51 <Zakim> - +4870aaee
15:26:52 <Zakim> -Jerry_Hobbs
15:26:53 <Zakim> -??P11
15:26:53 <Jianhua> bye
15:26:54 <Zakim> -??P19
15:26:55 <felix> Action: Marc to send instruction on how to mute the phones to anybody - due before next meeting
15:26:55 <Zakim> -??P2
15:26:56 <Zakim> - +030210772aadd
15:26:57 <Zakim> -??P5
15:26:58 <Zakim> -Christian_Peter
15:27:00 <Zakim> -Alejandra
15:27:00 <Zakim> -Paolo_Baggia
15:27:10 <Rob> Rob has left #emotion
15:27:12 <Alejandra> BYE
15:27:31 <Alejandra> Alejandra has left #emotion
15:27:38 <Jianhua> marc
15:27:40 <felix> rrsagent, make logs public
15:27:55 <Jianhua> 30th, Oct might not be good for me
15:28:02 <felix> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:28:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/09-emotion-minutes.html felix
15:28:06 <Jianhua> I was not able to speak just now
15:28:36 <ryager> Marc, I volunteer to scribe at our next meeting. 
15:28:48 <felix> Jianhua, the date is not good for you?
15:28:50 <Marc> Jianhua, I am so sorry!
15:28:52 <Jianhua> I might be in a bussiness trip in Europe at that time
15:29:09 <Marc> but unable to "sneak out"?
15:29:12 <Jianhua> from 29th,Oct to 3rd, Nov. I will be in Italy
15:29:13 <Marc> :-)
15:29:21 <Marc> I see...
15:29:24 <Jianhua> no problem
15:29:36 <Jianhua> maybe, I can join the meeting in Italy
15:29:38 <Marc> so if you coordinate with Ian,
15:29:48 <Marc> about the Use case 3 part...
15:30:01 <Jianhua> yes, I will do the cooerdation work with Ian
15:30:10 <Marc> that would make sure your point of view is represented somehow...
15:30:25 <Jianhua> OK
15:30:26 <Jianhua> OK
15:30:28 <felix> thank you, Rachel!
15:30:32 <Marc> thank you so much for your cooperativity! I know it is much less comfortable
15:30:49 <Marc> for people in asia or us west coast, so your contribution is even more appreciated!!
15:31:06 <Jianhua> hehe, you are so nice. it's late in Beijing. So, I would like to say GOOD BYE
15:31:13 <Marc> good bye!!
15:32:39 <Zakim> -Marc
15:32:40 <Zakim> -felix
15:32:41 <Zakim> INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has ended
15:32:43 <Zakim> Attendees were Marc, Alejandra, +49.303.497.aaaa, felix, +49.499.390.aabb, Paolo_Baggia, +0049381402aacc, +030210772aadd, +4870aaee, Rachel_Yager, Jerry_Hobbs, Christian_Peter