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12:11:19 <shadi> zakim, this will be TSD TF
12:11:19 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, shadi
12:11:22 <shadi> zakim, this will be TSDTF
12:11:22 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
12:11:28 <shadi> meeting: TSD TF
12:11:38 <shadi> chair: CarlosV, Christophe
12:12:07 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Sep/0003.html
12:12:28 <shadi> agenda+ TCDL final adoption
12:12:38 <shadi> agenda+ Start of test production phase
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12:29:45 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
12:29:48 <Zakim> +Shadi
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12:31:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:31:50 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Shane
12:31:50 <Zakim> +Shane; got it
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12:32:17 <Zakim> +Vangelis
12:32:46 <Zakim> +CarlosV
12:32:51 <Zakim> +??P12
12:33:15 <shadi> zakim, ?p12 is really CarlosI
12:33:15 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named '?p12'
12:33:20 <shadi> zakim, ? is really CarlosI
12:33:20 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
12:33:27 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:33:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, Shane, Vangelis, CarlosV, CarlosI
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12:34:04 <Zakim> +Cooper
12:43:57 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
12:47:01 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
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12:48:14 <shadi> agenda?
12:49:43 <Vangelis> SAZ: need to take decisions for things might need to drop 
12:50:09 <Vangelis> SAZ: 1st one :version number 
12:50:34 <Vangelis> CS: optional element
12:50:52 <Vangelis> CV: for bentoweb cvs numbering
12:51:18 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:51:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "TCDL final adoption" taken up [from shadi]
12:52:26 <Vangelis> CV: keep it as optional 
12:52:41 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2006Sep/0004.html
12:53:01 <Vangelis> SAZ: keep min terms
12:54:17 <Vangelis> SAZ: keep it simple and use simple way to enter data (web form) and keep clear
12:54:42 <Vangelis> CV: prefer optional and if not needed just keep it out
12:55:52 <Vangelis> CV: optional and mandatory according to xml schema
12:57:36 <Vangelis> SAZ: as a compromise keep version element but use cvs numbering (constant value)
13:00:34 <Vangelis> SAZ: parser can ignore anything, can have what ever additional
13:02:01 <Vangelis> SAZ: at least more guidance on how to use
13:02:37 <Vangelis> CS: maybe more specific guidance
13:04:34 <Vangelis> SAZ: other things even more vital
13:05:48 <Vangelis> CI: version number public for everyone?
13:06:54 <Vangelis> CI: if cvs numbering not available for everybody, we need an version element
13:08:15 <Zakim> -CarlosV
13:08:38 <Zakim> +??P0
13:08:40 <Vangelis> CI: use cvs numbering for internal development and when released communicate it to public
13:09:15 <carlosV> zakim, ? is really carlosV
13:09:15 <Zakim> +carlosV; got it
13:09:17 <shadi> <version>$version</version>
13:10:50 <Vangelis> SAZ: need to have cvs versioning machine readable: automatically updated
13:11:30 <Vangelis> SAZ: take major or whole version numbering from cvs and communicate to public
13:13:55 <Vangelis> Resolution: Have CVS versioning machine readable (variable) and communicate to the public
13:14:39 <Vangelis> SAZ: Next element for consideration testElement
13:15:59 <Vangelis> SAZ: how that (refering) worked in bentoweb? 
13:16:05 <Vangelis> CV: no major issue
13:17:56 <Vangelis> SAZ: seams this raises issues on the dependency of technologies used
13:19:46 <Vangelis> SAZ: Should we try and see how it will go?
13:21:41 <Vangelis> Resolution: keep it and give a try. also keep an eye for resource consumption
13:21:57 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
13:22:38 <Vangelis> CS: what about dc:rights ?
13:22:57 <Vangelis> SAZ: no, this is ok
13:23:42 <Vangelis> CS: drop dc:contributor and source? other comment ?
13:24:54 <Vangelis> Resolution:  drop dc:contributor and source
13:25:29 <Vangelis> SAZ: preConditions, i take it bak
13:26:18 <Vangelis> SAZ: tcdl starts from 1 and earl from 0. propose to earl group start from 1
13:28:03 <Vangelis> CS: rules element - for bentoweb rule is only one with one or more locations - if it seems you have more than 1 it means you should have more than 1 test cases (for betoweb)
13:29:14 <Vangelis> SAZ: need to work on that little more
13:30:34 <Vangelis> SAZ: only need to describe a little better
13:31:41 <Vangelis> SA: what is the use to cols / rows?
13:31:50 <Vangelis> CV: human and machine readable
13:33:32 <Vangelis> CV: continue next week with tcdl - take decisions before call (mailing list)
13:33:39 <Zakim> -Shane
13:33:39 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:33:41 <Zakim> -Vangelis
13:33:43 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:33:45 <Zakim> -CarlosI
13:33:53 <Zakim> -carlosV
13:34:06 <Zakim> -Cooper
13:34:08 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
13:34:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Shane, Vangelis, CarlosV, CarlosI, Cooper, Tim_Boland, Christophe_Strobbe
13:34:38 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:34:52 <shadi> scribe: Vangelis
13:34:55 <shadi> scribenick: Vangelis
13:35:01 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:35:05 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
13:35:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
13:35:08 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:35:13 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
13:35:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items