IRC log of tagmem on 2006-09-26
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-tagmem-irc
- 17:00:37 [ht]
- zakim, this will be tag
- 17:00:37 [Zakim]
- ok, ht, I see TAG_Weekly()12:30PM already started
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- +Vincent
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see TimBL, Vincent
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Vincent, Norm, ht, DanC
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- zakim, please call ht-781
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- ok, ht; the call is being made
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- +Ht
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- +DanC
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- +Norm
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- +[IBM]
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- +Ed_Rice
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- DanC has changed the topic to: TAG 26 Sep http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/09/26-agenda.html scribe: DanC
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- Scribe: DanC
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- Meeting: TAG Weekly
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- Regrets: TV
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- Chair: VQ
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- agenda + # Administrative
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- agenda + issue URNsAndRegistries-50
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- Regrets+ TimBL
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- Zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see TimBL, Vincent, Ht, DanC, Norm, [IBM], Ed_Rice
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- +Dave_Orchard
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- agenda+ issue passwordsInTheClear-52
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- agenda + issue ultimateQuestion-42 (State in Web Applications)
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- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "# Administrative" taken up [from DanC]
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/09/19-minutes.html minutes 19 Sep
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- RESOLVED: to accept minutes 19 Sep
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- agenda + issue schemeProtocols-49
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- agenda + Agenda for Vancouver f2f, 4-5 Oct.
- 17:05:47 [Noah]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:05:47 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see TimBL, Vincent, Ht, DanC, Norm, [IBM], Ed_Rice, Dave_Orchard
- 17:05:49 [DanC]
- Zakim, agenda/
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- On IRC I see Noah, dorchard, EdR, RRSAgent, Zakim, Vincent, Norm, ht, DanC
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- I don't understand 'agenda/', DanC
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- Zakim, agenda?
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- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. # Administrative [from DanC]
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- 2. issue URNsAndRegistries-50 [from DanC]
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- 3. issue passwordsInTheClear-52 [from DanC]
- 17:05:59 [Noah]
- zakim, [IBM] is me
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- 4. issue ultimateQuestion-42 (State in Web Applications) [from DanC]
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- 5. issue schemeProtocols-49 [from DanC]
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- 6. Agenda for Vancouver f2f, 4-5 Oct. [from DanC]
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- +Noah; got it
- 17:06:12 [Noah]
- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see TimBL, Vincent, Ht, DanC, Norm, Noah, Ed_Rice, Dave_Orchard
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- On IRC I see Noah, dorchard, EdR, RRSAgent, Zakim, Vincent, Norm, ht, DanC
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "issue URNsAndRegistries-50" taken up [from DanC]
- 17:07:41 [DanC]
- VQ: last time we talked was a while ago, but I see http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/URNsAndRegistries-50.xml v 1.21 2006/08/17 19:23:58 dorchard
- 17:08:18 [DanC]
- DO: I made some edits to the last 3 sections prompted by comments from David Booth...
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- ... I think David said "they're better, but not exactly right yet"
- 17:10:14 [DanC]
- HST: feedback I'm getting is "for readers who don't know much, this might help a little, but for participants in these discussions, this isn't likely to be persuasive. You need more [detial?]"
- 17:12:03 [DanC]
- HST: I [intend to write too www-talk?] about the scenario where somebody makes links to foo.com and then somebody else buys that domain and makes those links go goofy
- 17:12:16 [DanC]
- HST: in sum, I'd like ftf time on this
- 17:12:47 [Vincent]
- ack TimBL
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- HST: I gather the XRI [spec?] has moved a lot since I reviewed it
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- TBL: how so?
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- HST: they've moved to the point where the primary result of looking up an XRI is an XML document that gives metadata and lookup information. And they intend to provide all the functionality of DNS. [?]
- 17:14:18 [DanC]
- ... and they're moving to names for automobile parts and such, much like the semantic web [and unlike LSID in some way?]
- 17:15:14 [DanC]
- TBL: I draft, but didn't send to www-tag, some stuff about the social issues around [LSID?]
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- s/draft,/drafted,/
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- TBL: the social chain of trust is perhaps the dominant issue in this discussion.
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- TBL: the only way to avoid trusting something outside your community is that each community's web is disjoint from the others.
- 17:17:50 [DanC]
- HST: the "what happens if foo.com goes goofy?" question can't be addressed without talking about where the levers of power are and who can pull them.
- 17:20:07 [DanC]
- (... discussion of how LSIDs are acutally being deployed, and how they interact with HTTP, and how they could use relative links...)
- 17:20:43 [DanC]
- q+ to note the awkward timing of TAG meeting 4-5 Oct 2006, Vancouver vs. HCLSIG meeting October 3 to 4, Amsterdam
- 17:20:53 [Vincent]
- ack DanC
- 17:20:53 [Zakim]
- DanC, you wanted to note the awkward timing of TAG meeting 4-5 Oct 2006, Vancouver vs. HCLSIG meeting October 3 to 4, Amsterdam
- 17:20:58 [ht]
- Here's one: http://lsid.biopathways.org/resolver/urn:lsid:gdb.org:GenomicSegment:GDB132938
- 17:21:23 [ht]
- Taken from this page: http://lsid.biopathways.org/resolver/
- 17:25:09 [DanC]
- (more discussion that the scribe is too busy taking part in to record...)
