IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-09-21

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/09/21-wai-wcag-irc
19:59:57 [ben]
RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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RRSAgent, make log world
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zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:00:10 [Zakim]
ok, ben, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
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+Becky_Gibson
20:00:28 [ben]
Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:00:40 [ben]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JulSep/0224.html
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+??P7
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zakim, ??P7 is Ben_Caldwell
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+Ben_Caldwell; got it
20:01:01 [ben]
Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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Regrets: Sorcha_Moore
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+ +1.410.547.aaaa
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+??P10
20:01:47 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:01:47 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, +1.410.547.aaaa, ??P10
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+[IPcaller]
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+Cooper
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zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
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ok, becka11y, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
20:02:03 [ben]
zakim, ??P10 is Katie_Haritos_Shea
20:02:03 [Zakim]
+Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
20:02:13 [ben]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:02:13 [Zakim]
+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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+??P11
20:02:33 [ben]
zakim, 1.410.547.aaaa is Tim_Boland
20:02:33 [Zakim]
sorry, ben, I do not recognize a party named '1.410.547.aaaa'
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zakim, +1.410.547.aaaa
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I don't understand '+1.410.547.aaaa', ben
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+Christophe_Strobbe
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+Sofia_Celic
20:02:56 [ben]
zakim, +1.410.547.aaaa is Tim_Boland
20:02:56 [Zakim]
+Tim_Boland; got it
20:03:08 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:03:08 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Cooper, ??P11, Christophe_Strobbe,
20:03:12 [Zakim]
... Sofia_Celic
20:03:14 [ben]
zakim, ??P11 is Gez_Lemon
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+Gez_Lemon; got it
20:03:30 [ben]
agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Team B Survey
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agenda+ Editors Survey
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+[IPcaller]
20:03:55 [rellero__]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
20:03:55 [Zakim]
+Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:04:02 [rellero__]
Zakim, mute me
20:04:02 [Zakim]
sorry, rellero__, I do not see a party named 'rellero__'
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agenda+ Web sets and Web units
20:04:11 [rellero__]
Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
20:04:11 [Zakim]
Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
20:04:17 [ben]
agenda+ Baseline - how to handle extensions and unsupported components
20:04:21 [ben]
zakim, who's making noise?
20:04:31 [Zakim]
ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_Caldwell (15%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (30%), Christophe_Strobbe (6%)
20:04:56 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:04:56 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe,
20:05:00 [Zakim]
... Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted)
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+Don_Evans
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scribe: Christophe
20:06:31 [ben]
zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben]
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+Cynthia_Shelly
20:14:21 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:14:21 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe,
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... Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted), Don_Evans, Cynthia_Shelly
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+ +322539aabb
20:22:38 [ben]
zakim, +322539aabb is Andi_Snow-Weaver
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+Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
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+[IPcaller]
20:23:41 [ben]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
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20:25:09 [bengt]
it is ok, i will check if can tomorrow
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:30:01 [Christophe]
Tentatively planning a face-to-face meeting on 25-26-27 October; awaiting approval from 3 other participants. If approved, the venue would be SAP regional office, near OHare airport in Chicago.
20:31:52 [Zakim]
-Bengt_Farre
20:32:19 [ben]
zakim, close this item
20:32:19 [Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
20:32:21 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Team B Survey [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Team B Survey" taken up [from ben]
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+[IPcaller]
20:32:50 [bengt]
zakim, [Ipcall is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
20:33:07 [Michael]
q+
20:34:03 [Gez]
q+
20:34:20 [Christophe]
Resolution: accept LC-532 and LC-1499 with unanimous cosent
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q?
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ack Michael
20:35:02 [Gez]
q-
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ack Cynthia
20:35:34 [Christophe]
Topic: LC-466, LC-465, LC-545, LC-985: Wording of SC 4.2.1, 4.2.3
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q+
20:36:19 [Gregg]
q+
20:36:52 [Gez]
q-
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+[IPcaller]
20:38:25 [ben]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
20:38:44 [ben]
ack Gez
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ack Gregg
20:43:35 [Christophe]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20060801/appendixA.html#alternate-versiondef also says "in the same natural language"
20:44:44 [Loretta]
When multiple versions of the same content in the same natural language are available, at least one version meets all Level 1 success criteria. Any version that does not meet all Level 1 success criteria provides a mechanism to obtain a version that does, and that mechanism meets all Level 1 success criteria.
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+David_MacDonald
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-Becky_Gibson
20:50:06 [Christophe]
s/appendixA.html#alternate-versiondef/#alternate-versiondef/
20:51:22 [Gregg]
any inaccessible version must have an accessible version and there must be a way to get to the accessible version from the non-conformant sesssion.
20:52:38 [Christophe]
Resolution: send LC-466, LC-465, LC-545, LC-985 back to Team B
20:52:50 [Christophe]
Topic: LC-716: Wording of SC 4.2 confusing
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q+
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ack g
20:56:11 [Loretta]
To minimize the risk of seizures due to photosensitivity , cContent does not violate the general flash threshold or the red flash threshold by conforming to SC 2.3.1.
