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Propose postpone accepting last week's minutes 15:04:36 Okay, will post on mailing list 15:04:40 (Mohamed Zergaoui, INNOVIMAX) 15:04:45 +[IPcaller] 15:05:01 csma: Amendments to agenda? None 15:05:22 Zakim, IPCaller is me 15:05:22 +cgi-irc; got it 15:05:26 s/misisng/missing/ 15:05:36 johnhall has joined #rif 15:05:57 zakim, take up next item 15:05:57 I see nothing on the agenda 15:05:59 Scribe: cgi-irc = PVincent 15:06:03 csma: Sandro will record the actions and close them. 15:06:03 +Gary_Hallmark 15:06:36 GiorgosStoilos has joined #rif 15:06:53 topic: F2F4 15:07:00 csma: Agenda - F2F4 15:07:31 peter: Putting in registration information on the web 15:07:38 +[IPcaller] 15:07:46 MalaMehrotra, a like like "topic: something" will make "something" a new heading in the minutes. 15:07:50 +GiorgosStoilos 15:07:51 zakim, ipcaller is me 15:07:51 +johnhall; got it 15:07:53 csma: Post regrets if not ab;le to attend 15:07:58 zakim, mute me 15:08:01 johnhall should now be muted 15:08:03 Please send fax number also by mail. 15:08:28 csma: F2F5 - Michael asked about it last time. WHo should host it 15:08:50 polo has joined #rif 15:09:31 csma: January probable date for F2F5. Tech Plenirary in Jan at MIT. collocate with that. Sandro's action item. 15:09:40 ACTION: Sandro investigate whether we can get a large enough room for a F2F5 at the mini-tech-plenary at MIT in January. 15:09:40 Created ACTION-121 - Investigate whether we can get a large enough room for a F2F5 at the mini-tech-plenary at MIT in January. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2006-10-03]. 15:09:51 +MichaelKifer 15:10:11 zakim, mute me 15:10:11 MichaelKifer should now be muted 15:10:22 Sorry, I will be a little late (another telcon finishing) 15:10:40 q+ 15:10:50 zakim, unmute me 15:10:50 MichaelKifer should no longer be muted 15:10:50 ack mich 15:10:58 ChrisW: Maybe we'll have F2F6 at http://www2007.org/, so F2F5 should be in Europe. 15:11:01 http://www2007.org/ 15:11:12 +??P34 15:11:16 Chris Welty - WWW Conference in Banff in May. Next 15:11:30 zakim, ??P34 is me 15:11:30 +polo; got it 15:11:36 zakim, mute me 15:11:36 polo should now be muted 15:12:06 Mike Kifer: F2F6 in Banff. 15:12:16 csma: F2F5 end of January. 15:12:49 Mike: Too short between F2F5 and F2F6. Normally 5 months? 15:12:59 I'd personally prefer mid feb 15:13:15 csma: Closer to 3 months between F2F 15:13:39 Sandro: Charter says "Face-to-face meetings will be held every two to four months." 15:13:39 like 3-4 months is presecribed by WWW 15:14:01 csma: More like end of January- Feb. 15:14:31 Sandro: Can someone look into organizing details for F2F6 in Banff 15:14:47 Csma: Find who to organize F2F6 in Banff 15:15:03 ACTION Christian to investigate F2F6 being colocated with WWW2007 in Banff 15:15:04 Csma: Next Action - Liason 15:15:10 ACTION: Christian to investigate F2F6 being colocated with WWW2007 in Banff 15:15:10 Created ACTION-122 - Investigate F2F6 being colocated with WWW2007 in Banff [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2006-10-03]. 15:16:08 Mike Kifer: RuleML conference after ISWC - stay 2 more days. OWL-Ed workshop also collocated both on time and place. 15:16:16 http://2006.ruleml.org/ 15:16:34 zakim, mute me 15:16:34 MichaelKifer should now be muted 15:16:37 q- 15:16:38 http://owl-workshop.man.ac.uk/OWLWorkshop06.html 15:16:43 Mike: Sept 30. deadline. Business Rules conference in Washington in the week of ISWC. 15:17:15 q+ 15:17:22 csma: Action Item 100. Axel will be the editor. 15:17:41 nothing on SBVR 15:18:02 csma: PVincent - will you join PRR as well? 15:18:09 q- we can discuss this when we come to rifraf in the agenda 15:18:19 Sorry I'm muted! 