19:59:51 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 19:59:51 logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/09/21-wai-wcag-irc 19:59:57 RRSAgent, do not start a new log 20:00:02 RRSAgent, make log world 20:00:05 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 20:00:10 zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 20:00:10 ok, ben, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started 20:00:25 +Becky_Gibson 20:00:28 Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon 20:00:31 +Bruce_Bailey 20:00:40 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JulSep/0224.html 20:00:45 +??P7 20:00:50 becka11y has joined #wai-wcag 20:00:51 zakim, ??P7 is Ben_Caldwell 20:00:51 +Ben_Caldwell; got it 20:01:01 Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid 20:01:08 ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly 20:01:22 Regrets: Sorcha_Moore 20:01:29 + +1.410.547.aaaa 20:01:36 +??P10 20:01:47 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:01:47 On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, +1.410.547.aaaa, ??P10 20:01:48 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 20:01:49 Gez has joined #wai-wcag 20:01:49 +[IPcaller] 20:01:54 +Cooper 20:01:56 Christophe has joined #wai-wcag 20:01:57 zakim, I am Becky_Gibson 20:01:57 ok, becka11y, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson 20:02:03 zakim, ??P10 is Katie_Haritos_Shea 20:02:03 +Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it 20:02:13 zakim, [IPcaller] is Gregg_Vanderheiden 20:02:13 +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it 20:02:15 +??P11 20:02:33 zakim, 1.410.547.aaaa is Tim_Boland 20:02:33 sorry, ben, I do not recognize a party named '1.410.547.aaaa' 20:02:44 zakim, +1.410.547.aaaa 20:02:44 I don't understand '+1.410.547.aaaa', ben 20:02:45 +Christophe_Strobbe 20:02:49 +Sofia_Celic 20:02:56 zakim, +1.410.547.aaaa is Tim_Boland 20:02:56 +Tim_Boland; got it 20:03:08 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:03:08 On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Cooper, ??P11, Christophe_Strobbe, 20:03:12 ... Sofia_Celic 20:03:14 zakim, ??P11 is Gez_Lemon 20:03:14 +Gez_Lemon; got it 20:03:30 agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates 20:03:41 agenda+ Team B Survey 20:03:46 Gregg has joined #wai-wcag 20:03:47 agenda+ Editors Survey 20:03:49 +[IPcaller] 20:03:55 zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero 20:03:55 +Roberto_Ellero; got it 20:04:02 Zakim, mute me 20:04:02 sorry, rellero__, I do not see a party named 'rellero__' 20:04:10 agenda+ Web sets and Web units 20:04:11 Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero 20:04:11 Roberto_Ellero should now be muted 20:04:17 agenda+ Baseline - how to handle extensions and unsupported components 20:04:21 zakim, who's making noise? 20:04:31 ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_Caldwell (15%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (30%), Christophe_Strobbe (6%) 20:04:56 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:04:56 On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, 20:05:00 ... Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted) 20:05:28 +Don_Evans 20:06:25 scribe: Christophe 20:06:31 zakim, take up agendum 1 20:06:31 agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben] 20:09:38 becka11y has joined #wai-wcag 20:11:10 +Cynthia_Shelly 20:14:21 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:14:21 On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, 20:14:24 ... Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), Don_Evans, Cynthia_Shelly 20:21:59 bengt has joined #wai-wcag 20:22:17 + +322539aabb 20:22:38 zakim, +322539aabb is Andi_Snow-Weaver 20:22:38 +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it 20:23:17 +[IPcaller] 20:23:41 zakim, [IPcaller] is Bengt_Farre 20:23:41 +Bengt_Farre; got it 20:24:43 Andi has joined #wai-wcag 20:25:09 it is ok, i will check if can tomorrow 20:25:27 -Bruce_Bailey 20:27:22 +Bruce_Bailey 20:30:01 Tentatively planning a face-to-face meeting on 25-26-27 October; awaiting approval from 3 other participants. If approved, the venue would be SAP regional office, near OHare airport in Chicago. 20:31:52 -Bengt_Farre 20:32:19 zakim, close this item 20:32:19 agendum 1 closed 20:32:21 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 20:32:22 2. Team B Survey [from ben] 20:32:26 zakim, take up agendum 2 20:32:26 agendum 2. "Team B Survey" taken up [from ben] 20:32:40 +[IPcaller] 20:32:50 zakim, [Ipcall is Bengt_Farre 20:32:50 +Bengt_Farre; got it 20:33:07 q+ 20:34:03 q+ 20:34:20 Resolution: accept LC-532 and LC-1499 with unanimous cosent 20:34:26 q? 20:34:29 ack Michael 20:35:02 q- 20:35:22 ack Cynthia 20:35:34 Topic: LC-466, LC-465, LC-545, LC-985: Wording of SC 4.2.1, 4.2.3 20:35:44 q+ 20:36:19 q+ 20:36:52 q- 20:37:32 -Gregg_Vanderheiden 20:38:10 +[IPcaller] 20:38:25 zakim, [IPcaller] is Gregg_Vanderheiden 20:38:25 +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it 20:38:44 ack Gez 20:38:46 ack Gregg 20:43:35 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20060801/appendixA.html#alternate-versiondef also says "in the same natural language" 20:44:44 When multiple versions of the same content in the same natural language are available, at least one version meets all Level 1 success criteria. Any version that does not meet all Level 1 success criteria provides a mechanism to obtain a version that does, and that mechanism meets all Level 1 success criteria. 