IRC log of rif on 2006-09-12

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14:41:06 [ChrisW]

ChrisW has changed the topic to: 12 Sept RIF Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0015.html

14:42:07 [ChrisW]

Meeting: RIF Telecon 12 Sep 06

14:42:07 [ChrisW]

Chair: Christian de Sainte-Marie

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0015.html

14:43:24 [ChrisW]

Regrets: JeffPan, JosDeRoo, DeborahNichols, AxelPolleres, MohamedZergaoui, MichaelSintek

14:43:53 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:43:53 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-minutes.html ChrisW

14:44:03 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, make record public

14:45:11 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, make record public

14:47:00 [ChrisW]

zakim, list agenda

14:47:00 [Zakim]

I see nothing on the agenda

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Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/

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14:48:06 [ChrisW]

zakim, read agenda from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/att-0010/RIF-Agenda.rdf

14:48:06 [Zakim]

working on it, ChrisW

14:48:07 [Zakim]

agenda+ Admin

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agendum 1 added

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agenda+ Liaison

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agendum 2 added

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agenda+ Use Cases and Requirements

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agendum 3 added

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agenda+ RIF-RAF

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agendum 4 added

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agenda+ Technical Design

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agendum 5 added

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agenda+ AOB

14:48:22 [Zakim]

agendum 6 added

14:48:24 [Zakim]

done reading agenda, ChrisW

14:48:26 [sandro]

most excellent, ChrisW. :-)

14:48:34 [sandro]

rifbot, help

14:48:34 [rifbot]

See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)

14:49:11 [sandro]

Basic rifbot format: ACTION: <user> to <title> - due <when>

14:49:22 [sandro]

or just: ACTION: <user> to <title>

14:49:30 [ChrisW]

got it

14:49:41 [ChrisW]

zakim, this will be rif

14:49:41 [Zakim]

ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

14:49:52 [sandro]

and <when> can be eg "1 week" "2 months" "2006-09-14"

14:50:13 [sandro]

let's hope we don't burn out the database hardware again this week. :-)

14:50:15 [ChrisW]

i have the help page up

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SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started

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+LeoraMorgenstern

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+??P12

14:58:35 [csma]

zakim, ??P12 is me

14:58:35 [Zakim]

+csma; got it

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+[IPcaller]

14:58:42 [FrankMcCabe]

zakim, ipcaller is me

14:58:42 [Zakim]

+FrankMcCabe; got it

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+Hassan_Ait-Kaci

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zakim, help

14:59:41 [Zakim]

Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.

14:59:43 [Zakim]

Some of the commands I know are:

14:59:44 [Zakim]

xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx

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if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted

14:59:48 [Zakim]

xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx

14:59:50 [Zakim]

I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx

14:59:53 [Zakim]

xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group

14:59:55 [Zakim]

xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx

14:59:57 [Zakim]

who's here? - lists the participants on the phone

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who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted

15:00:03 [Zakim]

mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)

15:00:05 [Zakim]

unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#

15:00:07 [Zakim]

is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present

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list conferences - reports the active conferences

15:00:11 [Zakim]

this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx

15:00:12 [Zakim]

excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel

15:00:14 [Zakim]

I last learned something new on $Date: 2006/01/31 19:07:09 $

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+[IPcaller]

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+[NRCC]

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+??P16

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-[IPcaller]

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zakim, [NRCC] is me

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+Harold; got it

15:00:39 [Francois]

zakim, ??P16 is me.

15:00:39 [Zakim]

+Francois; got it

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+[IBM]

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zakim, mute me.

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Francois should now be muted

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zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me

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+ChrisW; got it

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+[IPcaller]

15:01:20 [ChrisW]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:01:21 [Zakim]

On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, FrankMcCabe, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Harold, Francois (muted), ChrisW, [IPcaller]

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+[IPcaller.a]

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+??P29

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-LeoraMorgenstern

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+Dave_Reynolds (was ??P29)

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+??P33

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+PaulaP

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zakim, ??P33 is me

15:01:38 [igor]

zakim, ??P29 is me

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+pfps; got it

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I already had ??P29 as Dave_Reynolds, igor

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+Allen_Ginsberg

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+LeoraMorgenstern

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-MarkusK

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+Mike_Dean

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+[IPcaller.a]

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scribenick: pfps

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Scribe: Peter Patel-Schneider

15:03:09 [csma]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:03:09 [Zakim]

