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14:41:06 <ChrisW> ChrisW has changed the topic to: 12 Sept RIF Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0015.html
14:42:07 <ChrisW> Meeting: RIF Telecon 12 Sep 06
14:42:07 <ChrisW> Chair: Christian de Sainte-Marie
14:42:07 <ChrisW> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0015.html
14:43:24 <ChrisW> Regrets: JeffPan, JosDeRoo, DeborahNichols, AxelPolleres, MohamedZergaoui, MichaelSintek
14:43:53 <ChrisW> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:43:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
14:44:03 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make record public
14:45:11 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make record public
14:47:00 <ChrisW> zakim, list agenda
14:47:00 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:47:30 <rifbot> rifbot has joined #rif
14:47:31 <rifbot> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/
14:48:05 <Harold> Harold has joined #rif
14:48:06 <ChrisW> zakim, read agenda from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/att-0010/RIF-Agenda.rdf
14:48:06 <Zakim> working on it, ChrisW
14:48:07 <Zakim> agenda+ Admin
14:48:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
14:48:10 <Zakim> agenda+ Liaison
14:48:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
14:48:12 <Zakim> agenda+ Use Cases and Requirements
14:48:13 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
14:48:14 <Zakim> agenda+ RIF-RAF
14:48:15 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
14:48:16 <Zakim> agenda+ Technical Design
14:48:18 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
14:48:20 <Zakim> agenda+ AOB
14:48:22 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
14:48:24 <Zakim> done reading agenda, ChrisW
14:48:26 <sandro> most excellent, ChrisW.  :-)
14:48:34 <sandro> rifbot, help
14:48:34 <rifbot> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)
14:49:11 <sandro> Basic rifbot format:   ACTION: <user> to <title> - due <when>
14:49:22 <sandro> or just:    ACTION: <user> to <title>
14:49:30 <ChrisW> got it
14:49:41 <ChrisW> zakim, this will be rif
14:49:41 <Zakim> ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:52 <sandro> and <when> can be eg "1 week" "2 months" "2006-09-14"
14:50:13 <sandro> let's hope we don't burn out the database hardware again this week.  :-)
14:50:15 <ChrisW> i have the help page up
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14:57:16 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
14:57:23 <Zakim> +LeoraMorgenstern
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14:58:24 <Zakim> +??P12
14:58:35 <csma> zakim, ??P12 is me
14:58:35 <Zakim> +csma; got it
14:58:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:58:42 <FrankMcCabe> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:58:42 <Zakim> +FrankMcCabe; got it
14:58:50 <igor> igor has joined #rif
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14:59:17 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
14:59:18 <Francois> Francois has joined #rif
14:59:41 <FrankMcCabe> zakim, help
14:59:41 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
14:59:43 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
14:59:44 <Zakim>  xxx is yyy       - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
14:59:46 <Zakim>                     if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
14:59:48 <Zakim>  xxx may be yyy   - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
14:59:50 <Zakim>  I am xxx         - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
14:59:53 <Zakim>  xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
14:59:55 <Zakim>  xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
14:59:57 <Zakim>  who's here?      - lists the participants on the phone
15:00:00 <Zakim>  who's muted?     - lists the participants who are muted
15:00:03 <Zakim>  mute xxx         - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
15:00:05 <Zakim>  unmute xxx       - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
15:00:07 <Zakim>  is xxx here?     - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
15:00:09 <Zakim>  list conferences - reports the active conferences
15:00:11 <Zakim>  this is xxx      - associates this channel with conference xxx
15:00:12 <Zakim>  excuse us        - disconnects from the irc channel
15:00:14 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2006/09/12 21:40:15 $
15:00:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:15 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has joined #rif
15:00:16 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
15:00:22 <Zakim> +??P16
15:00:29 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:00:36 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me
15:00:36 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
15:00:39 <Francois> zakim, ??P16 is me.
15:00:39 <Zakim> +Francois; got it
15:00:43 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:00:58 <Francois> zakim, mute me.
