IRC log of ws-desc on 2006-09-28

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13:57:53 [TonyR]

zakim, this will be wsdl

13:57:53 [Zakim]

ok, TonyR, I see WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM already started

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zakim, who is on the phone?

13:58:04 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P3

13:58:11 [TonyR]

zakim, ??is me

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I don't understand '??is me', TonyR

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zakim, ?? is me

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+TonyR; got it

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Arthur sent regrest

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regrets

14:07:54 [TonyR]

oh dear - that is bad

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+Canon

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+Plh

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+Jonathan_Marsh

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(location: Rennes. 14-18 November)

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confirmed for 14-17

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18, waiting for Youenn

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http://www.mont-saint-michel.net/

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Saint_Michel

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-Plh

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-Canon

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-Jonathan_Marsh

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-TonyR

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WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were TonyR, Canon, Plh, Jonathan_Marsh

14:33:38 [TonyR]

zakim, this will be ws-desc

14:33:38 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, TonyR

14:33:50 [TonyR]

zakim, this will be wsdwg

14:33:50 [Zakim]

ok, TonyR; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes

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WS_DescWG()11:00AM has now started

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+[IPcaller]

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Zakim, [IPcaller] is charlton

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+charlton; got it

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+Jonathan_Marsh

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-charlton

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+charlton

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+??P20

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zakim, ?? is me

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+TonyR; got it

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+Vivek_Pandey

15:00:32 [TonyR]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see charlton, Jonathan_Marsh, TonyR, Vivek_Pandey

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+Tom_Jordahl

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+Plh

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+Amelia_Lewis

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+Gilbert_Pilz

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+??P33

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zakim, ??P33 is Allen

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+Allen; got it

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+JacekK

15:07:16 [TomJ]

Scribe: Tom Jordahl

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Scribe: TomJ

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Topic: Approval of minutes

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+GlenD

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no comments or corrections to minutes of last week - APPROVED

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Topic: Action Items

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discussion about Glens action item

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+Canon

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+Roberto_Chinnici

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+Paul_Downey

15:11:35 [TomJ]

Jonathan completed his

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Retiring MEP usage item for all

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Topic: Administrivia

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Jonathan: Implementors meeting report - Renn for interop, Nov 14-18, 2006

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Jonathan: 9-12 participants, possible problem with location on Sat the 18th

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Jonathan: not as much progress as we want, so hope that interop will move things along

15:15:18 [TomJ]

Topic: Future telcons

15:15:49 [TomJ]

Agenda is getting short, next week - yes. But other weeks as "as needed"

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Implementors calls will continue weekly

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Topic: Features "at risk"

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Continued from last week

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Features and Properties

15:17:16 [TomJ]

Jonathan: Where are we at? MTOM might be a user, any progress on that?

15:18:39 [TomJ]

might be able to extend SOAP module to include MTOM

15:19:06 [TomJ]

Glen: SOAP module without properties isn't very useful

15:20:49 [TomJ]

Jonathan: should this be a seperate issue?

15:21:38 [TomJ]

Glen: SOAP module today relies on F&P. So we need to either remove it, explain that config isn't in WSDL, or create a new config method

15:22:27 [TomJ]

Glen: module syntax without properties isn't really worth keeping

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Jonathan: SOAP module was marked at risk...

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s/was/was NOT/

15:23:39 [TomJ]

Jonathan: What about original MTOM issue?

15:24:06 [TomJ]

Youenn: could reuse the policy syntax

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discussion about how we can enhance the MTOM syntax

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ominous silence as we think about leaving F&P in or hacking up other parts of the spec

15:28:19 [TomJ]

Jonathan: If we remove F&P, we will need a proposal on how to handle MTOM

15:31:22 [pauld]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-wsdl20-primer-20060327/#adv-MTOM

15:31:50 [TomJ]

Jonathan: Does the removal of F&P depend on replacing the ability to engage MTOM

15:32:07 [TomJ]

Glen: I would like to see that done

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jjm: I would like to see a proposal first

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Any voluteers for a creating a proposal?

15:33:38 [pauld]

<usingMTOM xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2004/08/soap/features/http-optimization">{true|false}</usingMTOM>

15:35:02 [TomJ]

Youenn: will try, but on vacation next week

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ACTION: Youenn to propose an alternative syntax for MTOM if F&P is removed

15:36:21 [TomJ]

Topic: Features "at risk" - URI replacement in HTTP

15:36:57 [TomJ]

Jonathan: functionality of URI replace at risk, but no evidence that it will be any less implemented than the rest of the binding.

15:37:19 [TomJ]

Jonathan: Going to remove this from the agenda for now.

