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<scribe> scribe: Felix
<scribe> scribeNick: felix-boulder
<scribe> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0282.html
<rahtz> I phoned it, no-one there?
Sebastian, could you drop of , phone again and use the code 4873348 ?
http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/process.html#transition-reqs
A substantive change:
A substantive change (whether deletion, inclusion, or other modification) is one where someone could reasonably expect that making the change would invalidate an individual's review or implementation experience. Other changes (e.g., clarifications, bug fixes, editorial repairs, and minor error corrections) are minor changes.
(Richard describes various interpretations of a substantive change)
Discussion on "implementation experience"
Felix gives examples of specs with changes and different effects
discussion on how to approach people , Richard proposes to say : "We think these are not substantive changes, because of : xxx - what do you think?"
Yves: there are six issues which we think are not substantive issue
general agreement that this is not substantive
Yves: addition of termInfoPointer
Distinction between "theoretical ideas" of ITS versus actual implementation
Richard mentions the possibilty of taking a substantive change back to avoid going back to WD
that might be necessary for this change
Yves: the change of conformance
for ruby and HTML. We took it out of the conformance
... argumentation here is: what happens to ITS ruby or "dir"
markup is not only what is described the the Ruby TR and the
HTML (CSS) spec.
... so it makes no sense to cite these specifications
normatively
Sebastian: what is the difference for an implementor?
Yves: he does not have to implement the ruby TR or dir specs
Sebastian: so this does not break an implementation
Richard: we "substracted" s.t. , that is the key
Sebastian: removing a processing expectation seems pretty minor
Richard: seems to be o.k.
... but did we address the original comment?
... the original comment had to do with conformance to
markup
... not processing expectations
Yves: how is that different from
translatability? We don't say anything about an association of
ITS with s.t. which has three values (not two)
... you say "for association of markup, you need the same
content model"
... is that not clear?
(no conclusion on this, we go on to the next topic)
Yves describes the change from rubyText : attribute to element
Richard: I see the change of rubyText as substantive, also the termInfoPointer addition. But not dramatical changes
Yves: the changing of term, has now the values "yes" and "no"
Richard: might be substanvive, but you might get through with it
Sebastian: does this break s.t.?
Yves: it adds a feature to the implementation, the implementations will still work
Sebastian: it would break for validation, since the term attribute was not allowed at the termRule element before
the change is at http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset-diffTo20060518.html#selection-defaults-etc
Sebastian: this is clearing up a
misunderstanding
... we could not leave it ambigious
Yves: there are three possibly
substantive ones, but there are minor ones
... we can illustrate that the implementation changes are very
small
<scribe> ACTION: Yves and Felix to have a call with Philippe on changes in the LC draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/08-i18nits-minutes.html#action01]
Richard: you can say that I support your position
Richard: I did my action item on CSS 2
Richard explains the issue
Richard: it will not effect us if
we rely on CSS 2
... I will send a mail on this later
See changelog at http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/changelog.txt
draft is at http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html
and http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset-diffTo20060518.html
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