- 17:30:44 [ht]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Jul/0041.html
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- ACTION DanC: find timbl's draft, give it to Ivan Herman in preparation for HCLSIG meeting in Amsterdam
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- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
- 17:34:00 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. issue passwordsInTheClear-52 [from DanC]
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- Zakim, take up item 5
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- agendum 5. "issue schemeProtocols-49" taken up [from DanC]
- 17:35:06 [DanC]
- (my message about trying to use LSID software http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2006Jul/0267.html )
- 17:35:51 [DanC]
- NM: I still think this is an issue that people run into...
- 17:38:18 [DanC]
- NM: I'm interested in discussion at the ftf, but not pushing it...
- 17:38:45 [DanC]
- NM: from what I can tell, it's not really clear at all what's the TAG position; this is more than just an editorial exercise
- 17:40:40 [DanC]
- DC: where does this come up for me... I guess... "how many of skype/irc/jabber are worth introducing?"
- 17:41:34 [DanC]
- NM: there's also the case of streaming media, where I think we concluded http is still the right scheme...
- 17:42:46 [Noah]
- NM: Dan, are you pushing for a meta scheme like chat:?
- 17:43:15 [Noah]
- DC: Maybe. There seems to be a social issue about differing registration models for e.g., skype vs. jabber
- 17:43:30 [DanC]
- VQ: so perhaps this is not sufficiently mature for ftf discussion
- 17:44:51 [Noah]
- NM: Yes. Seems vaguely related to differing expectations for http: vs https:, I.e. that they sort of do the same thing, but with differing expectations for the care taken in ensuring the correct resolution
- 17:45:20 [DanC]
- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 5 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. issue passwordsInTheClear-52 [from DanC]
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "issue passwordsInTheClear-52" taken up [from DanC]
- 17:45:40 [Noah]
- Noah has to drop off. Please accept my apologies for not staying to the end.
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- hasta, Noah
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- Ed: I have made some progress, and have gotten some feedback, of the form "you need to deal with display, not just transmission of the password"...
- 17:46:49 [DanC]
- ... should be ready in the next week or so... oh... ftf is sooner than that... ok, I'll get something out before the ftf
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- -Noah
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- Ed's action continues.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "issue ultimateQuestion-42 (State in Web Applications)" taken up [from DanC]
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- DO: no progress lately; below versioning on my stack
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- ... and below URNsRegistries
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 6. "Agenda for Vancouver f2f, 4-5 Oct." taken up [from DanC]
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2006/10/04-agenda.html draft agenda
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- DO: on Wed 4 Oct, I'm out around lunch
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- VQ: ok to start at 9am Wed?
- 17:53:15 [DanC]
- DO: yes
- 17:53:24 [DanC]
- DO: everybody have their hotel?
- 17:53:39 [Norm]
- Norm is booked.
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- Ed is excused. Everybody will be there.
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- ED: I'm interested to dial in
- 17:55:21 [DanC]
- DO: yes, I plan to accomodate that.
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- VQ: Ed, let me know which parts you want to call in for
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- Ed: OK
- 17:56:18 [DanC]
- DO checks on social event.
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- DO dinner Tues?
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- some arriving Tues too late to be social
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- -TimBL
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- New draft of MetadataInURI available when, Noah?
- 17:58:47 [DanC]
- "Review of draft finding The use of Metadata in URIs (new version to be available for the meeting)"
- 17:59:00 [ht]
- Noah?
- 18:01:08 [ht]
- URNsAndRegistries-50 has at least one fan: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/playlist/2006-August/001037.html
- 18:01:25 [DanC]
- DO: I'm still hopeful for a new XMLVersioning-41 draft this week
- 18:01:49 [Noah]
- oops. yes?
- 18:02:10 [Noah]
- I hope to write new section of metadata Thurs or Fri as promised
- 18:02:38 [Noah]
- Should be short and easy to review
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- That what you need?
- 18:02:51 [DanC]
- DO: this is going slowly...
- 18:03:25 [Vincent]
- Yes, thanks Noah
- 18:03:26 [DanC]
- ... the scope has increased from "how do I extend/version my XML document" and we haven't gotten back to those details.
- 18:04:27 [DanC]
- ... and I'm not sure how long I can work on it... end of term approaching and all.
- 18:07:03 [DanC]
- DC: I think working on the terminology should interleave with working on the guidance
- 18:07:22 [DanC]
- DO: but reviewers so far have stopped somewhere in the terminology section
- 18:09:09 [DanC]
- NDW: on Issue namespaceDocument-8, I don't see bandwidth to get a lot more done, but I do expect to contact Jonathan B at least briefly
- 18:09:35 [DanC]
- VQ: agenda is still flexible. suggestions welcome.
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- Zakim, close this item
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- agendum 6 closed
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- I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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- -Dave_Orchard
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- ADJOURN
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- -Ed_Rice
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- -Ht
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- -Norm
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- -Vincent
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- -DanC
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- TAG_Weekly()12:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were TimBL, Vincent, Ht, DanC, Norm, Ed_Rice, Dave_Orchard, Noah
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