15:37:44 [TomJ]

Still begs the question if we will get any HTTP biding implemented

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Topic: Features "at risk" - "extra" MEPS

15:38:21 [TomJ]

Jonathan; We talked about this last week, any further thoughts on removing them?

15:38:50 [TomJ]

concesus seems to still be to remove them

15:39:16 [TomJ]

Jonathan: Any objection to letting the editors factor out a Note with the MEPS?

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Amy volunteers to do the work

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Topic: RDS last call issues

15:40:13 [TonyR]

zakim, who is making noise?

15:40:23 [Zakim]

TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 14 (67%), Jonathan_Marsh (76%), JacekK (4%), GlenD (4%)

15:40:35 [TomJ]

ACTION: Editors to factor the "extra" MEPS out of the specification (Part 2) and make a new NOTE

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s/RDS/RDF/

15:42:12 [TomJ]

Issue 289 - what kind of documents do we want to publish?

15:43:18 [TomJ]

Jack: handle that last

15:43:35 [TomJ]

Issue 291 - Connicalized (C14n) should be used.

15:43:42 [TomJ]

Jack: Yes

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Issue 292 - more c14n

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Jack: Yes, example in email.

15:44:20 [TonyR]

s/Connicalized/Canonicalized/

15:45:27 [TomJ]

Issue 293 - clarify the normitive text

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issue 294 - Class of products

15:46:09 [TomJ]

Jack: well will add some more info to the text

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issue 295 - RFC 2119 keywords

15:46:52 [charlton]

s/normitive/normative

15:47:28 [TomJ]

Jack: will soften or capitalize the text as appropriate

15:48:17 [TomJ]

Issue 296 - no conformance section

15:48:57 [TomJ]

Jack: doesn't seem necessary for a conformance section, we will add text to calrify

15:49:25 [TomJ]

Jonathan: wouldn't someone say they conform to the RDF spec?

15:49:42 [TomJ]

Jack: well, maybe. We can add something

15:50:12 [Jonathan]

ACTION: Marsh to suggest some generic conformance text

15:50:59 [TomJ]

Issue 297 - Generic Extension Mechanism

15:51:27 [TomJ]

Jack: Not sure what the issue is, will contact to get clarification

15:51:52 [TomJ]

ACTION: Jack to follow up with Karl Dubost to get info about RDF issue 297

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Issue 298 - Editorial

15:52:45 [TomJ]

Jack: will take them under advisement

15:53:43 [TomJ]

RESOLUTION: Close RDF issues 291-298 with actions as discussed

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RESOLVED: Close RDF issues 291-298 with actions as discussed

15:54:22 [TomJ]

Jonathan: When so you expect to have these edits done?

15:54:45 [TomJ]

Jack: End of October seems like a good target for next draft (or LC)

15:56:03 [TomJ]

Topic: CR64 - WSDL 2.0 primer CR comments

15:56:53 [pauld]

http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR064

15:57:27 [TomJ]

Editorial comments - refer them to the editors

15:58:38 [TomJ]

RESOLVED: CR64 is sent to the editors

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Topic: CR65 - More WSDL 2.0 primer CR comments

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RESOLVED: Close and send to the editors as CR64

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Topic: Issue CR078 - XML Schema requires a type in addition to name to

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s/to/to XML Schema requires a type in addition to name to

16:01:16 [pauld]

http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR078

16:02:43 [TomJ]

Amy: Not convinced we need to do anything to advance this use case.

16:03:18 [TomJ]

Amy: don't see an easily portable way to deal with one particular Schema language

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Jonathan: Proposal to close with now action

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s/now/no/

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Any objections?

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No objections

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RESOLVED: Close CR78 with no action, Jonathan to compose a reply with details

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Skip CR80

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Topic: Issue CR21 - WSDL operation safety

16:09:02 [TomJ]

Issue from the TAG, take a look at it once we are much closer to interop.

16:09:10 [TomJ]

No other business?

16:09:11 [charlton]

lets adjourn :-)

16:09:23 [TomJ]

Adjourned

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-Gilbert_Pilz

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-Jonathan_Marsh

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-Plh

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-Canon

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-JacekK

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-GlenD

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regrets for next week, at a F2F

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-Allen

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-Amelia_Lewis

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-Roberto

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-TonyR

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-Vivek_Pandey

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-Tom_Jordahl

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-Paul_Downey

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-charlton

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Attendees were charlton, Jonathan_Marsh, TonyR, Vivek_Pandey, Tom_Jordahl, Plh, Amelia_Lewis, Gilbert_Pilz, Allen, JacekK, GlenD, Canon, Roberto, Paul_Downey

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/28-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan

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RRSAgent, set log world

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/28-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan

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Meeting: WS Description WG telcon

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Chair: Jonathan

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/28-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan

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