IRC log of umtf on 2006-09-14

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17:57:50 [Wayne]
Yes I did. sorry
17:57:59 [shawn]
zakim, this will be umtf
17:57:59 [Zakim]
ok, shawn, I see WAI_EOWG(UMTF)2:00PM already started
17:58:11 [shawn]
i'm going to start calling you an adsent minded professor! :)
17:58:17 [shawn]
zakim, who is here?
17:58:17 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Wayne_Dick
17:58:18 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, shawn, Wayne
17:58:36 [shawn]
meeting: EOWG UMTF
17:58:45 [shawn]
chair: Wayne Dick
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17:59:18 [shawn]
regrets: Liam
17:59:19 [Wayne]
That is an occupational hazzard.
17:59:30 [shawn]
Present: Shawn, Wayne
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18:03:58 [judy]
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18:04:36 [shawn]
zakim, who is here?
18:04:36 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Wayne_Dick, Shawn, Doyle_Saylor, Judy
18:04:37 [Zakim]
On IRC I see judy, RRSAgent, Zakim, shawn, Wayne
18:05:59 [shawn]
present+ doyle
18:06:57 [shawn]
scribe: doyle
18:07:03 [shawn]
scribenick: shawn
18:08:27 [Zakim]
18:08:51 [shawn]
present+ Helle
18:10:07 [shawn]
topic: Background on Work of Task Force to date
18:14:34 [shawn]
topic: Priorities for Work
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18:15:28 [shawn]
priorities online:
18:23:13 [shawn]
shawn notes that we have weak, rough coverage of promoting web accessibility at
18:24:32 [shawn]
Doyle: promoting web accessibility a high priority. talk to someone on bus, in a classroom.
18:28:46 [shawn]
Helle & Shawn: disability advocates etc. not know *web* *accessibility* (just building accessibility, e.g.). also not know issues with other disabilities (e.g., just blind)
18:43:33 [shawn]
Doyle: here also need simpler presentations of the issues, executive summary to educate developers
18:46:28 [shawn]
action: wayne revise current Deliverable 2 based on teleconference discussion, and put it as priority 1
18:52:36 [shawn]
action: wayne check with liam about priorities, and willingness to edit 1st priority doc (note his logo project still seems too big & long term, and thus would be lower priority)
18:56:17 [shawn]
Topic: What Would be in Promoting Web Accessibility Doc?
18:57:41 [shawn]
Doyle: initiate grassroots activites, cities can be working on, get people working on issues locally
18:58:17 [shawn]
Doyle: [within corporation] current EO docs address issues with business. missing straightforward doc for someone advocateing web accessibility
18:59:04 [shawn]
... a simple version of accessiility issues
18:59:41 [shawn]
... e.g., online timesheet not accessible
19:03:50 [judy]
zakim, who's making noise?
19:04:00 [Zakim]
judy, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Wayne_Dick (18%), Judy (45%), Helle_Bjarno (70%)
19:04:33 [judy]
zakim, who's muted?
19:04:33 [Zakim]
I see no one muted
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19:08:32 [shawn]
present+ william
19:08:46 [judy]
note that these are in random order, and incomplete
19:08:46 [judy]
+ relate it to other kinds of disability advocacy, so that people can see the parallels, and use cross-over strategies
19:08:46 [judy]
+ intro saying that you can do a lot to impact web accessibility w/out knowing a lot of technical detail
19:08:46 [judy]
+ remind the importance of advocating across different disability needs, and fend off myth that disability needs conflict between different groups
19:08:47 [judy]
+ talk about the range of resources in which advocacy around Web accessibility might be needed
19:08:49 [judy]
+ lay out some different approaches, e.g. a tiered level of awareness, communication w/ organizations w/ inaccessible sites, sharing resources for more info, providing bcase rationale & resources, pushing the need to comply, & eventually additional pushing more if needed
19:08:53 [judy]
+ link to some simple sample materials to use in advocacy
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+ provide some tips on approaches/discussions that do work (e.g. demonstrating barriers) and that don't work well or might backfire & lose ground
19:08:58 [judy]
+ awareness for advocates about how to find policy resources that in some cases require compliance
19:15:47 [shawn]
action: william look at judy's list and how it relates to what WAI already has
19:24:55 [shawn]
Doyle: also talk about how people can use the web to advocate?
19:27:57 [Zakim]
19:43:36 [shawn]
action: wayne to get someone to start requirements document, and secondarily an outline for the doc itself based on today's discussions
19:44:05 [shawn]
Topic: Personas
19:44:13 [shawn]
personas online at:
19:45:20 [shawn]
action: wayne to add a link to and to just for reference
19:51:46 [shawn]
action: Wayne, Doyle, William, Helle send to email list your input on which are the primary personas for the Promoting/Advocating document
19:51:56 [Zakim]
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19:52:06 [shawn]
zaki, who is here?
19:52:10 [shawn]
zakim, who is here?
19:52:10 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Wayne_Dick, Shawn
19:52:11 [Zakim]
On IRC I see judy, RRSAgent, Zakim, shawn, Wayne
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19:55:41 [Zakim]
WAI_EOWG(UMTF)2:00PM has ended
19:55:43 [Zakim]
Attendees were Wayne_Dick, Shawn, Doyle_Saylor, Judy, Helle_Bjarno, Loughborough
19:55:56 [shawn]
zakim, make logs world
19:55:56 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make logs world', shawn
19:56:03 [shawn]
rrsagent, make logs world
19:56:08 [shawn]
rrsagent, draft minutes
19:56:08 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate shawn
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