17:00:31 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 17:00:31 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc 17:00:37 zakim, this will be tag 17:00:37 ok, ht, I see TAG_Weekly()12:30PM already started 17:00:46 +Vincent 17:00:49 zakim, who is here? 17:00:49 On the phone I see TimBL, Vincent 17:00:50 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Vincent, Norm, ht, DanC 17:00:57 zakim, please call ht-781 17:00:58 ok, ht; the call is being made 17:01:02 +Ht 17:01:47 +DanC 17:02:23 +Norm 17:02:31 +[IBM] 17:03:10 +Ed_Rice 17:03:26 DanC has changed the topic to: TAG 26 Sep http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/09/26-agenda.html scribe: DanC 17:03:29 Scribe: DanC 17:03:33 Meeting: TAG Weekly 17:03:36 Regrets: TV 17:03:42 Chair: VQ 17:03:52 agenda + # Administrative 17:03:54 EdR has joined #tagmem 17:04:03 agenda + issue URNsAndRegistries-50 17:04:14 Regrets+ TimBL 17:04:24 Zakim, who's on the phone? 17:04:24 On the phone I see TimBL, Vincent, Ht, DanC, Norm, [IBM], Ed_Rice 17:04:37 +Dave_Orchard 17:04:39 agenda+ issue passwordsInTheClear-52 17:04:44 dorchard has joined #tagmem 17:04:50 agenda + issue ultimateQuestion-42 (State in Web Applications) 17:04:53 Zakim, take up item 1 17:04:53 agendum 1. "# Administrative" taken up [from DanC] 17:05:08 -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/09/19-minutes.html minutes 19 Sep 17:05:28 RESOLVED: to accept minutes 19 Sep 17:05:36 Noah has joined #tagmem 17:05:37 agenda + issue schemeProtocols-49 17:05:45 agenda + Agenda for Vancouver f2f, 4-5 Oct. 17:05:47 zakim, who is here? 17:05:47 On the phone I see TimBL, Vincent, Ht, DanC, Norm, [IBM], Ed_Rice, Dave_Orchard 17:05:49 Zakim, agenda/ 17:05:49 On IRC I see Noah, dorchard, EdR, RRSAgent, Zakim, Vincent, Norm, ht, DanC 17:05:50 I don't understand 'agenda/', DanC 17:05:52 Zakim, agenda? 17:05:52 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda: 17:05:54 1. # Administrative [from DanC] 17:05:56 2. issue URNsAndRegistries-50 [from DanC] 17:05:58 3. issue passwordsInTheClear-52 [from DanC] 17:05:59 zakim, [IBM] is me 17:06:00 4. issue ultimateQuestion-42 (State in Web Applications) [from DanC] 17:06:02 5. issue schemeProtocols-49 [from DanC] 17:06:04 6. Agenda for Vancouver f2f, 4-5 Oct. [from DanC] 17:06:08 +Noah; got it 17:06:12 zakim, who is here? 17:06:18 On the phone I see TimBL, Vincent, Ht, DanC, Norm, Noah, Ed_Rice, Dave_Orchard 17:06:26 On IRC I see Noah, dorchard, EdR, RRSAgent, Zakim, Vincent, Norm, ht, DanC 17:06:49 Zakim, next item 17:06:49 agendum 2. "issue URNsAndRegistries-50" taken up [from DanC] 17:07:41 VQ: last time we talked was a while ago, but I see http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.xml v 1.21 2006/08/17 19:23:58 dorchard 17:08:18 DO: I made some edits to the last 3 sections prompted by comments from David Booth... 17:08:42 ... I think David said "they're better, but not exactly right yet" 17:10:14 HST: feedback I'm getting is "for readers who don't know much, this might help a little, but for participants in these discussions, this isn't likely to be persuasive. You need more [detial?]" 17:12:03 HST: I [intend to write too www-talk?] about the scenario where somebody makes links to foo.com and then somebody else buys that domain and makes those links go goofy 17:12:16 HST: in sum, I'd like ftf time on this 17:12:47 ack TimBL 17:12:53 HST: I gather the XRI [spec?] has moved a lot since I reviewed it 17:13:01 TBL: how so? 17:13:49 HST: they've moved to the point where the primary result of looking up an XRI is an XML document that gives metadata and lookup information. And they intend to provide all the functionality of DNS. [?] 17:14:18 ... and they're moving to names for automobile parts and such, much like the semantic web [and unlike LSID in some way?] 17:15:14 TBL: I draft, but didn't send to www-tag, some stuff about the social issues around [LSID?] 17:15:22 s/draft,/drafted,/ 17:15:50 Norm has joined #tagmem 17:16:01 TBL: the social chain of trust is perhaps the dominant issue in this discussion. 17:17:04 TBL: the only way to avoid trusting something outside your community is that each community's web is disjoint from the others. 17:17:50 HST: the "what happens if foo.com goes goofy?" question can't be addressed without talking about where the levers of power are and who can pull them. 17:20:07 (... discussion of how LSIDs are acutally being deployed, and how they interact with HTTP, and how they could use relative links...) 17:20:43 q+ to note the awkward timing of TAG meeting 4-5 Oct 2006, Vancouver vs. HCLSIG meeting October 3 to 4, Amsterdam 17:20:53 ack DanC 17:20:53 DanC, you wanted to note the awkward timing of TAG meeting 4-5 Oct 2006, Vancouver vs. HCLSIG meeting October 3 to 4, Amsterdam 17:20:58 Here's one: http://lsid.biopathways.org/resolver/urn:lsid:gdb.org:GenomicSegment:GDB132938 17:21:23 Taken from this page: http://lsid.biopathways.org/resolver/ 17:25:09 (more discussion that the scribe is too busy taking part in to record...) 