element, everything should be overriden? 14:25:21 Richard: currently there is no override for CSS 2: if there is a

in the

, nothing will happen 14:25:46 .. in CSS 2.1, there will be an override for the

, but not for e.g. a

within the

14:26:16 .. e.g. text in a

in a

within a

will not be reordered 14:26:27 Francois: sounds strange. Touches many working groups 14:27:02 .. very specialized subject for some people. We should try to engage them, does Najib know about this? 14:27:05 Richard: no 14:27:23 .. Paul Nelson got involved a bit 14:27:56 .. what do you think what should happen? 14:28:10 Francois: I think everything in a

should be overriden 14:28:32 .. there could be reasons not to override everything 14:29:37 Felix: I would follow Richard's and Martin's proposal 14:30:16 Richard: having e.g. dir="rtl" would cancel the override 14:30:27 .. for an embedded element 14:30:42 Francois: having override on a block element is not an interesting requirement 14:30:51 .. it is only for small bits of text 14:31:10 Richard: I recently edited a boiler template text for Hebrew / Arabic 14:31:34 .. in that case, I really wanted to have the override 14:33:04 (discussion on use-cases for block-level override) 14:35:11 (Richard says that dealing with visualy ordered text is a use case) 14:39:57 Richard: the behavior of CSS 2.1 described at [Question 3 (CSS)] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JulSep/0157.html is what current browsers do 14:40:51 Francois: does this relate to bidi-override inheritance? 14:41:04 Richard: we have to consider in ITS what that means 14:41:25 .. we say in ITS that RLO is inherited, but say that the behavior depends on the implementation 14:41:43 .. so we separated inheritance from behavior 14:42:57 Felix: in ITS, there is nothing about behavior, all is about inheritance of information - for all data categories 14:43:16 Francois: we should get more people in this discussion 14:43:49 .. Richard showed in his mail that specs and behaviors contradict 14:44:17 .. I think there is a bidi-list at Unicode, we should invite people from that list 14:44:39 Richard: we could also blog on it, or discuss it on www-international 14:44:50 Francois: we might loose the style people 14:45:10 .. so we move out of of i18n-core, and go to www-international 14:45:53 .. what about Paul's reply to your mail? 14:46:29 Richard: I'm not sure what he is up to 14:46:58 Francois: inheritance in CSS means: if s.t. is inherited, the effect is the same as being specified at a specific element 14:47:15 Richard: for directionality, that means a new embedding level 14:47:45 Francois: yes. 14:48:22 .. you could also say that directionality is not inherited, but the effect "goes down" 14:48:49 Richard: you have 3 ways of inheritance: ITS (no behavior) 14:49:04 .. behavior without inheritance, and inheritance together with behavior 14:50:20 s/no behavior)/no behavior, only inheritance of information) 14:51:06 Richard: what will happen without markup, with multiple lines of text? 14:51:23 .. is there some effect of newlines? 14:51:41 Francois: newlines in XML are just converted to spaces 14:51:48 Richard: what about plain text? 14:51:59 Francois: not aware of a specific handling 14:53:39 Richard: next step: I resend the mail to www-international and the style-list 14:53:58 Francois: copy the BIDI-unicode list 14:54:34 Action: Richard to send his mail on bidi-override scope in CSS2 and CSS 2.1 to www-international and the style-list, and copy the BIDI-unicode list 14:55:08 topic: XML Schema issue 14:55:08 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2006JulSep/0134.html 14:55:39 Francois summarizes the mail 14:57:42 Richard: we have enough on the battle of early normalization 14:57:45 Francois: yes 14:58:04 .. I sad it was a good idea 14:58:16 .. we cannot have early Unicode normalization, so it is better to have this 14:58:28 .. I send my reply to Michael also to the list and wait a week 14:59:54 action: Francois to send his reply on xml schema to the list 14:59:58 topic: LC reviews 15:00:09 Felix: possibility of reviewing Voice Extensible Markup Language (VoiceXML) 2.1 15:00:14 .. see http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-voicexml21-20060915/ 15:00:39 Francois: changes at http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-voicexml21-20060915/#sec-changes 15:00:50 .. nothing i18n specific it seems 15:01:40 -fyergeau 15:01:45 -Felix 15:01:52 -Richard 15:01:54 I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended 15:01:55 Attendees were [IPcaller], Felix, fyergeau, Richard 15:02:10 Present: Felix, Francois, Richard 15:02:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-minutes.html fsasaki 15:09:10 I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-actions.rdf : 15:09:10 ACTION: Everybody to look at input mode discussion (DROPPED) [1] 15:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-irc#T14-08-37 15:09:10 ACTION: all to look at charmod resid test suite and gather feedback (PENDING) [2] 15:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-irc#T14-09-10 15:09:10 ACTION: Felix to write a mail about possibility for SVG tiny specific IRI tests to martin and the i18n core list [3] 15:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-irc#T14-16-36 15:09:10 ACTION: Francois to build a current issues list on charmod norm (PENDING) [4] 15:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-irc#T14-17-00 15:09:10 ACTION: Mary will make the updates discussed in Mandelieu on ws-i18n (PENDING) [5] 15:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-irc#T14-17-09 15:09:10 ACTION: Francois to give input to wiki for the LTLI summary [6] 15:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-irc#T14-17-22 15:09:10 ACTION: Richard to review XHTML Basic 1.1　and XHTML　Modularization 1.1 (DROPPED) [7] 15:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-irc#T14-18-41 15:09:10 ACTION: Richard to send his mail on bidi-override scope in CSS2 and CSS 2.1 to www-international and the style-list, and copy the BIDI-unicode list [8] 15:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-irc#T14-54-34 15:09:10 ACTION: Francois to send his reply on xml schema to the list [9] 15:09:10 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-i18ncore-irc#T14-59-54 15:09:13 Zakim has left #i18ncore