IRC log of er on 2006-10-04

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13:38:17 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ERT

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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regrets: Charles, CarlosI, CarlosV

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0001.html

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agenda+ test subjects is a local file

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agenda+ using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent

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agenda+ location of "Extensibility" section

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agenda+ location of "Schema" appendix

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agenda+ prepare for reviewing "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started

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+Daniela

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+Shadi

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, ipcaller is really Chris

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+Chris; got it

14:01:49 [JohannesK]

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+Klaus/Johannes/Thomas

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Zakim, Klaus is really JohannesK

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+JohannesK; got it

14:04:10 [shadi]

scribe: Chris

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scribenick: ChrisR

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zakim, take up agendum 1

14:04:32 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "test subjects is a local file" taken up [from shadi]

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Oct/0000

14:07:29 [ChrisR]

JK: may be able to use "test subject" class otherwise can use "file content" class.

14:08:18 [ChrisR]

SAZ: recalls Charles saying we could use "test subject" class which is well formed URI but is not unique

14:08:32 [JohannesK]

file://mycompi.mydomain.org/tmp/file.txt

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SAZ: could give "test subject" a unique ID

14:10:22 [ChrisR]

JK: can use IP number instead of "file:..." if IP is static

14:10:48 [shadi]

regrets: Charles, CarlosI, CarlosV, Jim

14:10:48 [ChrisR]

SAZ: although may not have an IP number at all

14:11:32 [ChrisR]

SAZ: is it important to store content of file?

14:11:51 [ChrisR]

JK: yes, especially if file is not public

14:12:28 [ChrisR]

JK: file content needs to go into report if file is not public

14:12:49 [ChrisR]

SAZ: proposal is to change "http body" in this content

14:13:32 [ChrisR]

JK: but "http body" does not have a domain yet and could be used anywhere if we change comment

14:13:53 [ChrisR]

SA: not good to change vocabulary because it should be stand alone

14:14:50 [ChrisR]

JK: we could create the propery in a namespace (e.g. "content") and extent "http body" property so "http body" is derived from it.

14:15:36 [ChrisR]

JK: the benefit is that we have "http body" property in proper vocabulary

14:17:43 [ChrisR]

SAZ: We have property to store URI and can put filename in there. But what are our needs?

14:18:30 [ChrisR]

JK: In RDF we need unique identifier for resource but not for property and we need that and to be unique.

14:19:12 [ChrisR]

JK: Filename is a label for stored content.

14:20:44 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:21:01 [ChrisR]

JK: We need something for storing non-public content.

14:21:11 [shadi]

zakim, ipcaller is really David

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+David; got it

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14:22:02 [ChrisR]

JK: We could use something like "body" property from HTTP. Could use as-is and then change describing stuff or could create another property and extend it.

14:22:53 [ChrisR]

JK: Could use in "test subject" but what to do when we test source code in various forms?

14:23:40 [ChrisR]

JK: May not need "file content" class.

14:25:31 [ChrisR]

SAZ: Wonders what are disadvantages of creating "file content" class??

14:25:34 [JohannesK]

http:body rdfs:subPropertyOf foo:base64Content

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TestContent has property foo:base64Content

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s/TestContent/TestSubject/

14:26:25 [ChrisR]

SAZ: If "file content" class we can recommend using properties like "file name" etc.

14:27:40 [shadi]

earl:filesource rdfs:subPropertyOf foo:base64Content

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...in earl:FileContent classes

14:28:23 [ChrisR]

SAZ: Can still use generic properties and still use specific sub-properties.

14:28:41 [ChrisR]

SAZ: Thinks that "file content" class has it's own uses.

14:30:00 [ChrisR]

SAZ: If no other comments will leave for now as we're a small group today.

14:30:28 [ChrisR]

SAZ: No hearing strong feelings for or against proposal so let stew.

14:30:39 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 1

14:30:39 [Zakim]

agendum 1, test subjects is a local file, closed

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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 2

14:30:45 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent" taken up [from shadi]

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Sep/0056

14:31:59 [ChrisR]

JK: Could use "node" property in RDF.

14:32:34 [ChrisR]

SAZ: We could still propose to use it our way.

14:33:09 [ChrisR]

JK: uri:uri is part of HTTP request so if not there as property then somethink is missing.

14:33:42 [ChrisR]

SAZ: It's still there - as part of HTTP request although request is optional. So we have additional uri:uri property.

14:34:09 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10/#webcontent

14:34:16 [ChrisR]

JK: I'm OK with just using RDF: about.

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"Term for URI"

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JK and SAZ: Do not need uri:uri because we can use rdf: about.

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earl:filename rdfs:subPropertyOf uri:uri

14:38:09 [davidr]

yes

14:38:22 [ChrisR]

SAZ: Everyone agree we don't need uri:uri in property class?

14:38:23 [davidr]

far more intuitive

14:39:12 [ChrisR]

resolution: Drop uri:uri in webcontent class.

14:39:34 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 2

14:39:34 [Zakim]

agendum 2, using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent, closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. location of "Extensibility" section [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "location of "Extensibility" section" taken up [from shadi]

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http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-EARL10-Schema-20060927/#extensibility

14:41:40 [ChrisR]

SAZ: Extensibility section not relavent to schema. Should be in EARL guide, not in schema.

14:41:46 [JohannesK]

+1

14:42:01 [davidr]

agree

14:42:58 [ChrisR]

Resolution: Move extensibility section from schema to EARL guide.

14:43:07 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 3

14:43:07 [Zakim]

agendum 3, location of "Extensibility" section, closed

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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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4. location of "Schema" appendix [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 4

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agendum 4. "location of "Schema" appendix" taken up [from shadi]

14:43:26 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-EARL10-Schema-20060927/#schema-rdf

14:45:06 [ChrisR]

SAZ: RDF itself does not have it inside the doc but others (like FOAF) do have it inside.

14:45:30 [ChrisR]

JK: But they don't include the RDF schema in the spec.

14:47:23 [ChrisR]

JK: Don't have strong feelings but can be seperate or include in spec itself.

14:48:19 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 4

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agendum 4, location of "Schema" appendix, closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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5. prepare for reviewing "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF" [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 5

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agendum 5. "prepare for reviewing "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"" taken up [from shadi]

14:48:33 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20060705

14:49:25 [ChrisR]

SAZ: This doc will be a "note" not a "recommendation".

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SAZ: Asks that everyone read it.

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-JohannesK

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-Daniela

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-Shadi

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-Chris

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-David

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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Daniela, Shadi, Chris, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas, JohannesK, David

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zakim, bye

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