On the phone I see csma, FrankMcCabe, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Harold, Francois (muted), ChrisW, [IPcaller], Dave_Reynolds, pfps, PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg, LeoraMorgenstern

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... (muted), Mike_Dean, DavidHirtle

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+[IPcaller.a]

15:03:45 [igor]

zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

15:03:45 [Zakim]

+igor; got it

15:03:45 [ChrisW]

zakim, next agendum

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agendum 1. "Admin" taken up

15:03:52 [pfps]

csma: next meeting is next week

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csma: minutes from 5 september are approved

15:04:18 [ChrisW]

Sept 5 minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/att-0009/05-rif-minutes.html

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+[IBM]

15:04:38 [StellaMitchell]

zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me

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+StellaMitchell; got it

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+[IPcaller.a]

15:04:49 [pfps]

csma: agenda addenda: approve minutes for F2F3, update for F2F4

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f2f3 minutes: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/F2F3

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csma: approve F2F3 minutes (on wiki, linked from this meeting agenda)

15:06:07 [pfps]

csma: no opposition, so approved! (belatedly)

15:06:19 [ChrisW]

RESOLVED: approved Sept 5 telecon minutes

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csma: F2F4 update

15:06:29 [ChrisW]

RESOLVED: approved f2f3 minutes

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http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/F2F4

15:06:50 [johnhall]

zakim, ipcaller.a is me

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+johnhall; got it

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zakim, mute me

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johnhall should now be muted

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+Gary_Hallmark

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pfps: registration for F2F4 is open (currently in a temporary location, will be moved into W3C space)

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pfps: please register soon, even though there is no price change

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pfps: registration for ISWC changes in price on 15 September!

15:10:03 [mdean]

q+

15:10:44 [ChrisW]

ACTION: Peter to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Peter

15:10:56 [ChrisW]

ACTION: PeterPatel to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc

15:10:56 [rifbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - PeterPatel

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ack mdean

15:12:36 [ChrisW]

ACTION: PeterF to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc

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Sorry, couldn't find user - PeterF

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ACTION: Peter F to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Peter

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ACTION: ppatel to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc

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Sorry, couldn't find user - ppatel

15:13:41 [ChrisW]

ACTION: ppatelsc2 to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc

15:13:41 [rifbot]

Created ACTION-103 - Update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc [on Peter F. Patel-Schneider - due 2006-09-19].

15:14:08 [pfps]

hassan: registration form does not mention country

15:14:10 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, delete action 5, 4, 3, 2

15:14:10 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'delete action 5, 4, 3, 2', ChrisW. Try /msg RRSAgent help

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rrsagent, delete action 5

15:14:16 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'delete action 5', ChrisW. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:14:24 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, remove action 5

15:14:24 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'remove action 5', ChrisW. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:14:29 [pfps]

pfps: I expect that the registration organization will do the right thing

15:14:30 [Zakim]

+GiorgosStoilos

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rrsagent, action- 5

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rrsagent, action- 4

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rrsagent, action- 3

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next agendum

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 2 was just opened, pfps

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zakim, next agendum

15:16:22 [Zakim]

agendum 2 was just opened, pfps

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zakim, move to agendum 3

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agendum 3. "Use Cases and Requirements" taken up

15:16:49 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, action- 2

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rrsagent, action- 1

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rrsagent, list actions

15:17:10 [RRSAgent]

I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: ppatelsc2 to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc [6]

15:17:10 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-13-41

15:17:58 [pfps]

csma: actions 58, 96 continued

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+MichaelKifer

15:20:10 [pfps]

csma: restart task force on phase 1 compatability with RDF and OWL?

15:21:14 [csma]

q?

15:21:24 [pfps]

chrisWelty: to consider using RDF as data format for RIF and the part of OWL that is positive Horn as part of phase 1

15:21:27 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, mute me

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MichaelKifer should now be muted

15:21:46 [pfps]

csma: isn't this covered by "coverage" requirement

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chrisWelty: because RDF and OWL are W3C standards they might deserve special attention

15:23:00 [pfps]

csma: make this part of the questionaire?

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chrisWelty: the question is "what part of RDF / OWL fits into RIF (phase 1)?"

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chrisWelty: we need some people to make a "proposal" here

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csma: volunteers? two people to draft a proposal for what part of OWL should be in RIF phase 1

15:25:24 [csma]

q?

15:25:24 [DaveReynolds]

q+

15:25:33 [pfps]

csma: no volunteers - this might mean that nothing of OWL is in pase 1

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ack dave

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DaveReynolds: OWL only (is RDF separate)?

