IRC log of i18nits on 2006-10-04

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13:43:06 [YvesS]

akim, this will be ITS_TS

13:43:14 [YvesS]

zakim, this will be ITS_TS

13:43:14 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, YvesS

13:44:05 [YvesS]

zakim, this will be I18N_TS

13:44:05 [Zakim]

ok, YvesS; I see I18N_TS()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes

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meeting: i18n ITS Working Group

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chair: Yvs

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s/Yvs/Yves/

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

13:57:57 [YvesS]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0002.html

13:58:06 [fsasaki]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0002.html

13:58:14 [YvesS]

:)

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started

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+Felix

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+??P18

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-Felix

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+Felix

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+ +1.303.962.aaaa

14:04:44 [fsasaki]

regrets: Andrzej, Richard

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topic: action items

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action: All to think about features at risk (ONGOING)

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Yves: posted a list

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+Sebastian_Rahtz

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Felix: I would say we need to list at least the ruby attributes used for pointing

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14:08:40 [fsasaki]

.. Sebastian and me can work on everything , right?

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Sebastian: yes. What we do is just "reporting"

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Felix: that is enough

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Sebastian: it is not guarenteed that it happens simuntaneously, might be a pipeline

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Yves: so all features would be twice, maybe even more

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.. do we need really the ruby pointers as features at risk

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Sebastian: might technically make sense

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0425.html

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Felix: do we need to mark the MUST in the statement as a feature at risk?

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Yves: I don't see the problem

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(Christian reformulates the mail)

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Yves: we could put this as features at risk, although I'm not sure what the problem is

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.. what would happen if we have this as feature at risk and nobody implements it?

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felix: we would have to remove the MUST statement and have a non-normative reference to RFC 4646

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Christian: our conformance clauses don't go to the level of values

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.. for the processing expectations

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Yves: let's flag it, just to be sure

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RESOLUTION: the "MUST" for langRule and the pointing mechanisms for ruby are features at risk

14:31:00 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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action: Felix to make the change "not possible" with "not applicable" and go back to i18n core (DONE)

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Felix: did the change. This was not an i18n core comment

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action: Yves to add sumaries for issues in Bugzilla (DONE)

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.. by Felix ;)

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action: Yves to send mails for replies to comments (ONGOING)

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html

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action: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331

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action: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is ready for CR transition (ONGOING)

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action: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem (PENDING)

14:37:14 [fsasaki]

Yves: we could find a workaround

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.. the other problem is more important, that is the list of attributes

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action: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer

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topic: issues not closed

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see http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/issues

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Yves: let's vote for CR today, given that the open issues are resolved

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Sebastian: o.k.

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RESOLUTION: WG votes for CR under the condition that issues http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 and http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466 are closed

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See http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-40-55

14:41:44 [fsasaki]

topic: things to do for CR preparation

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see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0005.html

14:42:32 [fsasaki]

Yves volunteers to do the change log

14:42:37 [fsasaki]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2006JulSep/0027.html

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Sebastian: I will do the implementation report tonight

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Yves: other things to do?

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http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html

14:43:56 [fsasaki]

Yves: fine with the presentation. I don't like the colors so much

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.. maybe have more space between each issue

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.. and have at the end of the doc s.t. like "this is the end"

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action: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html

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topic: discussion of (new) charter

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Yves: have not thought about that much yet

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Sebastian: no thought about that yet

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Christian: work on errata

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.. helping people with implementations

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Felix: for example test suite productions?

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Christian: plays a role

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Yves: trying to evangalize

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Christian: yes. But main point would be to do errata

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.. and to ensure interoperability

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Felix: how about issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 ? Is it o.k. to postone it?

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Christian: not sure

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.. depends on the timeline

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Felix: we could also have a short charter e.g. for 10 months, and have a new one after that with new features in ITS 1.x

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Yves: the BP document should be in the new charter as well

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Adjourn

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-Sebastian_Rahtz

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-YvesS

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present: Christian, Felix, Sebastian, Yves

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-chriLi

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-Felix

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Felix, +1.303.962.aaaa, chriLi, YvesS, Sebastian_Rahtz

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: All to think about features at risk (ONGOING) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-06-06

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ACTION: Felix to make the change "not possible" with "not applicable" and go back to i18n core (DONE) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-31-43

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ACTION: Yves to add sumaries for issues in Bugzilla (DONE) [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-32-25

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ACTION: Yves to send mails for replies to comments (ONGOING) [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-32-46

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ACTION: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331 [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-34-56

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ACTION: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is ready for CR transition (ONGOING) [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-35-30

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ACTION: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem (PENDING) [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-36-12

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ACTION: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-37-59

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ACTION: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-46-24

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