15:00:58 <Zakim> Francois should now be muted
15:00:58 <pfps> pfps has joined #rif
15:01:03 <ChrisW> zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
15:01:03 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
15:01:04 <johnhall> johnhall has joined #rif
15:01:15 <mdean> mdean has joined #rif
15:01:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:20 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, FrankMcCabe, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Harold, Francois (muted), ChrisW, [IPcaller]
15:01:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:01:25 <Zakim> +??P29
15:01:25 <Zakim> -LeoraMorgenstern
15:01:27 <Zakim> +Dave_Reynolds (was ??P29)
15:01:28 <Zakim> +??P33
15:01:32 <Zakim> +PaulaP
15:01:38 <pfps> zakim, ??P33 is me
15:01:38 <igor> zakim, ??P29 is me
15:01:39 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
15:01:40 <Zakim> I already had ??P29 as Dave_Reynolds, igor
15:01:46 <Allen> Allen has joined #rif
15:01:50 <Zakim> +Allen_Ginsberg
15:01:53 <Zakim> +LeoraMorgenstern
15:02:15 <Zakim> -MarkusK
15:02:20 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
15:02:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:02:48 <ChrisW> scribenick: pfps
15:03:00 <ChrisW> Scribe: Peter Patel-Schneider
15:03:09 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, FrankMcCabe, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Harold, Francois (muted), ChrisW, [IPcaller], Dave_Reynolds, pfps, PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg, LeoraMorgenstern
15:03:09 <StellaMitchell> StellaMitchell has joined #rif
15:03:13 <Zakim> ... (muted), Mike_Dean, DavidHirtle
15:03:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:03:45 <igor> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
15:03:45 <Zakim> +igor; got it
15:03:45 <ChrisW> zakim, next agendum
15:03:46 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up
15:03:52 <pfps> csma: next meeting is next week
15:04:15 <pfps> csma: minutes from 5 september are approved
15:04:18 <ChrisW> Sept 5 minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/att-0009/05-rif-minutes.html
15:04:18 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:04:38 <StellaMitchell> zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
15:04:38 <Zakim> +StellaMitchell; got it
15:04:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:04:49 <pfps> csma: agenda addenda: approve minutes for F2F3, update for F2F4
15:05:39 <ChrisW> f2f3 minutes: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/F2F3
15:05:40 <pfps> csma: approve F2F3 minutes (on wiki, linked from this meeting agenda)
15:06:07 <pfps> csma: no opposition, so approved! (belatedly)
15:06:19 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: approved Sept 5 telecon minutes
15:06:24 <pfps> csma: F2F4 update
15:06:29 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: approved f2f3 minutes
15:06:49 <csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/F2F4
15:06:50 <johnhall> zakim, ipcaller.a is me
15:06:50 <Zakim> +johnhall; got it
15:06:58 <johnhall> zakim, mute me
15:06:58 <Zakim> johnhall should now be muted
15:07:16 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
15:07:52 <pfps> pfps: registration for F2F4 is open (currently in a temporary location, will be moved into W3C  space)
15:08:23 <GaryHallmark> GaryHallmark has joined #rif
15:09:37 <pfps> pfps: please register soon, even though there is no price change
15:10:01 <pfps> pfps: registration for ISWC changes in price on 15 September!
15:10:03 <mdean> q+
15:10:44 <ChrisW> ACTION: Peter to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc
15:10:44 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Peter
15:10:56 <ChrisW> ACTION: PeterPatel to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc
15:10:56 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - PeterPatel
15:11:27 <csma> ack mdean
15:12:36 <ChrisW> ACTION: PeterF to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc
15:12:36 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - PeterF
15:12:47 <ChrisW> ACTION: Peter F to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc
15:12:47 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Peter
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15:13:25 <ChrisW> ACTION: ppatel to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc
15:13:25 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ppatel
15:13:41 <ChrisW> ACTION: ppatelsc2 to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc
15:13:41 <rifbot> Created ACTION-103 - Update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc [on Peter F. Patel-Schneider - due 2006-09-19].