15:26:09 [pfps]

csma: two different questions

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q+

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ack pfps

15:26:51 [pfps]

pfps: how long can this be open?

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chrisWelty: this telecon ONLY

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q-

15:27:21 [DaveReynolds]

where was this on the agenda?

15:27:28 [DavidHirtle]

(good question)

15:28:38 [pfps]

csma: volunteers for how RDF fits into phase 1

15:29:07 [pfps]

DaveReynolds: what is the timescale

15:29:56 [pfps]

ChrisWelty: next draft is supposed to go out by 8 October, but otherwise no rush

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csma: so the deadline for the next working draft is 26 September

15:30:37 [Zakim]

-MichaelKifer

15:30:55 [pfps]

DaveReynolds: thinking ... may volunteer later

15:31:15 [pfps]

DaveReynolds: how much (verbiage) would be needed?

15:31:48 [DavidHirtle]

wording on OWL: "RIF must cover OWL knowledge bases as data where compatible with Phase 1 semantics."

15:32:35 [pfps]

ChrisWelty: things are currently quite simple, certainly they need to be updated to be in sync with other parts of UCR

15:33:53 [pfps]

csma: other actions continued

15:34:33 [Francois]

Sorry, I must leave. bye.

15:34:44 [pfps]

csma: issue 5 done

15:35:25 [Zakim]

-Francois

15:35:46 [DaveReynolds]

Try: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/products/10

15:36:24 [csma]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/9

15:36:47 [ChrisW]

PROPOSED: CLose issue 9

15:37:00 [ChrisW]

RESOLVED: close issue 9

15:37:01 [pfps]

csma: no objection, so closed

15:37:06 [ChrisW]

PROPOSED: CLose issue 10

15:37:14 [ChrisW]

RESOLVED: close issue 10

15:37:45 [csma]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/5

15:38:15 [pfps]

Allen: email has been sent on Issue 5

15:38:36 [ChrisW]

Allen's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0014.html

15:38:57 [PaulaP]

yes

15:39:15 [PaulaP]

ok

15:39:28 [ChrisW]

Regrets: JosDeBruijn

15:39:44 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:39:44 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-minutes.html ChrisW

15:40:29 [ChrisW]

Regrets: JeffPan, JosDeRoo, DeborahNichols, AxelPolleres, MohamedZergaoui, MichaelSintek, JosDeBruijn

15:40:44 [Zakim]

+??P43

15:40:46 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, mute me

15:40:46 [Zakim]

sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not see a party named 'MichaelKifer'

15:40:57 [pfps]

Paula: I don't understand what is needed to improve 2.2

15:41:07 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, p43 is me

15:41:07 [Zakim]

sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not recognize a party named 'p43'

15:41:12 [ChrisW]

ACTION: Dreynold2 to clarify with pauly what to do to improve 2.2

15:41:12 [rifbot]

Created ACTION-104 - Clarify with pauly what to do to improve 2.2 [on Dave Reynolds - due 2006-09-19].

15:41:13 [csma]

q?

15:41:24 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, P43 is me

15:41:24 [Zakim]

sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not recognize a party named 'P43'

15:41:44 [pfps]

Allen: implemented suggestion for 2.3

15:41:58 [ChrisW]

zakim, ??p43 is MichaelKifer

15:41:58 [Zakim]

+MichaelKifer; got it

15:42:29 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, mute me

15:42:29 [Zakim]

MichaelKifer should now be muted

15:42:37 [pfps]

csma: therefore item 3 is done

15:42:51 [ChrisW]

item 3 or 2?

15:43:05 [pfps]

pfps: csma: therefore item 2 (not 3) is done

15:43:53 [pfps]

Allen: item 3 - agree with comments on tagging - but nothing done yet

15:43:55 [johnhall]

yes

15:45:05 [ChrisW]

ACTION: jhall2 to work with Frank to merge use cases 4 and 5

15:45:05 [rifbot]

Created ACTION-105 - Work with Frank to merge use cases 4 and 5 [on John Hall - due 2006-09-19].

15:45:34 [pfps]

Allen: item 4 - agree with suggestion but some editing needed (by Frank)

15:45:46 [ChrisW]

ACTION: fmccabe to modify use case 5

15:45:46 [rifbot]

Created ACTION-106 - Modify use case 5 [on Francis McCabe - due 2006-09-19].

