IRC log of er on 2006-09-27

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-er-irc
13:57:38 [Zakim]
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13:58:02 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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+CarlosV
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meeting: ERT WG
13:59:05 [JohannesK]
zakim, CarlosV is JohannesK
13:59:05 [Zakim]
+JohannesK; got it
13:59:07 [shadi]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Sep/0067.html
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-JohannesK
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+JohannesK
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+Shadi
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+Daniela
14:00:46 [shadi]
agenda+ min/max cardinality on assertion properties
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agenda+ dropping the earl:confidence property
14:01:05 [shadi]
agenda+ min/max cardinality on result properties
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agenda+ earl:Software as subclass of foaf:Agent
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agenda+ identifying test subjects
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agenda+ using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent
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+[IPcaller]
14:02:29 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
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+Chris; got it
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+??P10
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+JohannesK.a
14:03:49 [shadi]
zakim, ??p10 is really CarlosI
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+CarlosI; got it
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zakim, JohannesK.a is really CarlosV
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+CarlosV; got it
14:04:37 [shadi]
agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema published
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regrets: Charles
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scribe: Johannes
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scribenick: JohannesK
14:05:53 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 7
14:05:53 [Zakim]
agendum 7. "EARL 1.0 Schema published" taken up [from shadi]
14:06:04 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/
14:07:01 [JohannesK]
SAZ: new schema draft out now
14:07:32 [JohannesK]
SAZ: notifications go to WAI IG and RDF CL etc
14:07:48 [JohannesK]
SAZ: thanks for hard work
14:08:25 [JohannesK]
zakim, close agendum 7
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agendum 7, EARL 1.0 Schema published, closed
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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:08:27 [Zakim]
1. min/max cardinality on assertion properties [from shadi]
14:08:37 [JohannesK]
zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:37 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "min/max cardinality on assertion properties" taken up [from shadi]
14:09:18 [JohannesK]
Daniela: hi everybody
14:09:43 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Sep/0037
14:12:20 [JohannesK]
JK: proposal 2 is a shorthand for having multiple assertions; then the single properties (e.g. result and locations) would be all the same for each subjects/tests
14:14:18 [JohannesK]
JK: you could do this compression with results without instance locations
14:14:31 [JohannesK]
SAZ: we don't want to propose omitting instance locations
14:14:51 [JohannesK]
CV: I like proposal 1, don't like grouping
14:15:35 [JohannesK]
CI: prefer 2, can live with 1
14:17:39 [JohannesK]
CR: probably prefers 1
14:17:59 [JohannesK]
JK: prefers 1, 2 could be dangerous
14:19:33 [JohannesK]
SAZ: how about not restricting in the schema (proposal 2), but in prose texts use porposal 1?
14:20:04 [JohannesK]
CV: too much confusion
14:22:18 [JohannesK]
RESOLUTION: proposal 1 (exactly one subject and test properties) agreed, have some more discussion on the mailing list
14:27:29 [JohannesK]
ACTION: shadi to investigate whether using Bags or Seqs would be valid in EARL
14:28:57 [danbri]
(de-lurking.... to note that rdf:Bags are very unfashionable in RDFland... and Seqs somewhat too... feel free to mail me on this... danbrickley@gmail.com)
14:30:09 [JohannesK]
zakim, close agendum
14:30:09 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'close agendum', JohannesK
14:30:20 [JohannesK]
zakim, close agendum 1
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agendum 1, min/max cardinality on assertion properties, closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. dropping the earl:confidence property [from shadi]
14:31:18 [JohannesK]
SAZ: seems like people want to drop confidence
14:31:36 [JohannesK]
CR: drop it
14:31:39 [JohannesK]
CV: +1
14:32:30 [JohannesK]
SAZ: no volunteer for submitting a proposal about confidence?
14:34:32 [JohannesK]
SAZ: the EIAO European project uses confidence in a very specific way
14:35:11 [JohannesK]
RESOLUTION: drop confidence
14:35:26 [JohannesK]
zakim, close agendum 2
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agendum 2, dropping the earl:confidence property, closed
14:35:27 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. min/max cardinality on result properties [from shadi]
14:36:43 [JohannesK]
SAZ: cardinality for validity and instance?
14:37:33 [JohannesK]
JK: range of instance is a PointerCollection; is it necessary to have multiple instance properties?
14:38:06 [JohannesK]
SAZ: pointers in PointerCollection are all about the same location
14:38:56 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#instancelocation
14:39:00 [JohannesK]
SAZ: proposal: exactly one validity
14:39:27 [JohannesK]
SAZ: no objections
14:39:51 [JohannesK]
RESOLUTION: exactly one validity property for TestResult
14:40:05 [JohannesK]
zakim, close agendum 3
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agendum 3, min/max cardinality on result properties, closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. earl:Software as subclass of foaf:Agent [from shadi]
14:41:02 [JohannesK]
SAZ: Software does not always act like a foaf:Agent
14:42:19 [JohannesK]
RESOLUTION: Software is standalone class (no subclass of foaf:Agent)
14:42:27 [JohannesK]
zakim, close agendum 4
14:42:27 [Zakim]
agendum 4, earl:Software as subclass of foaf:Agent, closed
14:42:28 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:42:29 [Zakim]
5. identifying test subjects [from shadi]
14:43:14 [JohannesK]
SAZ: how to identify objects that don't have a URI?
14:45:36 [JohannesK]
JK: in RDF you can create nodes for everything
14:46:14 [JohannesK]
SAZ: what about files on a hard disk?
14:46:30 [JohannesK]
CV: use WebContent
14:47:10 [JohannesK]
SAZ: isn't WebContent only for something to be found on the WWW?
14:49:16 [JohannesK]
JK: rdf:about="file://localhost/tmp/foo.bar"
14:49:27 [JohannesK]
JK: that's a URI
14:49:38 [shadi]
<quote url="http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#webcontent">Information on the World Wide Web.</quote>
14:52:13 [JohannesK]
JK: the main issue is not having a property to store the content for non-HTTP stuff
14:52:49 [JohannesK]
SAZ: snippet stuff? no
14:54:43 [JohannesK]
JK: use http:body (storing content Base64 encoded)
14:55:41 [JohannesK]
CV: move the body property into another namespace for use in EARL and HTTP-in-RDF
14:57:03 [ChrisR]
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-Chris
14:57:38 [JohannesK]
CV: rename WebContent to Content
14:58:17 [JohannesK]
CV: or clarify the meaning to include not only WWW content
15:00:16 [JohannesK]
ACTION: shadi to send to list for discussing the etsting of local stuff on list and next week
15:00:37 [JohannesK]
s/etsting/testing/
15:00:49 [Zakim]
-Shadi
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-JohannesK
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-Daniela
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-CarlosV
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-CarlosI
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were JohannesK, Shadi, Daniela, Chris, CarlosI, CarlosV
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-er-minutes.html shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-er-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: shadi to investigate whether using Bags or Seqs would be valid in EARL [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-er-irc#T14-27-29
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ACTION: shadi to send to list for discussing the etsting of local stuff on list and next week [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-er-irc#T15-00-16