15:14:08 <pfps> hassan: registration form does not mention country
15:14:10 <ChrisW> rrsagent, delete action 5, 4, 3, 2
15:14:10 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'delete action 5, 4, 3, 2', ChrisW.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:14:14 <MoZ> MoZ has joined #rif
15:14:16 <ChrisW> rrsagent, delete action 5
15:14:16 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'delete action 5', ChrisW.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:14:24 <ChrisW> rrsagent, remove action 5
15:14:24 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'remove action 5', ChrisW.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:14:29 <pfps> pfps:  I expect that the registration organization will do the right thing
15:14:30 <Zakim> +GiorgosStoilos
15:15:11 <ChrisW> rrsagent, action- 5
15:15:14 <ChrisW> rrsagent, action- 4
15:15:25 <ChrisW> rrsagent, action- 3
15:15:29 <ChrisW> next agendum
15:15:38 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
15:15:38 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, pfps
15:16:05 <MichaelKifer> MichaelKifer has joined #rif
15:16:22 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
15:16:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, pfps
15:16:33 <pfps> zakim, move to agendum 3
15:16:33 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Use Cases and Requirements" taken up
15:16:49 <ChrisW> rrsagent, action- 2
15:16:59 <ChrisW> rrsagent, action- 1
15:17:10 <ChrisW> rrsagent, list actions
15:17:10 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-actions.rdf :
15:17:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ppatelsc2 to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc [6]
15:17:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-13-41
15:17:58 <pfps> csma:  actions 58, 96 continued
15:18:19 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer
15:20:10 <pfps> csma: restart task force on phase 1 compatability with RDF and OWL?
15:21:14 <csma> q?
15:21:24 <pfps> chrisWelty: to consider using RDF as data format for RIF and the part of OWL that is positive Horn as part of phase 1
15:21:27 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:21:27 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:21:46 <pfps> csma: isn't this covered by "coverage" requirement
15:22:20 <pfps> chrisWelty: because RDF and OWL are W3C standards they might deserve special attention
15:23:00 <pfps> csma:  make this part of the questionaire?
15:23:30 <pfps> chrisWelty: the question is "what part of RDF / OWL fits into RIF (phase 1)?"
15:24:31 <pfps> chrisWelty:  we need some people to make a "proposal" here
15:25:08 <pfps> csma: volunteers? two people to draft a proposal for what part of OWL should be in RIF phase 1
15:25:24 <csma> q?
15:25:24 <DaveReynolds> q+
15:25:33 <pfps> csma: no volunteers - this might mean that nothing of OWL is in pase 1
15:25:38 <csma> ack dave
15:25:56 <pfps> DaveReynolds:  OWL only (is RDF separate)?
15:26:09 <pfps> csma: two different questions
15:26:11 <pfps> q+
15:26:22 <csma> ack pfps
15:26:51 <pfps> pfps: how long can this be open?
15:27:04 <pfps> chrisWelty: this telecon ONLY
15:27:05 <pfps> q-
15:27:21 <DaveReynolds> where was this on the agenda?
15:27:28 <DavidHirtle> (good question)
15:28:38 <pfps> csma: volunteers for how RDF fits into phase 1
15:29:07 <pfps> DaveReynolds: what is the timescale
15:29:56 <pfps> ChrisWelty: next draft is supposed to go out by 8 October, but otherwise no rush
15:30:16 <pfps> csma: so the deadline for the next working draft is 26 September
15:30:37 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
15:30:55 <pfps> DaveReynolds: thinking ... may volunteer later
15:31:15 <pfps> DaveReynolds:  how much (verbiage) would be needed?
15:31:48 <DavidHirtle> wording on OWL: "RIF must cover OWL knowledge bases as data where compatible with Phase 1 semantics."
15:32:35 <pfps> ChrisWelty: things are currently quite simple, certainly they need to be updated to be in sync with other parts of UCR
15:33:53 <pfps> csma: other actions continued
15:34:33 <Francois> Sorry, I must leave. bye. 
