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13:57:53 <TonyR> zakim, this will be wsdl
13:57:53 <Zakim> ok, TonyR, I see WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM already started
13:58:04 <TonyR> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:58:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3
13:58:11 <TonyR> zakim, ??is me
13:58:11 <Zakim> I don't understand '??is me', TonyR
13:58:15 <TonyR> zakim, ?? is me
13:58:15 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
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14:07:37 <Jonathan> Arthur sent regrest
14:07:40 <Jonathan> regrets
14:07:54 <TonyR> oh dear - that is bad
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14:22:33 <plh> (location: Rennes. 14-18 November)
14:26:23 <plh> confirmed for 14-17
14:26:32 <plh> 18, waiting for Youenn
14:27:44 <youenn> http://www.mont-saint-michel.net/
14:27:44 <plh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Michael%27s_Mount
14:28:33 <youenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Saint_Michel
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14:33:09 <Zakim> Attendees were TonyR, Canon, Plh, Jonathan_Marsh
14:33:38 <TonyR> zakim, this will be ws-desc
14:33:38 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, TonyR
14:33:50 <TonyR> zakim, this will be wsdwg
14:33:50 <Zakim> ok, TonyR; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes
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14:59:29 <charlton> Zakim, [IPcaller] is charlton
14:59:29 <Zakim> +charlton; got it
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15:00:20 <TonyR> zakim, ?? is me
15:00:20 <Zakim> +TonyR; got it
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15:00:32 <TonyR> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see charlton, Jonathan_Marsh, TonyR, Vivek_Pandey
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15:03:05 <Allen> zakim, ??P33 is Allen
15:03:05 <Zakim> +Allen; got it
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15:07:16 <TomJ> Scribe: Tom Jordahl
15:07:20 <TomJ> Scribe: TomJ
15:07:38 <TomJ> Topic: Approval of minutes
15:07:47 <Zakim> +GlenD
15:07:58 <TomJ> no comments or corrections to minutes of last week - APPROVED
15:08:05 <TomJ> Topic: Action Items
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15:09:21 <TomJ> discussion about Glens action item
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15:11:35 <TomJ> Jonathan completed his
15:11:46 <TomJ> Retiring MEP usage item for all
15:11:59 <TomJ> Topic: Administrivia
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15:12:36 <TomJ> Jonathan: Implementors meeting report - Renn for interop,  Nov 14-18, 2006
15:13:26 <TomJ> Jonathan: 9-12 participants, possible problem with location on Sat the 18th
15:15:06 <TomJ> Jonathan: not as much progress as we want, so hope that interop will move things along
15:15:18 <TomJ> Topic: Future telcons
15:15:49 <TomJ> Agenda is getting short, next week - yes.  But other weeks as "as needed"
15:15:58 <TomJ> Implementors calls will continue weekly
15:16:14 <TomJ> Topic: Features "at risk"
15:16:21 <TomJ> Continued from last week
15:16:37 <TomJ> Features and Properties
15:17:16 <TomJ> Jonathan: Where are we at?  MTOM might be a user, any progress on that?
15:18:39 <TomJ> might be able to extend SOAP module to include MTOM
15:19:06 <TomJ> Glen: SOAP module without properties isn't very useful
15:20:49 <TomJ> Jonathan: should this be a seperate issue?
15:21:38 <TomJ> Glen: SOAP module today relies on F&P.  So we need to either remove it, explain that config isn't in WSDL, or create a new config method
15:22:27 <TomJ> Glen: module syntax without properties isn't really worth keeping
15:22:42 <TomJ> Jonathan: SOAP module was marked at risk...
15:22:47 <TomJ> s/was/was NOT/
15:23:39 <TomJ> Jonathan: What about original MTOM issue?
15:24:06 <TomJ> Youenn: could reuse the policy syntax 
15:26:06 <TomJ> discussion about how we can enhance the MTOM syntax 
15:27:18 <TomJ> ominous silence as we think about leaving F&P in or hacking up other parts of the spec
15:28:19 <TomJ> Jonathan: If we remove F&P, we will need a proposal on how to handle MTOM
15:31:22 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-wsdl20-primer-20060327/#adv-MTOM
15:31:50 <TomJ> Jonathan: Does the removal of F&P depend on replacing the ability to engage MTOM
15:32:07 <TomJ> Glen: I would like to see that done
15:32:59 <TomJ> jjm: I would like to see a proposal first
15:33:20 <TomJ> Any voluteers for a creating a proposal?
15:33:38 <pauld> <usingMTOM xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2004/08/soap/features/http-optimization">{true|false}</usingMTOM>
15:35:02 <TomJ> Youenn: will try, but on vacation next week
15:35:42 <TomJ> ACTION: Youenn to propose an alternative syntax for MTOM if F&P is removed
15:36:21 <TomJ> Topic: Features "at risk" - URI replacement in HTTP
15:36:57 <TomJ> Jonathan: functionality of URI replace at risk, but no evidence that it will be any less implemented than the rest of the binding.
15:37:19 <TomJ> Jonathan: Going to remove this from the agenda for now.
15:37:44 <TomJ> Still begs the question if we will get any HTTP biding implemented
15:37:58 <TomJ> Topic: Features "at risk" - "extra" MEPS
15:38:21 <TomJ> Jonathan; We talked about this last week, any further thoughts on removing them?