15:18:21 q-, we can discuss this when we come to rifraf in the agenda 15:18:33 ack cgi 15:18:34 q- 15:18:54 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:18:54 On the phone I see Mala_Mehrotra, csma, FrankMcCabe, ChrisW, MarkusK (muted), Harold, igor (muted), Francois (muted), pfps, Allen_Ginsberg (muted), Sandro, AlexKozlenkov (muted), 15:18:58 ... Leora_Morgenstern (muted), Deborah_Nichols (muted), DavidHirtle, Dave_Reynolds, Mike_Dean, StellaMitchell (muted), Axel_Polleres, cgi-irc, Gary_Hallmark, johnhall (muted), 15:19:02 ... GiorgosStoilos, MichaelKifer (muted), polo (muted) 15:19:11 Zakim, cgi-irc is Paul_Vincent 15:19:11 +Paul_Vincent; got it 15:19:17 PaulV: TIBCO will rejoin PRR when rejoin OMG 15:19:41 zakim, unmute me 15:19:41 Allen_Ginsberg should no longer be muted 15:19:51 csma: Next is UCR 15:19:51 PaulV, can you try "/nick Paul" ? 15:20:20 that worked, Paul. 15:20:25 Thx :) 15:20:36 action-38 continued 15:20:40 action-41 continued 15:20:48 csma: Action on Chris contd. for relationship of OWL and RDF. Action 38 is continued. 15:21:18 action-72 continued -- csma will try to talk Dan in person this week 15:22:39 Sandro: send email to say some action items are done - will be desirable 15:23:01 Deborah did send email will discuss when her turn comes. 15:23:20 zakim, unmute me 15:23:20 johnhall should no longer be muted 15:23:37 action-99 done 15:23:55 action-105 -- John says he'll finish it today 15:24:12 zakim, mute me 15:24:12 johnhall should now be muted 15:24:34 action-115 redundtant with Frank's -- a mistake. 15:25:26 csma: Issues 15:25:30 http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/open 15:25:42 issue-3 15:25:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0067.html 15:26:30 AlexKozlenkov has joined #rif 15:27:26 Frank: Interoperability and extensibility supported. Extensibility was dropped. XML syntax supports extensibility within its model. XML extensibility strategy being reported on. by Frank 15:27:40 Frank: XML has an extensibility strategy -- not universally used (eg SOAP "must understand") -- based on ignoring structures you don't understand. 15:28:24 Frank: XML does support extensibility. There is a link between supporting XML for extensibility and CSF. 15:28:35 q+ 15:28:47 ack cgi 15:28:52 ack cs 15:28:55 q+ 15:28:56 Csma: Perhaps people did not understand it.. 15:29:30 q- 15:29:31 csma: Propose resolution at the next meeting. 15:29:42 -Mike_Dean 15:30:02 csma: Issue 4:also posted by Frank 15:30:03 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0068.html 15:30:04 -Gary_Hallmark 15:30:36 Frank: com[pliance model and interoperability CSF diagram - was dropped in 15:30:40 http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/4 15:31:00 Frank: Don't know why it was dropped in last F2F? 15:31:11 sandro: doesn't know why 15:31:17 I think it was just due to lack of time for discussion/consensus 15:31:28 (before the last draft) 15:31:55 sandro: Most people did not understand the concept - that is why it was dropped 15:32:20 s/dropped/dropped -- as far as I can remember/ 15:33:07 frank: have a simple compliance model means varying the model to adapt to the specification of interoperability 15:33:45 Frank: Compliance Model is higher/meta level than Default Behavior 15:34:41 frank: compliance model is at the meta level - RIF spec is a document. To be compliant look at the various features. Complain model gives you what you need to be compliant for interoperability 15:35:16 +1 to ChrisW 15:35:26 we can resolve these issues now 15:35:34 Chris: No one was speaking up on this last time. In that accept it and move on. 15:36:03 q+ 15:36:10 csma: Issue 3:Propose to accept Frank's solution 15:36:21 ack dave 15:36:25 Frank's solution: the XML syntax req supports both the interoperability and the extensibility CSFs 15:36:27 GaryHallmark has joined #rif 15:37:18 Dave Reynolds: Not sure about the proposal. 15:37:25 +Gary_Hallmark 15:37:39 DaveReynolds: I think RDF/XML supports extensibility where XML does not -- XML tools do not generally automatically support extensibilkity. 15:38:06 csma: we are chartered to see if XML supports extesibility , not look at some other language 15:38:23 Frank: XML's approach to extensibility is probably not strong enough for RIF -- RDF/XML's might or might not be. 15:38:26 Frank: XML or RDF model strong enough for RIF 15:39:15 Dave: Geberic XML tools do not allow extensibility 15:39:23 Frank: XML tools *do* allow arbitrary content to go through -- DaveReynolds is wrong. 