15:34:44 <pfps> csma: issue 5 done
15:35:25 <Zakim> -Francois
15:35:46 <DaveReynolds> Try: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/products/10
15:36:24 <csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/9
15:36:47 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: CLose issue 9
15:37:00 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: close issue 9
15:37:01 <pfps> csma: no objection, so closed
15:37:06 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: CLose issue 10
15:37:14 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: close issue 10
15:37:45 <csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/5
15:38:15 <pfps> Allen: email has been sent on Issue 5
15:38:36 <ChrisW> Allen's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0014.html
15:38:57 <PaulaP> yes
15:39:15 <PaulaP> ok
15:39:28 <ChrisW> Regrets: JosDeBruijn
15:39:44 <ChrisW> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:39:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
15:40:29 <ChrisW> Regrets: JeffPan, JosDeRoo, DeborahNichols, AxelPolleres, MohamedZergaoui, MichaelSintek, JosDeBruijn
15:40:44 <Zakim> +??P43
15:40:46 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:40:46 <Zakim> sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not see a party named 'MichaelKifer'
15:40:57 <pfps> Paula:  I don't understand what is needed to improve 2.2
15:41:07 <MichaelKifer> zakim, p43 is me
15:41:07 <Zakim> sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not recognize a party named 'p43'
15:41:12 <ChrisW> ACTION: Dreynold2 to clarify with pauly what to do to improve 2.2
15:41:12 <rifbot> Created ACTION-104 - Clarify with pauly what to do to improve 2.2 [on Dave Reynolds - due 2006-09-19].
15:41:13 <csma> q?
15:41:24 <MichaelKifer> zakim, P43 is me
15:41:24 <Zakim> sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not recognize a party named 'P43'
15:41:44 <pfps> Allen: implemented suggestion for 2.3
15:41:58 <ChrisW> zakim, ??p43 is MichaelKifer
15:41:58 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer; got it
15:42:29 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:42:29 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:42:37 <pfps> csma: therefore item 3 is done
15:42:51 <ChrisW> item 3 or 2?
15:43:05 <pfps> pfps: csma: therefore item 2 (not 3) is done
15:43:53 <pfps> Allen: item 3 - agree with comments on tagging - but nothing done yet
15:43:55 <johnhall> yes
15:45:05 <ChrisW> ACTION: jhall2 to work with Frank to merge use cases 4 and 5
15:45:05 <rifbot> Created ACTION-105 - Work with Frank to merge use cases 4 and 5 [on John Hall - due 2006-09-19].
15:45:34 <pfps> Allen: item 4 - agree with suggestion but some editing needed (by Frank)
15:45:46 <ChrisW> ACTION: fmccabe to modify use case 5
15:45:46 <rifbot> Created ACTION-106 - Modify use case 5 [on Francis McCabe - due 2006-09-19].
15:46:13 <pfps> Allen: item 5 - done with reference added as well
15:47:27 <pfps> Frank: I might not agree with comment - doesn't look repetitious - will edit as I think appropriate
15:48:05 <pfps> DaveReynolds:  this is minor - best effort is OK by me
15:48:40 <pfps> csma: need Deborah for Issue 13
15:49:10 <pfps> csma: consider Issue 6
15:49:42 <pfps> csma: item 1 - comments?
15:50:13 <pfps> chrisWelty: there was discussion at F2F3
15:50:48 <ChrisW> zakim, who is talking?
15:50:58 <Zakim> ChrisW, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: csma (19%), igor (95%), ChrisW (69%)
15:51:04 <ChrisW> zakim, mute igor
15:51:04 <Zakim> igor should now be muted
15:51:38 <pfps> ChrisWelty: compliance - which features to implement; default behaviour - what to do with unimplemented features
15:51:48 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Requirements
15:52:00 <pfps> DaveReynolds:  this sounds OK
15:52:30 <pfps> cmsa: item 2 - comments?
15:52:44 <sandro> sandro has joined #rif
15:53:36 <pfps> DaveReynolds: current wording doesn't make much of a distinction
15:54:02 <pfps> csma: standard components may be targetted to something like XML parsing
15:54:30 <pfps> csma:  volunteers
15:54:44 <pfps> csma; volunteers?
15:55:32 <pfps> DaveReynolds: does proposed solution for item 3 need word smithing
15:55:53 <ChrisW> RIF must support an appropriate set of scalar datatypes and associated 
15:55:53 <ChrisW> operations as defined in XML Schema part 2 and associated specifications
15:56:38 <DavidHirtle> I think Sandro had input on this issue
15:56:38 <pfps> csma: will put up proposal for adoption at next telecon
15:57:07 <ChrisW> ACTION: Dreynold2 to post email on rewording of xml datatype requirement
15:57:07 <rifbot> Created ACTION-107 - Post email on rewording of xml datatype requirement [on Dave Reynolds - due 2006-09-19].