15:46:13 [pfps]

Allen: item 5 - done with reference added as well

15:47:27 [pfps]

Frank: I might not agree with comment - doesn't look repetitious - will edit as I think appropriate

15:48:05 [pfps]

DaveReynolds: this is minor - best effort is OK by me

15:48:40 [pfps]

csma: need Deborah for Issue 13

15:49:10 [pfps]

csma: consider Issue 6

15:49:42 [pfps]

csma: item 1 - comments?

15:50:13 [pfps]

chrisWelty: there was discussion at F2F3

15:50:48 [ChrisW]

zakim, who is talking?

15:50:58 [Zakim]

ChrisW, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: csma (19%), igor (95%), ChrisW (69%)

15:51:04 [ChrisW]

zakim, mute igor

15:51:04 [Zakim]

igor should now be muted

15:51:38 [pfps]

ChrisWelty: compliance - which features to implement; default behaviour - what to do with unimplemented features

15:51:48 [ChrisW]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Requirements

15:52:00 [pfps]

DaveReynolds: this sounds OK

15:52:30 [pfps]

cmsa: item 2 - comments?

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15:53:36 [pfps]

DaveReynolds: current wording doesn't make much of a distinction

15:54:02 [pfps]

csma: standard components may be targetted to something like XML parsing

15:54:30 [pfps]

csma: volunteers

15:54:44 [pfps]

csma; volunteers?

15:55:32 [pfps]

DaveReynolds: does proposed solution for item 3 need word smithing

15:55:53 [ChrisW]

RIF must support an appropriate set of scalar datatypes and associated

15:55:53 [ChrisW]

operations as defined in XML Schema part 2 and associated specifications

15:56:38 [DavidHirtle]

I think Sandro had input on this issue

15:56:38 [pfps]

csma: will put up proposal for adoption at next telecon

15:57:07 [ChrisW]

ACTION: Dreynold2 to post email on rewording of xml datatype requirement

15:57:07 [rifbot]

Created ACTION-107 - Post email on rewording of xml datatype requirement [on Dave Reynolds - due 2006-09-19].

15:57:22 [pfps]

csma: issue 22 - definition of cover

15:58:14 [pfps]

csma: there have been several definitions of cover

15:58:53 [Zakim]

-LeoraMorgenstern

15:58:54 [pfps]

csma: action to gather definitions and propose a synthesis

15:59:00 [pfps]

Allen: where are the other definitions?

15:59:02 [DavidHirtle]

q+

15:59:16 [ChrisW]

action: aginsber to gather definitions of covers and propose a synthesis

15:59:16 [rifbot]

Created ACTION-108 - Gather definitions of covers and propose a synthesis [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2006-09-19].

15:59:22 [csma]

q?

15:59:31 [pfps]

csma: minutes of F2F3, email from pfps, one from Sandro - ask WG as well for others

15:59:46 [csma]

ack davidH

15:59:59 [pfps]

DavidHirtle: definition from Allen as well?

16:00:03 [ChrisW]

rrsagent, list actions

16:00:03 [RRSAgent]

I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-actions.rdf :

16:00:03 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ppatelsc2 to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc [6]

16:00:03 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-13-41

16:00:03 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Dreynold2 to clarify with pauly what to do to improve 2.2 [7]

16:00:03 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-41-12

16:00:03 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jhall2 to work with Frank to merge use cases 4 and 5 [8]

16:00:03 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-45-05

16:00:03 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: fmccabe to modify use case 5 [9]

16:00:03 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-45-46

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ACTION: Dreynold2 to post email on rewording of xml datatype requirement [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-57-07

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ACTION: aginsber to gather definitions of covers and propose a synthesis [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-59-16

16:00:38 [DavidHirtle]

q-

16:00:51 [Zakim]

-Allen_Ginsberg

16:01:07 [ChrisW]

zakim, next agendum

16:01:07 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Liaison" taken up

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zakim, move to agendum 4

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agendum 4. "RIF-RAF" taken up

16:01:29 [Allen]

Have to go, see you next week.

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-minutes.html ChrisW

16:02:13 [pfps]

csma: action on hassan

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hassan: RIFRAF currently concerns several kinds of rules

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hassan: concerns about vocabulary in RIFRAF (head, body, variables, etc.)

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hassan: need to worry about things like directionality

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hassan: a proposal was made last week, but has not been written up

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hassan: thus action is continued

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hassan: I need information about PRR (from csma)

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csma: will send

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csma: action 89 continued - no Alex

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csma: action 94 continued

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q+

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ack hassa

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csma: proposal on what to do with questionaire (by email)

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hassan: how about having session in F2F4 on questionnaire (and its results)?