15:39:29 csma: please move this to e-mail. 15:39:58 Proposed: the Compliance Model requirement supports the Interoperability CSF 15:40:03 -MichaelKifer 15:40:44 However, the reason that a compliance model supports interoperability 15:40:44 is that a formal understanding of what it means to comply to the RIF 15:40:44 is *essential* to the succesful use of RIF, and hence to 15:40:44 interoperability. The alternative to a formal compliance model is an 15:40:44 informal one: i.e., that defined by what popular tools support. 15:41:27 +1 this text 15:42:11 RESOLVED that the compliance model supports interoperability, for this reason. 15:42:38 RESOLVED: that the compliance model requirement supports interoperability CSF, for this reason. 15:42:50 http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/5 15:43:44 skip issue 5 -- actions pending 15:43:45 csma: Skip issue 5 and move to issue 6 15:43:52 http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/6 15:44:09 it was closed in a previous telecon, right? 15:44:19 oh, nevermind -- that was the previous one 15:44:55 csma: Explain issue 6.2 15:45:16 q+ to explain something about tracker and e-mail. 15:45:50 csma: Action 114 on Chris W addressed issue 6.2 15:46:00 Chris W. Implementability and using std. components. difference is that semantics of RIF should be such that it shouldn't allow people to solve currently insolved problems 15:46:31 Chris W/ Design should make people use what is out there - components 15:47:01 csma: Implementability means: implementaiton requires no new science 15:47:16 ChrisW. one rqmt for implementability pushes for - no new developemnt solution to be looked at 15:47:40 +MichaelKifer 15:47:42 csma: while "standard components" means implement can re-use existing software modules, eg XML for parsers. 15:47:44 zakim, mute me 15:47:44 MichaelKifer should now be muted 15:47:54 ChrisW. Other one on component encourages use of what is already out there. 15:47:54 this is about ISSUE-6 15:48:18 Csma: Dave R. Are you convinced by Chris's rqmt? 15:48:29 DaveReynolds: I am convinced by this; the question is who is going to fix the text 15:48:33 Dave R. No Objection for Chris's suggestion. 15:48:44 Chris W. will clarify this 15:48:45 ACTION: Chris to propose new text clarifying ISSUE-6 15:48:45 Created ACTION-123 - Propose new text clarifying ISSUE-6 [on Chris Menzel - due 2006-10-03]. 15:48:56 ACTION: ChrisW to propose new text clarifying ISSUE-6 15:48:56 Sorry, couldn't find user - ChrisW 15:48:59 csma: Issue 7 - Deborah sent email on that 15:49:02 ACTION: Chris Welty to propose new text clarifying ISSUE-6 15:49:02 Created ACTION-124 - Welty to propose new text clarifying ISSUE-6 [on Chris Menzel - due 2006-10-03]. 15:49:08 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0061.html 15:49:14 ACTION: Welty to propose new text clarifying ISSUE-6 15:49:14 Created ACTION-125 - Propose new text clarifying ISSUE-6 [on Christopher Welty - due 2006-10-03]. 15:49:21 Deborah: Has summarized the issue in an email 15:50:18 Deborah: Criticism on the use cases - some things not resolved. So revisited it. 15:50:58 -1 to moving the use cases 15:51:31 -- Is there a general agreemnent on length of use cases. Move it with more description with RIf 15:52:21 q+ 15:52:22 q+ 15:52:30 zakim, please unmute me 15:52:30 Leora_Morgenstern should no longer be muted 15:52:43 q- 15:53:01 -- use cases should be illustration in the features fro RIF. Focus use cases to be focussed more. #3 under 7 - should we do any more work to focus the use case rqmt. 15:53:02 ack dav 15:53:30 http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/7 15:53:42 David: Derive rqmts from the use cases? 15:54:15 Csma: He menat not just a pointer from use case to rqmt but some explanation is needed 15:54:42 gotto go ... see y'all next week 15:54:53 Dave: this requirement sounds backward. Looks liek each use case willneed to be turned out 15:54:55 -FrankMcCabe 15:54:56 Ciao, FrankMcCabe. 