15:57:22 <pfps> csma: issue 22 - definition of cover 
15:58:14 <pfps> csma:  there have been several definitions of cover
15:58:53 <Zakim> -LeoraMorgenstern
15:58:54 <pfps> csma: action to gather definitions and propose a synthesis
15:59:00 <pfps> Allen:  where are the other definitions?
15:59:02 <DavidHirtle> q+
15:59:16 <ChrisW> action: aginsber to gather definitions of covers and propose a synthesis
15:59:16 <rifbot> Created ACTION-108 - Gather definitions of covers and propose a synthesis [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2006-09-19].
15:59:22 <csma> q?
15:59:31 <pfps> csma:  minutes of F2F3, email from pfps, one from Sandro - ask WG as well for others
15:59:46 <csma> ack davidH
15:59:59 <pfps> DavidHirtle: definition from Allen as well?
16:00:03 <ChrisW> rrsagent, list actions
16:00:03 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-actions.rdf :
16:00:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ppatelsc2 to update registration wiki page to mention price differential for iswc [6]
16:00:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-13-41
16:00:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dreynold2 to clarify with pauly what to do to improve 2.2 [7]
16:00:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-41-12
16:00:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jhall2 to work with Frank to merge use cases 4 and 5 [8]
16:00:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-45-05
16:00:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: fmccabe to modify use case 5 [9]
16:00:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-45-46
16:00:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dreynold2 to post email on rewording of xml datatype requirement [10]
16:00:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-57-07
16:00:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: aginsber to gather definitions of covers and propose a synthesis [11]
16:00:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-irc#T15-59-16
16:00:38 <DavidHirtle> q-
16:00:51 <Zakim> -Allen_Ginsberg
16:01:07 <ChrisW> zakim, next agendum
16:01:07 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Liaison" taken up
16:01:14 <MoZ> MoZ has joined #rif
16:01:18 <ChrisW> zakim, move to agendum 4
16:01:18 <Zakim> agendum 4. "RIF-RAF" taken up
16:01:29 <Allen> Have to go, see you next week.
16:01:46 <ChrisW> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
16:02:13 <pfps> csma: action on hassan
16:03:05 <pfps> hassan: RIFRAF currently concerns several kinds of rules
16:04:22 <pfps> hassan: concerns about vocabulary in RIFRAF (head, body, variables, etc.)
16:04:38 <pfps> hassan: need to worry about things like directionality
16:04:53 <pfps> hassan: a proposal was made last week, but has not been written up
16:05:05 <pfps> hassan: thus action is continued
16:05:26 <pfps> hassan:  I need information about PRR (from csma)
16:05:31 <pfps> csma:  will send
16:05:46 <pfps> csma: action 89 continued - no Alex
16:05:59 <pfps> csma: action 94 continued
16:07:02 <Hassan> q+
16:07:09 <csma> ack hassa
16:07:17 <pfps> csma: proposal on what to do with questionaire (by email)
16:08:10 <pfps> hassan: how about having session in F2F4 on questionnaire (and its results)?
16:08:20 <PaulaP> I will try to find time to answer it for XChange
16:09:01 <pfps> csma: questionnaire should now be fairly complete - but missing actions and types
16:09:20 <pfps> hassan: agreed - still need features of actions
16:09:28 <csma> q?
16:09:29 <pfps> csma: there are proposals for types what to do?
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16:10:26 <pfps> frank: yes - there is already a merged list of questions - but maybe need to be better organized
16:10:40 <pfps> csma: can we get the questions?