16:08:20 [PaulaP]

I will try to find time to answer it for XChange

16:09:01 [pfps]

csma: questionnaire should now be fairly complete - but missing actions and types

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hassan: agreed - still need features of actions

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q?

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csma: there are proposals for types what to do?

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frank: yes - there is already a merged list of questions - but maybe need to be better organized

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csma: can we get the questions?

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Aug/0032.html

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hassan: propose adding these questions

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csma: needs to be added by Alex

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frank: I can clean up list of questions

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s/axel/alex/

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frank: questionnaire is currently modified by cut-and-paste of text

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ChrisWelty: better to put this all up on a Wiki page

16:13:24 [ChrisW]

ACTION: fmccabe to move types hierarchy to wiki page

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Created ACTION-109 - Move types hierarchy to wiki page [on Francis McCabe - due 2006-09-19].

16:13:46 [Hassan]

q-

16:13:47 [pfps]

zakim, next agendum

16:13:48 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Liaison" taken up

16:13:58 [ChrisW]

zakim, take up agendum 5

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agendum 5. "Technical Design" taken up

16:14:00 [pfps]

zakim, move to agendum 5

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agendum 5. "Technical Design" taken up

16:14:18 [ChrisW]

zakim, learn how to count

16:14:18 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'learn how to count', ChrisW

16:14:25 [ChrisW]

that's obvious!

16:14:25 [pfps]

csma: merged semantics for WD1

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Harold: there is a merged version and a further change from Michael Kifer

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http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/A.1_Basis%3A_Positive_Conditions

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q?

16:16:28 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, unmute me

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MichaelKifer should no longer be muted

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q+

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pfps: philosophical difference between proposal of mine and "merger"

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...prefer a single semantics

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...differences handled by controlled partial adherence to spec

16:18:52 [Harold]

q+

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q?

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ack michael

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ack harold

16:21:45 [pfps]

MichaelKifer: currently there is a single semantics

16:21:51 [ChrisW]

action: ppatelsc2 to read "merged" semantics proposal

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Created ACTION-110 - Read \"merged\" semantics proposal [on Peter F. Patel-Schneider - due 2006-09-19].

16:21:58 [MichaelKifer]

q-

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pfps: this looks potentially viable - will check

16:22:48 [pfps]

Harold: there are some wrinkles needed for constants

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csma: how about adding heads?

16:24:14 [ChrisW]

action: mkifer to draft extension to existing proposal to include heads

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Created ACTION-111 - Draft extension to existing proposal to include heads [on Michael Kifer - due 2006-09-19].

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MichaelKifer: will be easy

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csma: XML syntax?

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action hboley to work on the synax, human readable and xml

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action: hboley to work on the synax, human readable and xml

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Created ACTION-112 - Work on the synax, human readable and xml [on Harold Boley - due 2006-09-19].

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csma: what about data sources?

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q+

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cmsa: how are variables bound?

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q?

16:27:31 [ChrisW]

ack hassan

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ack hassan

16:27:42 [Harold]

Usually, in Horn rules, the scope of variables is one clause at a time only.

16:28:11 [pfps]

hassan: propose refinement of variable and scope

16:28:24 [pfps]

csma: wait for Hassan's answer, therefore

16:28:27 [Harold]

The notion of scope we had been discussing applied to the scope of clauses within rulebases.

16:28:28 [Hassan]

q-

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q?

16:28:42 [ChrisW]

zakim, take up agendum 6

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agendum 6. "AOB" taken up

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+1

16:29:08 [PaulaP]

+1

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csma: close

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-Gary_Hallmark

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-Hassan_Ait-Kaci

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-Harold

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bye

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-StellaMitchell

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-[IPcaller]

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-GiorgosStoilos

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-minutes.html ChrisW

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-FrankMcCabe

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-PaulaP

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-MichaelKifer

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-DavidHirtle

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-Dave_Reynolds

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-Mike_Dean

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-johnhall

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-igor

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zakim, leave

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were LeoraMorgenstern, csma, FrankMcCabe, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, [IPcaller], Harold, Francois, ChrisW, Dave_Reynolds, MarkusK, PaulaP, pfps,

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... Allen_Ginsberg, Mike_Dean, DavidHirtle, igor, StellaMitchell, johnhall, Gary_Hallmark, GiorgosStoilos, MichaelKifer

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-minutes.html ChrisW

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