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13:58:02 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:58:02 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:58:29 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:58:36 <Zakim> +CarlosV
13:58:49 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:59:05 <JohannesK> zakim, CarlosV is JohannesK
13:59:05 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
13:59:07 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Sep/0067.html
13:59:26 <Zakim> -JohannesK
13:59:28 <Zakim> +JohannesK
13:59:29 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:59:55 <Zakim> +Daniela
14:00:46 <shadi> agenda+ min/max cardinality on assertion properties
14:00:56 <shadi> agenda+ dropping the earl:confidence property
14:01:05 <shadi> agenda+ min/max cardinality on result properties
14:01:15 <shadi> agenda+ earl:Software as subclass of foaf:Agent
14:01:24 <shadi> agenda+ identifying test subjects
14:01:42 <shadi> agenda+ using rdf:about and/or uri:uri in WebContent
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14:02:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:29 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
14:02:29 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
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14:03:10 <Zakim> +??P10
14:03:24 <Zakim> +JohannesK.a
14:03:49 <shadi> zakim, ??p10 is really CarlosI
14:03:51 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
14:04:04 <shadi> zakim, JohannesK.a is really CarlosV
14:04:04 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
14:04:37 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema published
14:05:09 <shadi> regrets: Charles
14:05:39 <shadi> scribe: Johannes
14:05:46 <shadi> scribenick: JohannesK
14:05:53 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:05:53 <Zakim> agendum 7. "EARL 1.0 Schema published" taken up [from shadi]
14:06:04 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/
14:07:01 <JohannesK> SAZ: new schema draft out now
14:07:32 <JohannesK> SAZ: notifications go to WAI IG and RDF CL etc
14:07:48 <JohannesK> SAZ: thanks for hard work
14:08:25 <JohannesK> zakim, close agendum 7
14:08:25 <Zakim> agendum 7, EARL 1.0 Schema published, closed
14:08:26 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:08:27 <Zakim> 1. min/max cardinality on assertion properties [from shadi]
14:08:37 <JohannesK> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "min/max cardinality on assertion properties" taken up [from shadi]
14:09:18 <JohannesK> Daniela: hi everybody
14:09:43 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Sep/0037
14:12:20 <JohannesK> JK: proposal 2 is a shorthand for having multiple assertions; then the single properties (e.g. result and locations) would be all the same for each subjects/tests
14:14:18 <JohannesK> JK: you could do this compression with results without instance locations
14:14:31 <JohannesK> SAZ: we don't want to propose omitting instance locations
14:14:51 <JohannesK> CV: I like proposal 1, don't like grouping
14:15:35 <JohannesK> CI: prefer 2, can live with 1
14:17:39 <JohannesK> CR: probably prefers 1
14:17:59 <JohannesK> JK: prefers 1, 2 could be dangerous
14:19:33 <JohannesK> SAZ: how about not restricting in the schema (proposal 2), but in prose texts use porposal 1?
14:20:04 <JohannesK> CV: too much confusion
14:22:18 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: proposal 1 (exactly one subject and test properties) agreed, have some more discussion on the mailing list
14:27:29 <JohannesK> ACTION: shadi to investigate whether using Bags or Seqs would be valid in EARL
14:28:57 <danbri> (de-lurking.... to note that rdf:Bags are very unfashionable in RDFland... and Seqs somewhat too... feel free to mail me on this... danbrickley@gmail.com)
14:30:09 <JohannesK> zakim, close agendum
14:30:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', JohannesK
14:30:20 <JohannesK> zakim, close agendum 1
14:30:20 <Zakim> agendum 1, min/max cardinality on assertion properties, closed
14:30:21 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:30:22 <Zakim> 2. dropping the earl:confidence property [from shadi]
14:31:18 <JohannesK> SAZ: seems like people want to drop confidence
14:31:36 <JohannesK> CR: drop it
14:31:39 <JohannesK> CV: +1
14:32:30 <JohannesK> SAZ: no volunteer for submitting a proposal about confidence?
14:34:32 <JohannesK> SAZ: the EIAO European project uses confidence in a very specific way
14:35:11 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: drop confidence
14:35:26 <JohannesK> zakim, close agendum 2
14:35:26 <Zakim> agendum 2, dropping the earl:confidence property, closed
14:35:27 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:35:28 <Zakim> 3. min/max cardinality on result properties [from shadi]
14:36:43 <JohannesK> SAZ: cardinality for validity and instance?
14:37:33 <JohannesK> JK: range of instance is a PointerCollection; is it necessary to have multiple instance properties?
14:38:06 <JohannesK> SAZ: pointers in PointerCollection are all about the same location
14:38:56 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#instancelocation
14:39:00 <JohannesK> SAZ: proposal: exactly one validity
14:39:27 <JohannesK> SAZ: no objections
14:39:51 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: exactly one validity property for TestResult
14:40:05 <JohannesK> zakim, close agendum 3
14:40:05 <Zakim> agendum 3, min/max cardinality on result properties, closed
14:40:06 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:40:07 <Zakim> 4. earl:Software as subclass of foaf:Agent [from shadi]
14:41:02 <JohannesK> SAZ: Software does not always act like a foaf:Agent
14:42:19 <JohannesK> RESOLUTION: Software is standalone class (no subclass of foaf:Agent)
14:42:27 <JohannesK> zakim, close agendum 4
14:42:27 <Zakim> agendum 4, earl:Software as subclass of foaf:Agent, closed
14:42:28 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:42:29 <Zakim> 5. identifying test subjects [from shadi]
14:43:14 <JohannesK> SAZ: how to identify objects that don't have a URI?
14:45:36 <JohannesK> JK: in RDF you can create nodes for everything
14:46:14 <JohannesK> SAZ: what about files on a hard disk?
14:46:30 <JohannesK> CV: use WebContent
14:47:10 <JohannesK> SAZ: isn't WebContent only for something to be found on the WWW?
14:49:16 <JohannesK> JK: rdf:about="file://localhost/tmp/foo.bar"
14:49:27 <JohannesK> JK: that's a URI
14:49:38 <shadi> <quote url="http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#webcontent">Information on the World Wide Web.</quote>
14:52:13 <JohannesK> JK: the main issue is not having a property to store the content for non-HTTP stuff
14:52:49 <JohannesK> SAZ: snippet stuff? no
14:54:43 <JohannesK> JK: use http:body (storing content Base64 encoded)
14:55:41 <JohannesK> CV: move the body property into another namespace for use in EARL and HTTP-in-RDF
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14:57:38 <JohannesK> CV: rename WebContent to Content
14:58:17 <JohannesK> CV: or clarify the meaning to include not only WWW content
15:00:16 <JohannesK> ACTION: shadi to send to list for discussing the etsting of local stuff on list and next week
15:00:37 <JohannesK> s/etsting/testing/
15:00:49 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:00:52 <Zakim> -JohannesK
15:00:54 <Zakim> -Daniela
15:00:56 <Zakim> -CarlosV
15:01:00 <Zakim> -CarlosI
15:01:03 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:01:06 <Zakim> Attendees were JohannesK, Shadi, Daniela, Chris, CarlosI, CarlosV
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16:06:04 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:06:12 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:06:16 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:06:21 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:06:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-er-minutes.html shadi
16:06:24 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:06:31 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:06:31 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-er-actions.rdf :
16:06:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to investigate whether using Bags or Seqs would be valid in EARL [1]
16:06:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-er-irc#T14-27-29
16:06:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to send to list for discussing the etsting of local stuff on list and next week [2]
16:06:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-er-irc#T15-00-16