16:11:20 <csma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Aug/0032.html
16:11:32 <pfps> hassan: propose adding these questions
16:11:52 <pfps> csma: needs to be added by Alex
16:12:17 <pfps> frank:  I can clean up list of questions
16:12:23 <csma> s/axel/alex/
16:13:05 <pfps> frank: questionnaire is currently modified by cut-and-paste of text
16:13:21 <pfps> ChrisWelty: better to put this all up on a Wiki page
16:13:24 <ChrisW> ACTION: fmccabe to move types hierarchy to wiki page
16:13:24 <rifbot> Created ACTION-109 - Move types hierarchy to wiki page [on Francis McCabe - due 2006-09-19].
16:13:46 <Hassan> q-
16:13:47 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
16:13:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Liaison" taken up
16:13:58 <ChrisW> zakim, take up agendum 5
16:13:58 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Technical Design" taken up
16:14:00 <pfps> zakim, move to agendum 5
16:14:00 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Technical Design" taken up
16:14:18 <ChrisW> zakim, learn how to count
16:14:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'learn how to count', ChrisW
16:14:25 <ChrisW> that's obvious!
16:14:25 <pfps> csma: merged semantics for WD1
16:15:05 <pfps> Harold: there is a merged version and a further change from Michael Kifer
16:15:21 <csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/A.1_Basis%3A_Positive_Conditions
16:15:54 <csma> q?
16:16:28 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:16:28 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
16:16:35 <MichaelKifer> q+
16:17:43 <ChrisW> pfps: philosophical difference between proposal of mine and "merger"
16:18:23 <ChrisW> ...prefer a single semantics
16:18:51 <ChrisW> ...differences handled by controlled partial adherence to spec
16:18:52 <Harold> q+
16:19:12 <csma> q?
16:21:00 <csma> ack michael
16:21:34 <csma> ack harold
16:21:45 <pfps> MichaelKifer: currently there is a single semantics
16:21:51 <ChrisW> action: ppatelsc2 to read "merged" semantics proposal
16:21:51 <rifbot> Created ACTION-110 - Read \"merged\" semantics proposal [on Peter F. Patel-Schneider - due 2006-09-19].
16:21:58 <MichaelKifer> q-
16:22:01 <pfps> pfps: this looks potentially viable - will check
16:22:48 <pfps> Harold:  there are some wrinkles needed for constants
16:24:08 <pfps> csma:  how about adding heads?
16:24:14 <ChrisW> action: mkifer to draft extension to existing proposal to include heads
16:24:14 <rifbot> Created ACTION-111 - Draft extension to existing proposal to include heads [on Michael Kifer - due 2006-09-19].
16:24:18 <pfps> MichaelKifer: will be easy
16:25:47 <pfps> csma: XML syntax?
16:25:55 <ChrisW> action hboley to work on the synax, human readable and xml
16:26:05 <ChrisW> action: hboley to work on the synax, human readable and xml
16:26:05 <rifbot> Created ACTION-112 - Work on the synax, human readable and xml [on Harold Boley - due 2006-09-19].
16:26:21 <pfps> csma: what about data sources?
16:26:53 <Hassan> q+
16:27:23 <pfps> cmsa: how are variables bound? 
16:27:24 <csma> q?
16:27:31 <ChrisW> ack hassan
16:27:31 <csma> ack hassan
16:27:42 <Harold> Usually, in Horn rules, the scope of variables is one clause at a time only.
16:28:11 <pfps> hassan: propose refinement of variable and scope 
16:28:24 <pfps> csma: wait for Hassan's answer, therefore
16:28:27 <Harold> The notion of scope we had been discussing applied to the scope of clauses within rulebases.
16:28:28 <Hassan> q-
16:28:31 <csma> q?
16:28:42 <ChrisW> zakim, take up agendum 6
16:28:42 <Zakim> agendum 6. "AOB" taken up
16:29:04 <ChrisW> +1
16:29:08 <PaulaP> +1
16:29:09 <pfps> csma: close
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16:29:18 <Zakim> -Harold
16:29:19 <PaulaP> bye
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16:29:24 <ChrisW> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:29:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/12-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
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16:31:22 <ChrisW> zakim, leave
16:31:22 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were LeoraMorgenstern, csma, FrankMcCabe, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, [IPcaller], Harold, Francois, ChrisW, Dave_Reynolds, MarkusK, PaulaP, pfps,
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16:31:27 <ChrisW> rrsagent, draft minutes
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