15:56:04 Deborah: UC were motivational to begin with and they could point to more than oone rqmt. SO w/o restructuring do the linking to rqmt. 15:56:20 ack leor 15:56:27 csma: work we haven't done anything on this front yet. 15:57:24 -polo 15:57:26 q+ 15:57:28 Leora: UC were at a high level of descriptions. If there was some more detailed level of description then the rqmts would be much clearer. 15:57:44 http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Requirements 15:57:49 -- post the rqmts list 15:57:57 As published: http://www.w3.org/TR/rif-ucr/#Requirements 15:58:55 q? 15:58:57 -- embedded meta-data for eg. hard to link the UC and R add more meat to them by being more concrete. 15:59:12 sandro: Each UC should be manifested a test case 16:01:11 CSMA: 3 different sources of rqmt - UC, RL to be covered, from the charter of the wg. 16:01:36 q? 16:02:09 ack allen 16:02:10 Leora: shorten the rqmt. MAke the UC more solid. In order to illustrate the link more solidly 16:02:19 +1 to putting real rules, in real rule languages in at least some of the use cases. 16:02:34 (maybe off in a different, Test Cases document.) 16:03:05 Allen: Some of the R are non-functional - cannot pont to it like security, implemenatbility, semantic coverage, etc. 16:03:43 Mala, I am not arguing, per se, for shortening the requirements: Rather, I am arguing for making at least some use cases more concrete, while recognizing the need not to add length to the already over-long use cases. 16:03:44 -- soon is an issue too. Come up with links for meta data is doable. 16:04:23 ACTION: Allen to write intro text for UCR, explaining how there are different sources of requirements 16:04:23 Created ACTION-126 - Write intro text for UCR, explaining how there are different sources of requirements [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2006-10-03]. 16:05:41 csma: Allen to distinguish different types of R. for the UC. Analyze the R - then we will see for which R we can be more specific. Propose to people to write a draft fro their UC? 16:06:32 csma: Any other proposla on how to proceed for this? For now, take UC one by one. 16:06:58 ok, that's reasonable 16:07:11 CW: Leora take a shot at the medical UC and go withthe writing and then have other people take that as a guide if they like it. 16:07:14 (I somehow managed to disconnect myself from the call, but am still on the IRC) 16:07:27 ack LeoraMorgenstern 16:07:36 zakim, unmute LeoraMorgenstern 16:07:36 Leora_Morgenstern was not muted, sandro 16:07:38 I'm here but off the phone 16:07:46 Anyway, yes, I'll do what Chris asked 16:07:52 Let me get back onthe call 16:08:13 Will you work on the medical UC? 16:08:14 +Leora_Morgenstern.a 16:08:56 Sandro: is this about adding more details -- like real rules -- or about linking to requirements ? 16:09:33 Leora: Will do. Adding more concrete stuff to the rules. 16:09:50 Sandro: Do second part without first? 16:10:30 Chris: I think we should leave out specific rules at this point, but if you can address the second half -- maybe at a little detail, but focus showing how it connnects to requirements. 16:10:37 CW: Laeave UC without real rules. Make the UC more specific. Add text to add R not covered. Avoid adding specific Rules. 16:10:49 LeoraMorgenstern: I'll probably write the rules, and then cut them out. 16:10:53 +1 concreteness 16:11:10 Leora: easier to do with specific rules/ WIll edit it out for the WG though and hold it for the test cases document. 16:11:15 Sandro: hold on to the concrete rules for the test cases document. 16:12:10 LeoraMorgenstern: it's easier for me to add specific rules, but I understand that you don't want the concrete rules in the UCR. 16:12:50 csma: By analyzing teh R you can see if teh UC needs to be made more specific. 