IRC log of er on 2006-09-20

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13:57:32 [RRSAgent]
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logging to
13:57:38 [Zakim]
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13:57:46 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ERT WG
13:57:47 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, shadi
13:57:52 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ERT
13:57:52 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:58:04 [shadi]
meeting: ERT WG
13:58:17 [ChrisR]
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13:58:28 [shadi]
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chair: Shadi
13:58:44 [shadi]
regrets: Nick, Charles, Jim
13:59:06 [shadi]
agenda+ Publishing EARL 1.0 Schema Working Draft
13:59:17 [shadi]
agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema: Known Issues
13:59:52 [Zakim]
WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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14:00:23 [JohannesK]
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14:01:17 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
14:01:17 [Zakim]
+Chris; got it
14:01:22 [JohannesK]
zakim, CarlosV is really JohannesK
14:01:22 [Zakim]
+JohannesK; got it
14:01:33 [shadi]
scribe: Chris
14:01:40 [shadi]
scribenick: ChrisR
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14:03:48 [carlosV]
zakim, JohannesK.a is carlosV
14:03:48 [Zakim]
+carlosV; got it
14:05:32 [shadi]
regrets: Nick, Charles, Jim, CarlosI
14:05:57 [ChrisR]
take up agendum 1
14:07:02 [ChrisR]
SAZ: If no objections then we'll publish.
14:07:41 [ChrisR]
JK: Will it be published with HTTP notes?
14:08:02 [ChrisR]
SAZ: While in review period we can publish HTTP notes.
14:08:24 [ChrisR]
JK: Notes seem to be finished so we could publish now.
14:08:51 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Only an internal draft of notes is available. Need more editorial notes and fit into format.
14:09:47 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Nothing missing in schema.
14:11:04 [ChrisR]
resolution: no objections so far so we'll publish EARL 1.0 schema working draft
14:12:58 [ChrisR]
take up agendum 2
14:14:18 [ChrisR]
(review of issues)
14:20:56 [ChrisR]
SAZ: proposal - max cardinality of 1, properties 'assertedby' and 'result'
14:21:37 [ChrisR]
JK: can live with proposal
14:21:44 [ChrisR]
CV: not so sure
14:23:17 [ChrisR]
CV: we have no restriction on cardinality
14:26:39 [ChrisR]
CR: can live with proposal
14:27:57 [ChrisR]
SAZ: proposal - close issue
14:28:48 [ChrisR]
SAZ: (close issue in chapter 2.2 "foaf:Person is redundant as it is a subclass...")
14:32:01 [ChrisR]
(discussion on earl:TestSubject)
14:32:59 [ChrisR]
JK: We need to be able to record location of subject on local system - not just HTTP
14:33:31 [Zakim]
14:35:13 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is really Jim
14:35:13 [Zakim]
+Jim; got it
14:36:54 [JibberJim]
sure - I don't think we can go out of our way to prevent all conflicts in spec, we have to expect common sense in our users
14:38:12 [ChrisR]
SAZ: proposal - we adopt uri:uri into test subject
14:39:35 [ChrisR]
SAZ: suggest we leave as is and discuss on email
14:40:11 [ChrisR]
SAZ: another topic that came up from email - do we want to store source of document within report?
14:40:22 [JibberJim]
I don't think we need a method right now to store source, it would be easy for people to add
14:42:21 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Perhaps add to EARL guide doc?
14:43:19 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Don't agree with Jim (not an immediate need case)
14:43:39 [shadi]
s/Don't agree/Do agree
14:45:50 [ChrisR]
SAZ: Any agreement that this should not be in schema but perhaps add info to guide doc?
14:47:17 [JibberJim]
no need to extend schema
14:47:28 [ChrisR]
CR: no need to extend schema
14:48:54 [ChrisR]
SAZ: some agreement that we should add to EARL guide
14:49:52 [ChrisR]
SAZ: proposal - Consider maximum cardinality restrictions for earl:validity, and earl:confidence
14:49:59 [ChrisR]
14:51:15 [ChrisR]
SAZ: proposal - Consider dropping confidence level
14:53:09 [ChrisR]
(discussion but no agreement)
14:58:33 [shadi]
possible directions: 1. keep it as is; 2. drop it; 3. define it as a numerical value (percentage?)
14:59:11 [JibberJim]
percentages don't make it work - chaal's 70% is going to be different to my 70%
15:00:06 [JibberJim]
oh yes live with 1
15:00:12 [shadi]
CV: vote for 1
15:00:22 [shadi]
JL: vote for 2, can live with 1
15:00:23 [ChrisR]
thinks we should drop it. Confidence is more closely related to the test.
15:00:32 [JibberJim]
er other way around?
15:00:49 [carlosV]
no shadi, CV: vote for 2
15:01:07 [shadi]
JL: vote for 1, can live with 2
15:01:54 [ChrisR]
CR: vote for 2 but can live with 1
15:02:16 [ChrisR]
JK: votes for 2 but can live with 1 - we need clear use cases if kept.
15:03:31 [ChrisR]
SAZ: we need to think more about min/max cardinalities for properties
15:03:45 [JibberJim]
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15:08:07 [shadi]
zakim, drop crhis
15:08:07 [Zakim]
sorry, shadi, I do not see a party named 'crhis'
15:08:20 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the call?
15:08:20 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Chris
15:08:27 [shadi]
zakim, drop chris
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Chris is being disconnected
15:08:29 [Zakim]
WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Chris, JohannesK, carlosV, Jim
15:08:34 [shadi]
zakim, bye
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15:08:39 [shadi]
rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
15:08:44 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate shadi
15:08:45 [shadi]
rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
15:08:51 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items