20:46:16 +David_MacDonald 20:48:26 David has joined #wai-wcag 20:49:45 becka11y has left #wai-wcag 20:49:50 -Becky_Gibson 20:50:06 s/appendixA.html#alternate-versiondef/#alternate-versiondef/ 20:51:22 any inaccessible version must have an accessible version and there must be a way to get to the accessible version from the non-conformant sesssion. 20:52:38 Resolution: send LC-466, LC-465, LC-545, LC-985 back to Team B 20:52:50 Topic: LC-716: Wording of SC 4.2 confusing 20:53:26 q+ 20:56:01 ack g 20:56:11 To minimize the risk of seizures due to photosensitivity , cContent does not violate the general flash threshold or the red flash threshold by conforming to SC 2.3.1. 20:56:17 ack gez 20:56:46 ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 20:58:11 To minimize the risk of seizures due to photosensitivity, cContent does not violate the general flash threshold or the red flash threshold by conforming to SC 2.3.1. 20:58:32 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:58:32 On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), 20:58:33 ben_ has joined #wai-wcag 20:58:36 ... Don_Evans, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bruce_Bailey, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald 20:58:41 GVAN has joined #wai-wcag 20:58:42 zakim, who is on the phone? 20:58:42 On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), 20:58:46 ... Don_Evans, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bruce_Bailey, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald 20:59:31 Gregg has joined #wai-wcag 21:00:06 Gregg has joined #wai-wcag 21:00:17 hi am i back? 21:00:19 -Bruce_Bailey 21:01:21 To minimize the risk of seizures due to photosensitivity, cContent does not violate the general flash threshold or the red flash threshold (see SC 2.3.1). 21:01:33 -Don_Evans 21:01:56 s/cContent/content 21:01:57 +Bruce_Bailey 21:02:13 Andi has joined #wai-wcag 21:02:30 Resolution: accept LC-716 as amended with "To minimize the risk of seizures due to photosensitivity, content does not violate the general flash threshold or the red flash threshold (see SC 2.3.1)." 21:02:41 Gez has joined #wai-wcag 21:03:03 Topic: LC-893: Sign language interpretation 21:03:41 -Bruce_Bailey 21:04:32 +Bruce_Bailey 21:05:49 Resolution: accept LC-893 as amended by Ben's proposal 21:06:02 Topic: LC-913, LC-1260: words adopted into other languages 21:07:30 q+ 21:08:18 -Bruce_Bailey 21:08:59 ack Christophe 21:12:40 +Bruce_Bailey 21:13:09 zakim, who is on the phone? 21:13:09 On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), 21:13:13 ... Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey 21:14:09 Resolution: send LC-913, LC-1260 back to Team B, to clarify that the SC only applies to phrases and passages and not to individual words 21:14:38 Topic: LC-1296: Clarify intent of SC 3.1.2 (language markup) 21:21:32 -Tim_Boland 21:22:55 Resolution: send LC-1296 back to Team B (as part of the single-word issue) 21:23:37 zakim, next agendum 21:23:37 agendum 3. "Editors Survey" taken up [from ben] 21:29:12 Topic: LC-572 and LC-1152: regular expressions 21:31:40 Resolution: accept LC-572 and LC-1152 as amended 21:31:54 Topic: LC-696: WCAG 2.0 Translations 21:34:45 Andi has joined #wai-wcag 21:37:08 Resolution: accept LC-696 as amended with action items in LC-696 21:37:23 Topic: LC-1027: definition of accessibility and collapsing levels 21:38:02 q+ 21:46:38 zakim, who's making noise? 21:46:49 David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andi_Snow-Weaver (44%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (60%), Christophe_Strobbe (10%) 21:47:54 Note that even conformance to all three levels of WCAG 2.0 will not make Web content accessible to all people. As was true for WCAG 1.0 even content that is AAA conformant will not overcome the accessibility barriers faced by those with certain combinations of disabilities or with certain types of severe disabilities." 21:48:22 -Roberto_Ellero 21:49:49 Resolution: accept LC-1027 as amended 21:50:05 Topic: LC-1506: test or exercise that must use a particular sense 21:55:49 q+ 22:02:24 Resolution: accept LC-1506 as amended 22:02:59 Present: Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Michael_Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Don_Evans 22:03:06 zakim, close this item 22:03:06 agendum 3 closed 22:03:07 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 22:03:08 4. Web sets and Web units [from ben] 22:03:26 -Katie_Haritos_Shea 22:03:27 -Andi_Snow-Weaver 22:03:31 -Bengt_Farre 22:03:32 -Sofia_Celic 22:03:34 -Cooper 22:03:34 RRSAgent, pointer? 22:03:34 See http://www.w3.org/2006/09/21-wai-wcag-irc#T22-03-34-1 22:03:35 -Gez_Lemon 22:03:37 Gez has left #wai-wcag 22:03:37 -Cynthia_Shelly 22:03:45 -Bruce_Bailey 22:04:00 bengt has left #wai-wcag 22:04:05 zakim, bye 22:04:05 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Cooper, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Christophe_Strobbe, 22:04:05 Zakim has left #wai-wcag 22:04:09 ... Sofia_Celic, Tim_Boland, Gez_Lemon, Roberto_Ellero, Don_Evans, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bengt_Farre, David_MacDonald 22:04:27 RRSAgent, bye 22:04:27 I see no action items