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ack gez
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20:58:11 [Loretta]
To minimize the risk of seizures due to photosensitivity, cContent does not violate the general flash threshold or the red flash threshold by conforming to SC 2.3.1.
20:58:32 [ben_]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:58:32 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted),
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... Don_Evans, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bruce_Bailey, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald
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20:58:42 [ben_]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:58:42 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted),
20:58:46 [Zakim]
... Don_Evans, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bruce_Bailey, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald
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hi am i back?
21:00:19 [Zakim]
-Bruce_Bailey
21:01:21 [Loretta]
To minimize the risk of seizures due to photosensitivity, cContent does not violate the general flash threshold or the red flash threshold (see SC 2.3.1).
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-Don_Evans
21:01:56 [David]
s/cContent/content
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+Bruce_Bailey
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Resolution: accept LC-716 as amended with "To minimize the risk of seizures due to photosensitivity, content does not violate the general flash threshold or the red flash threshold (see SC 2.3.1)."
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21:03:03 [Christophe]
Topic: LC-893: Sign language interpretation
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
21:05:49 [Christophe]
Resolution: accept LC-893 as amended by Ben's proposal
21:06:02 [Christophe]
Topic: LC-913, LC-1260: words adopted into other languages
21:07:30 [Christophe]
q+
21:08:18 [Zakim]
-Bruce_Bailey
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ack Christophe
21:12:40 [Zakim]
+Bruce_Bailey
21:13:09 [ben_]
zakim, who is on the phone?
21:13:09 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, Sofia_Celic (muted), Roberto_Ellero (muted),
21:13:13 [Zakim]
... Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey
21:14:09 [Christophe]
Resolution: send LC-913, LC-1260 back to Team B, to clarify that the SC only applies to phrases and passages and not to individual words
21:14:38 [Christophe]
Topic: LC-1296: Clarify intent of SC 3.1.2 (language markup)
21:21:32 [Zakim]
-Tim_Boland
21:22:55 [Christophe]
Resolution: send LC-1296 back to Team B (as part of the single-word issue)
21:23:37 [Christophe]
zakim, next agendum
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agendum 3. "Editors Survey" taken up [from ben]
21:29:12 [Christophe]
Topic: LC-572 and LC-1152: regular expressions
21:31:40 [Christophe]
Resolution: accept LC-572 and LC-1152 as amended
21:31:54 [Christophe]
Topic: LC-696: WCAG 2.0 Translations
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21:37:08 [Christophe]
Resolution: accept LC-696 as amended with action items in LC-696
21:37:23 [Christophe]
Topic: LC-1027: definition of accessibility and collapsing levels
21:38:02 [ben_]
q+
21:46:38 [David]
zakim, who's making noise?
21:46:49 [Zakim]
David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andi_Snow-Weaver (44%), Gregg_Vanderheiden (60%), Christophe_Strobbe (10%)
21:47:54 [Gregg]
Note that even conformance to all three levels of WCAG 2.0 will not make Web content accessible to all people. As was true for WCAG 1.0 even content that is AAA conformant will not overcome the accessibility barriers faced by those with certain combinations of disabilities or with certain types of severe disabilities."
21:48:22 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Ellero
21:49:49 [Christophe]
Resolution: accept LC-1027 as amended
21:50:05 [Christophe]
Topic: LC-1506: test or exercise that must use a particular sense
21:55:49 [David]
q+
22:02:24 [Christophe]
Resolution: accept LC-1506 as amended
22:02:59 [ben_]
Present: Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Ben_Caldwell, Tim_Boland, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Michael_Cooper, Gez_Lemon, Christophe_Strobbe, Sofia_Celic, Roberto_Ellero, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Bruce_Bailey, Don_Evans
22:03:06 [ben_]
zakim, close this item
22:03:06 [Zakim]
agendum 3 closed
22:03:07 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:03:08 [Zakim]
4. Web sets and Web units [from ben]
22:03:26 [Zakim]
-Katie_Haritos_Shea
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-Andi_Snow-Weaver
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-Bengt_Farre
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-Sofia_Celic
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-Cooper
22:03:34 [ben_]
RRSAgent, pointer?
22:03:34 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2006/09/21-wai-wcag-irc#T22-03-34-1
22:03:35 [Zakim]
-Gez_Lemon
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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-Bruce_Bailey
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22:04:05 [ben_]
zakim, bye
22:04:05 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Becky_Gibson, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Cooper, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Christophe_Strobbe,
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... Sofia_Celic, Tim_Boland, Gez_Lemon, Roberto_Ellero, Don_Evans, Cynthia_Shelly, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Bengt_Farre, David_MacDonald
22:04:27 [ben_]
RRSAgent, bye
22:04:27 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items