16:12:59 q+ 16:13:30 ACTION? Leora to propose revision to the medical use case, adding links to requrements, with some supporting arguments 16:13:36 CW: misunderstood the example being proposed by CSMA 16:13:40 q- 16:14:00 ACTION: Leora to propose revision to the medical use case, adding links to requrements, with some supporting arguments 16:14:00 Created ACTION-127 - Propose revision to the medical use case, adding links to requrements, with some supporting arguments [on Leora Morgenstern - due 2006-10-03]. 16:14:44 csma/ChrisW: adding links to all requirements, with some supporting arguments --- should be done for all requirements/usecases. 16:14:45 csma: May not want to be done for UCs. Do for one first. If supporting arguments not convincing then revise some of the UCs. 16:15:05 csma/ChrisW: step 2 -- if that's not convincing, then we need to revise requirements. 16:15:21 csma: Who wants to do for #2? Francois? 16:15:36 I could ask Paula to do it when she is back. 16:15:50 csma: Should it ne done by someone who did not write the UC? 16:16:10 I repeat: I could ask Paula to do it when she is back. 16:16:19 csma: Dave-R? R for UC2? 16:16:41 DaveReynolds: No, I'm not convinced by it, so I can't really do it. 16:16:41 Dave: I am not right person for this UC as I am not convinced about it. 16:16:43 +q 16:16:50 q+ 16:16:54 ack Francois 16:16:55 ack fran 16:16:57 zakim, unmute me. 16:16:57 Francois was not muted, Francois 16:17:26 Francois: Paula could be considered for this. 16:17:41 csma: some one who did not wriet it is desirable. 16:17:53 zakm, mute me. 16:17:59 zakim, mute me. 16:17:59 Francois should now be muted 16:18:00 -- action for Paula. Linkl UC2 to R. 16:18:08 zakim, unmute me 16:18:08 Allen_Ginsberg was not muted, Allen 16:18:12 CW: cannot give action to Paula if she is not here. 16:18:25 paula is not on vacation, she is giving a talk. 16:18:35 csma: Give Francois the actuon to talk to Paula. 16:18:59 zakim, pick a victim. 16:18:59 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Paul_Vincent 16:19:01 Francois has joined #rif 16:19:02 -pfps 16:19:10 I take the action. 16:19:17 gtg. 16:19:55 csma: Paul volunteered for next one. 16:19:57 -AlexKozlenkov 16:19:58 very fine. 16:19:58 ACTION: Francois to talk to Paula about linking UC2 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:19:58 Sorry, couldn't find user - Francois 16:20:10 ACTION: Francois to talk to Paula about linking UC2 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:20:10 Sorry, couldn't find user - Francois 16:20:12 paul, do you take the action for UC 3? 16:20:14 rifbot: I am here! 16:20:31 ACTION: Bry to talk to Paula about linking UC2 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:20:31 Created ACTION-128 - Talk to Paula about linking UC2 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. [on Fran�ois Bry - due 2006-10-03]. 16:20:32 zakim, unmute me. 16:20:32 Francois should no longer be muted 16:20:58 zakim, mute me. 16:20:58 Francois should now be muted 16:21:19 Paul is here: can take UC 3 but not my domain :) 16:21:34 ACTION: Paul to talk to Paula about linking UC3 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:21:34 Created ACTION-129 - Talk to Paula about linking UC3 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. [on Paul Vincent - due 2006-10-03]. 16:21:41 I take use case 10, but I also have to leave. 16:22:07 ACTION: Axel to link UC10 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:22:07 Created ACTION-130 - Link UC10 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. [on Axel Polleres - due 2006-10-03]. 16:22:16 csma.UC4 volunteer. 16:22:33 well, i thought that i am the author of 10???? ;-) 16:22:54 Leora: Why am I taking one on medical support if idea is not the author for the UC? 16:23:08 csma. No idea is also to show the way for linking. 