15:38:50 <TomJ> concesus seems to still be to remove them
15:39:16 <TomJ> Jonathan: Any objection to letting the editors factor out a Note with the MEPS?
15:39:30 <TomJ> Amy volunteers to do the work
15:39:49 <TomJ> Topic: RDS last call issues
15:40:13 <TonyR> zakim, who is making noise?
15:40:23 <Zakim> TonyR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 14 (67%), Jonathan_Marsh (76%), JacekK (4%), GlenD (4%)
15:40:35 <TomJ> ACTION: Editors to factor the "extra" MEPS out of the specification (Part 2) and make a new NOTE
15:41:40 <TomJ> s/RDS/RDF/
15:42:12 <TomJ> Issue 289  - what kind of documents do we want to publish?
15:43:18 <TomJ> Jack: handle that last
15:43:35 <TomJ> Issue 291 - Connicalized (C14n) should be used.
15:43:42 <TomJ> Jack: Yes
15:44:06 <TomJ> Issue 292 - more c14n
15:44:16 <TomJ> Jack: Yes, example in email.
15:44:20 <TonyR> s/Connicalized/Canonicalized/
15:45:27 <TomJ> Issue 293 - clarify the normitive text
15:45:53 <TomJ> issue 294 - Class of products
15:46:09 <TomJ> Jack: well will add some more info to the text
15:46:29 <TomJ> issue 295 - RFC 2119 keywords
15:46:52 <charlton> s/normitive/normative
15:47:28 <TomJ> Jack: will soften or capitalize the text as appropriate
15:48:17 <TomJ> Issue 296 - no conformance section
15:48:57 <TomJ> Jack: doesn't seem necessary for a conformance section, we will add text to calrify
15:49:25 <TomJ> Jonathan: wouldn't someone say they conform to the RDF spec?
15:49:42 <TomJ> Jack: well, maybe.  We can add something
15:50:12 <Jonathan> ACTION: Marsh to suggest some generic conformance text
15:50:59 <TomJ> Issue 297 - Generic Extension Mechanism
15:51:27 <TomJ> Jack: Not sure what the issue is, will contact to get clarification
15:51:52 <TomJ> ACTION: Jack to follow up with Karl Dubost to get info about RDF issue 297
15:52:30 <TomJ> Issue 298 - Editorial
15:52:45 <TomJ> Jack: will take them under advisement
15:53:43 <TomJ> RESOLUTION: Close RDF issues 291-298 with actions as discussed
15:53:56 <TomJ> RESOLVED: Close RDF issues 291-298 with actions as discussed
15:54:22 <TomJ> Jonathan: When so you expect to have these edits done?
15:54:45 <TomJ> Jack: End of October seems like a good target for next draft (or LC)
15:56:03 <TomJ> Topic: CR64 - WSDL 2.0 primer CR comments
15:56:53 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR064
15:57:27 <TomJ> Editorial comments - refer them to the editors
15:58:38 <TomJ> RESOLVED: CR64 is sent to the editors
16:00:14 <TomJ> Topic: CR65 - More WSDL 2.0 primer CR comments
16:00:30 <TomJ> RESOLVED: Close and send to the editors as CR64
16:01:04 <TomJ> Topic: Issue CR078 - XML Schema requires a type in addition to name to
16:01:14 <TomJ> s/to/to XML Schema requires a type in addition to name to
16:01:16 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR078
16:02:43 <TomJ> Amy: Not convinced we need to do anything to advance this use case.
16:03:18 <TomJ> Amy: don't see an easily portable way to deal with one particular Schema language
16:06:48 <TomJ> Jonathan: Proposal to close with now action
16:06:52 <TomJ> s/now/no/
16:06:59 <TomJ> Any objections?
16:07:21 <TomJ> No objections
16:07:50 <TomJ> RESOLVED: Close CR78 with no action, Jonathan to compose a reply with details
16:08:16 <TomJ> Skip CR80
16:08:41 <TomJ> Topic: Issue CR21 - WSDL operation safety
16:09:02 <TomJ> Issue from the TAG, take a look at it once we are much closer to interop.
16:09:10 <TomJ> No other business?
16:09:11 <charlton> lets adjourn :-)
16:09:23 <TomJ> Adjourned
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16:09:32 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Marsh
16:09:33 <Zakim> -Plh
16:09:34 <Zakim> -Canon
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16:09:37 <Zakim> -GlenD
16:09:38 <pauld> regrets for next week, at a F2F
16:09:38 <Zakim> -Allen
16:09:39 <Zakim> -Amelia_Lewis
16:09:40 <Zakim> -Roberto
16:09:42 <Zakim> -TonyR
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16:09:45 <Zakim> -Tom_Jordahl
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16:09:58 <Zakim> -charlton
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16:10:01 <Zakim> Attendees were charlton, Jonathan_Marsh, TonyR, Vivek_Pandey, Tom_Jordahl, Plh, Amelia_Lewis, Gilbert_Pilz, Allen, JacekK, GlenD, Canon, Roberto, Paul_Downey
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16:53:32 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:53:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/28-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
16:53:51 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, set log world
16:53:57 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:53:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/28-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
16:54:31 <Jonathan> Meeting: WS Description WG telcon
16:54:36 <Jonathan> Chair: Jonathan
16:55:37 <Jonathan> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:55:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/28-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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