IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-09-14

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RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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RRSAgent, make log world
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zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 44 minutes ago
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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JulSep/0215.html
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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Regrets: Sorcha_Moore, Tim_Boland
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agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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agenda+ Team C Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060914-teamc/>
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agenda+ Team B Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb09142006/>
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agenda+ EDITORZ Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060914editorz/>
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agenda+ Baseline ­ how to handle extensions and unsupported components
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agenda+ Web sets and Web units
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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+David_MacDonald
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+Don_Evans
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+[IPcaller]
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+??P4
20:00:43 [ben]
zakim, ??P4 is Ben_and_Gregg
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+Ben_and_Gregg; got it
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+[IPcaller.a]
20:00:59 [ben]
zakim, [IPcaller.a is Don_Evans
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+Don_Evans; got it
20:01:05 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:01:05 [Zakim]
On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Don_Evans, [IPcaller], Ben_and_Gregg, Don_Evans.a
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+Sofia_Celic
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+Andi_Snow_Weaver
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ben the .a is me
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+Judy
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zakim, [IPcaller] is David_MacDonald
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+David_MacDonald; got it
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+Christophe_Strobbe
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zakim, Don_Evans.a is Bengt_Farre
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+Bengt_Farre; got it
20:01:57 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:01:57 [Zakim]
On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Don_Evans, David_MacDonald.a, Ben_and_Gregg, Bengt_Farre, Sofia_Celic (muted), Andi_Snow_Weaver, Judy, Christophe_Strobbe
20:02:03 [bengt]
ben ?? David already in list
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+Becky_Gibson
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+Alex_Li
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+Cooper
20:02:23 [bengt]
zakim I am Bengt_Farre
20:02:32 [bengt]
zakim, I am Bengt_Farre
20:02:32 [Zakim]
ok, bengt, I now associate you with Bengt_Farre
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zakim, mute me
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Bengt_Farre should now be muted
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:02:57 [bengt]
no one screamed test ?
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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:03:27 [Michael]
zakim, drop David_MacDonald
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David_MacDonald is being disconnected
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-David_MacDonald
20:03:40 [bengt]
no that was him
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zakim, I am Becky_Gibson
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ok, becka11y, I now associate you with Becky_Gibson
20:03:54 [Michael]
zakim, drop David_MacDonald.a
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David_MacDonald.a is being disconnected
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-David_MacDonald.a
20:04:02 [Michael]
David, call back in
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+[IPcaller]
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+??P2
20:04:36 [ben]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Gez_Lemon
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+Gez_Lemon; got it
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+David_MacDonald
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zakim, ??P2 is Cynthia_Shelly
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+Cynthia_Shelly; got it
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Announcements, Questions, and Updates" taken up [from ben]
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+Katie_Haritos-Shea
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scribe: becka11y
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+[IPcaller]
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Zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
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+Makoto_Ueki; got it
20:07:57 [rellero_]
Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
20:08:01 [judy]
zakim, who's making noise?
20:08:02 [David]
zakim, mute roberto
20:08:02 [Zakim]
Roberto_Ellero was already muted, David
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judy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ben_and_Gregg (55%), Katie_Haritos-Shea (4%), Makoto_Ueki (39%)
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zakim, mute me
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Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
20:09:35 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Don_Evans, Ben_and_Gregg, Bengt_Farre (muted), Sofia_Celic (muted), Andi_Snow_Weaver, Judy, Christophe_Strobbe, Becky_Gibson, Alex_Li, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey,
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... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gez_Lemon, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Ellero (muted), Makoto_Ueki (muted)
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-Roberto_Ellero
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Topic: Announcements
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+[IPcaller]
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Zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
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+Roberto_Ellero; got it
20:12:10 [ben]
zakim, mute Roberto_E
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Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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Roberto_Ellero was already muted, rellero__
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-Bruce_Bailey
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discussion of possible face to face for drafting responses or creating a drafting task force
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+Bruce_Bailey
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:15:37 [ben]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 1 closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Team C Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060914-teamc/> [from ben]
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Team C: LC-634
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Team B: LC-1254
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Editorz: LC-1044, LC-1008, LC-1489, LC-1490, LC-1491, LC-1495, LC-1496, LC-1497, LC-1498, LC-1502, LC-1503, LC-1509, LC-1511
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-Bruce_Bailey
20:16:38 [Christophe]
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060914editorz/results
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Resolution: Accept all the the responses that were unanimous with "close as proposed": Team C: LC-634
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Team B: LC-1254 Editorz: LC-1044, LC-1008, LC-1489, LC-1490, LC-1491, LC-1495, LC-1496, LC-1497, LC-1498, LC-1502, LC-1503, LC-1509, LC-1511
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zakim, close this item
20:17:30 [Zakim]
I do not know what agendum had been taken up, ben
20:17:37 [ben]
agenda?
20:17:45 [ben]
zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "EDITORZ Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060914editorz/>" taken up [from ben]
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Topic: LC-870
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:20:21 [becka11y]
Resolution: accept 870 as ammended with suggestion from Andi.
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Topic: 1488
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-Bruce_Bailey
20:24:20 [becka11y]
Resolution: close 1488 as ammended. Add sentence from Christophe's response about there not being a consistent definition of acronym and initialism.
20:24:47 [becka11y]
Topic: 1500
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+Bruce_Bailey
20:28:08 [bengt]
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Esperanto_speakers
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ack Kat
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ack Cyn
20:32:20 [Gregg]
q ?