16:23:50 let the authors give a try, and then revise byt others... makes most sense imo. anyway need to go, i will see in the minutes 16:23:53 Allen: Am I a good candidate for mine? 16:24:04 -Axel_Polleres 16:24:23 csma: Allen volunteered for UC3 16:24:23 AxelPolleres has left #rif 16:24:31 Agrreed 16:24:37 zakim, unmute me 16:24:37 johnhall should no longer be muted 16:24:48 csma: Paul to do UC4? Agreed 16:24:51 ACTION: Paul to link UC4 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:24:51 Created ACTION-131 - Link UC4 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. [on Paul Vincent - due 2006-10-03]. 16:24:58 John hall: UC5 16:24:59 ACTION: John to link UC5 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:24:59 Created ACTION-132 - Link UC5 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. [on John Hall - due 2006-10-03]. 16:24:59 zakim, mute me 16:24:59 johnhall should now be muted 16:25:27 -csma 16:25:31 csma: Leora tool 6. 16:25:43 sandro: who got 1? 16:26:17 Deborah: Chris John did 1? 16:26:46 I am still online? 16:26:49 Sorry, I have to go - OMG is calling 16:26:58 cmsa, you are still online 16:27:01 sandro: not sure who proposed the OWL one originally? Any OWl fans for that? 16:27:04 -johnhall 16:27:16 zakim, pick a victim 16:27:16 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Sandro 16:27:18 -igor 16:27:19 zakim, pick a victim 16:27:19 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Sandro 16:27:22 zakim, pick a victim 16:27:22 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Harold 16:27:34 Harold - BPEL 16:27:35 Harold - BPEL 16:27:37 zakim, pick a victim 16:27:37 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Gary_Hallmark 16:27:54 Gary - OWL 16:27:56 zakim, pick a victim 16:27:56 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose GiorgosStoilos 16:28:32 GiorgosStoilos, #8 Vocab Mapping 16:28:46 sandro: #8 - Gorgos 16:28:59 ADJOURN 16:28:59 -Deborah_Nichols 16:29:00 -Dave_Reynolds 16:29:02 -Harold 16:29:03 -StellaMitchell 16:29:04 -MichaelKifer 16:29:04 -GiorgosStoilos 16:29:05 -Leora_Morgenstern.a 16:29:06 -Leora_Morgenstern 16:29:07 -MarkusK 16:29:08 -Francois 16:29:10 +csma 16:29:12 -Gary_Hallmark 16:29:14 -Paul_Vincent 16:30:48 ACTION: Gary to link UC7 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:30:48 Created ACTION-133 - Link UC7 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. [on Gary Hallmark - due 2006-10-03]. 16:30:53 ACTION: Stoilos to link UC8 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:30:53 Created ACTION-134 - Link UC8 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. [on Giorgos Stoilos - due 2006-10-03]. 16:30:57 ACTION: Harold to link UC9 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. 16:30:57 Created ACTION-135 - Link UC9 to requirements, adding supporting arguments. [on Harold Boley - due 2006-10-03]. 16:31:03 RRSAgent, make minutes 16:31:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-rif-minutes.html sandro 16:31:09 -Allen_Ginsberg 16:31:10 rrsagent, make record public 16:31:11 DavidHirtle has left #rif 16:31:17 -DavidHirtle 16:31:42 rrsagent, make record public 16:32:06 Zakim, who is here? 16:32:06 On the phone I see Mala_Mehrotra, ChrisW, Sandro, csma 16:32:07 On IRC I see AlexKozlenkov, LeoraMorgenstern, sandro, Harold, MalaMehrotra, Zakim, RRSAgent, csma, mdean, MoZ, rifbot 16:32:21 RRSAgent, make minutes 16:32:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/26-rif-minutes.html sandro 16:33:25 sandro and csma, can you investigate why the email i sent a week ago, did not arrive ? 16:34:48 MoZ, can you send me an e-mail at sandro@w3.org, so I can see the mail headers, and I'll take a look. 16:35:46 sandro, i do it right now 16:35:51 -Mala_Mehrotra 16:35:56 -Sandro 16:36:05 -ChrisW 16:36:08 -csma 16:36:09 SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended 16:36:10 Attendees were Mala_Mehrotra, +1.714.778.aaaa, csma, FrankMcCabe, ChrisW, MarkusK, Harold, igor, Francois, Allen_Ginsberg, Sandro, pfps, AlexKozlenkov, Leora_Morgenstern, 16:36:14 ... Deborah_Nichols, DavidHirtle, Dave_Reynolds, Mike_Dean, StellaMitchell, Axel_Polleres, Gary_Hallmark, GiorgosStoilos, johnhall, MichaelKifer, polo, Paul_Vincent 16:37:06 sandro, done 16:38:52 bye 16:53:15 csma has left #rif 18:32:52 Zakim has left #rif