17:30:44 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jul/0041.html 17:32:51 ACTION DanC: find timbl's draft, give it to Ivan Herman in preparation for HCLSIG meeting in Amsterdam 17:33:58 Zakim, close this item 17:33:58 agendum 2 closed 17:34:00 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:34:01 3. issue passwordsInTheClear-52 [from DanC] 17:34:05 Zakim, take up item 5 17:34:05 agendum 5. "issue schemeProtocols-49" taken up [from DanC] 17:35:06 (my message about trying to use LSID software http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2006Jul/0267.html ) 17:35:51 NM: I still think this is an issue that people run into... 17:38:18 NM: I'm interested in discussion at the ftf, but not pushing it... 17:38:45 NM: from what I can tell, it's not really clear at all what's the TAG position; this is more than just an editorial exercise 17:40:40 DC: where does this come up for me... I guess... "how many of skype/irc/jabber are worth introducing?" 17:41:34 NM: there's also the case of streaming media, where I think we concluded http is still the right scheme... 17:42:46 NM: Dan, are you pushing for a meta scheme like chat:? 17:43:15 DC: Maybe. There seems to be a social issue about differing registration models for e.g., skype vs. jabber 17:43:30 VQ: so perhaps this is not sufficiently mature for ftf discussion 17:44:51 NM: Yes. Seems vaguely related to differing expectations for http: vs https:, I.e. that they sort of do the same thing, but with differing expectations for the care taken in ensuring the correct resolution 17:45:20 Zakim, close this item 17:45:20 agendum 5 closed 17:45:22 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:45:23 3. issue passwordsInTheClear-52 [from DanC] 17:45:30 Zakim, next item 17:45:30 agendum 3. "issue passwordsInTheClear-52" taken up [from DanC] 17:45:40 Noah has to drop off. Please accept my apologies for not staying to the end. 17:45:47 hasta, Noah 17:46:27 Ed: I have made some progress, and have gotten some feedback, of the form "you need to deal with display, not just transmission of the password"... 17:46:49 ... should be ready in the next week or so... oh... ftf is sooner than that... ok, I'll get something out before the ftf 17:47:45 -Noah 17:48:31 Ed's action continues. 17:48:46 Zakim, next item 17:48:46 agendum 4. "issue ultimateQuestion-42 (State in Web Applications)" taken up [from DanC] 17:49:56 DO: no progress lately; below versioning on my stack 17:50:06 ... and below URNsRegistries 17:50:44 Zakim, next item 17:50:44 agendum 6. "Agenda for Vancouver f2f, 4-5 Oct." taken up [from DanC] 17:51:01 -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/10/04-agenda.html draft agenda 17:52:34 DO: on Wed 4 Oct, I'm out around lunch 17:53:14 VQ: ok to start at 9am Wed? 17:53:15 DO: yes 17:53:24 DO: everybody have their hotel? 17:53:39 Norm is booked. 17:55:05 Ed is excused. Everybody will be there. 17:55:15 ED: I'm interested to dial in 17:55:21 DO: yes, I plan to accomodate that. 17:56:02 VQ: Ed, let me know which parts you want to call in for 17:56:04 Ed: OK 17:56:18 DO checks on social event. 17:57:10 DO dinner Tues? 17:57:17 some arriving Tues too late to be social 17:57:50 -TimBL 17:58:13 Noah has joined #tagmem 17:58:39 New draft of MetadataInURI available when, Noah? 17:58:47 "Review of draft finding The use of Metadata in URIs (new version to be available for the meeting)" 17:59:00 Noah? 18:01:08 URNsAndRegistries-50 has at least one fan: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/playlist/2006-August/001037.html 18:01:25 DO: I'm still hopeful for a new XMLVersioning-41 draft this week 18:01:49 oops. yes? 18:02:10 I hope to write new section of metadata Thurs or Fri as promised 18:02:38 Should be short and easy to review 18:02:47 That what you need? 18:02:51 DO: this is going slowly... 18:03:25 Yes, thanks Noah 18:03:26 ... the scope has increased from "how do I extend/version my XML document" and we haven't gotten back to those details. 18:04:27 ... and I'm not sure how long I can work on it... end of term approaching and all. 18:07:03 DC: I think working on the terminology should interleave with working on the guidance 18:07:22 DO: but reviewers so far have stopped somewhere in the terminology section 18:09:09 NDW: on Issue namespaceDocument-8, I don't see bandwidth to get a lot more done, but I do expect to contact Jonathan B at least briefly 18:09:35 VQ: agenda is still flexible. suggestions welcome. 18:09:57 Zakim, close this item 18:09:57 agendum 6 closed 18:09:58 I see nothing remaining on the agenda 18:10:23 -Dave_Orchard 18:10:26 ADJOURN 18:10:28 -Ed_Rice 18:10:29 -Ht 18:10:30 -Norm 18:10:34 -Vincent 18:10:36 -DanC 18:10:37 TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended 18:10:38 Attendees were TimBL, Vincent, Ht, DanC, Norm, Ed_Rice, Dave_Orchard, Noah 18:13:47 Noah has joined #tagmem 18:16:30 Norm has joined #tagmem