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q
20:34:07 [judy]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language#Human_languages
20:38:33 [becka11y]
Resolution: accept 1500 as ammended: languages whose rules have evolved through usage within human communities and which are used by humans to communicate with each other including spoken, written, and signed languages
20:38:56 [becka11y]
Action: Gregg and Christophe to research whether we should be using the term Natual language or human language int he document.
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Team C Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060914-teamc/>" taken up [from ben]
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Topic: 938
20:41:08 [Christophe]
zakim, mute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
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Resolution: accept 938 as ammended.
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Topic: 1057
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resolution: Return 1057 to team C. Put the results of the survey into the issue; draft a proposal based on the survey results; also tag the issue as "cognitive" and put on hold.
20:51:37 [Loretta]
q+
20:53:34 [Gregg]
ack l
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ack a
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q+
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-Bruce_Bailey
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q +
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q+
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Topic: 1073
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q+
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ack l
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ack g
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ack b
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+Bruce_Bailey
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ack a
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resolution: return 1073 to team C to create the proposed failure technique.
20:59:00 [Zakim]
-Bruce_Bailey
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-Don_Evans
20:59:15 [becka11y]
zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Team B Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb09142006/>" taken up [from ben]
20:59:36 [ben]
zakim, close this item
20:59:36 [Zakim]
agendum 3 closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Team C Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060914-teamc/> [from ben]
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zakim, take up agendum 3
21:00:51 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Team B Survey <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb09142006/>" taken up [from ben]
21:01:25 [becka11y]
Topic: link text (Issue LC-497, Issue LC-510, Issue LC-573, Issue LC-713, Issue LC-1110, Issue LC-1142, and Issue LC-1290 )
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+Bruce_Bailey
21:06:51 [Loretta]
q+
21:09:21 [Gregg]
ack l
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-Alex_Li
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q+
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ack bec
21:35:20 [becka11y]
Resolution: refer link text issues back to team B with the understanding that Ben's format will be used for the definition and the 2.4.8 supplemental language gets worked out and Loretta and David work out the link focus issue for 2.4.4. Accept the rest of the resolution as proposed pending resolution of the previously stated items.
21:35:51 [becka11y]
Topic: 514 & 515
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Resolution: put 514 and 515 on hold pending resolution of web unit issues.
21:37:57 [becka11y]
Topic: Issue LC-581, Issue LC-606, and Issue LC-1128
21:38:54 [becka11y]
Resolution: accept Issue LC-581, Issue LC-606, and Issue LC-1128 as ammended (changing one of the duplicate uses of context back to content)
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Topic: 607
21:42:31 [becka11y]
Resolution: accept 607 as ammended (per suggestions from David and Becky in survey)
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Topic: 710
21:43:51 [becka11y]
Resolution: accept 710 as ammended with Ben's suggestion from the survey.
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Topic: Issue LC-746, Issue LC-1106 and Issue LC-1107
21:45:23 [Christophe]
zakim, unmute me
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Christophe_Strobbe should no longer be muted
21:47:36 [becka11y]
resolution: accept Issue LC-746, Issue LC-1106 and Issue LC-1107 as modified to add "web unit" at the end.
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Topic: 981
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resolution: accept issue 981 as ammended by Andi (Keep current SC wording but replace the word "cause" with "initiate".)
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Topic: 1133
21:54:54 [becka11y]
Resolution: accept 1133 as proposed.
21:55:08 [becka11y]
Action: David to work on failure examples for 3.2.3.
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Topic: 1375
21:56:31 [becka11y]
Resolution: accept 1375 as ammended (by Christophe in the survey)
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Topic: 1325
21:57:29 [becka11y]
Resolution: accept 1325 as ammeded (by Christophe in the survey)
22:03:16 [Michael]
q+
22:03:31 [Gregg]
ack m
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Topic: brief discussion of baseline
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Topic: brief discussion of need for face to face or drafting task force
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-Makoto_Ueki
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ack c
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ack b
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-Roberto_Ellero
22:08:24 [bengt]
anyone for europe ?
22:08:53 [Gez]
* +1 for europe
22:09:08 [bengt]
3 votes for europe !
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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Present: Don_Evans, Ben_Caldwell, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bengt_Farre, Sofia_Celic, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Judy_Brewer, Christophe_Strobbe, Becky_Gibson, Alex_Li, Michael_Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gez_Lemon, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Ellero, Makoto_Ueki
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-Cooper
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-Bengt_Farre
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-Katie_Haritos-Shea
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-Gez_Lemon
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-Judy
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-Becky_Gibson
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
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-Christophe_Strobbe
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-Sofia_Celic
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-David_MacDonald
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-Bruce_Bailey
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WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were David_MacDonald, Don_Evans, Ben_and_Gregg, Sofia_Celic, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Judy, Christophe_Strobbe, Bengt_Farre, Becky_Gibson, Alex_Li, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey,
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... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gez_Lemon, Cynthia_Shelly, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Roberto_Ellero, Makoto_Ueki
22:16:01 [ben_]
RRSAgent, pointer?
22:16:01 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-wai-wcag-irc#T22-16-01
22:24:24 [ben_]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Gregg and Christophe to research whether we should be using the term Natual language or human language int he document. [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-38-56
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ACTION: David to work on failure examples for 3.2.3. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/14-wai-wcag-irc#T21-55-08