IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-09-07
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- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JulSep/0183.html
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- Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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- Regrets: Becky_Gibson, Alex_Li, Sorcha_Moore, Gez_Lemon
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- agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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- agenda+ Team B Survey
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- agenda+ Team C Survey
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- agenda+ Baseline
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- agenda+ Web sets and Web units
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- zakim, ping me in 30 minutes
- 19:15:31 [Zakim]
- ok, ben
- 19:15:54 [ben]
- zakim, list conferences
- 19:15:54 [Zakim]
- I see WAI_EOWG(UMTF)2:00PM, XML_QueryWG(ttf)3:00PM active
- 19:15:56 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are WAI_UAWG()2:00PM, WAI_WCAG()3:00PM
- 19:16:00 [ben]
- zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
- 19:16:00 [Zakim]
- ok, ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 16 minutes ago
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- rrsagent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2006/09/07-wai-wcag-irc#T19-16-44
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- ben, you asked to be pinged at this time
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- WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +Cooper
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- zakim, [IPc is Bengt_Farre
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- +Bengt_Farre; got it
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- + +1.301.779.aaaa
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is Makoto_Ueki
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- +Makoto_Ueki; got it
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- +Sofia_Celic
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- zakim, mute me
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- Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
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- +??P15
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- 20:02:32 [bengt]
- zakim, who is making noise ?
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- bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.301.779.aaaa (45%), David_MacDonald (30%), ??P15 (50%)
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +[IPcaller.a]
- 20:03:13 [rellero_]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
- 20:03:18 [LucaMascaro]
- Zakim, IPcaller] is lucamascaro
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- sorry, LucaMascaro, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller]'
- 20:03:23 [rellero_]
- Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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- -Roberto_Ellero
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- scribe: David
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- -[IPcaller.a]
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- Team B: LC-540, LC-759, LC-932, LC-1298, LC-1381
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- Team C: LC-673, LC-1407, LC-1166
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- resolution: unanimous acceptance of Team b and team c items that everyone agreed with Team B: LC-540, LC-759, LC-932, LC-1298, LC-1381 Team C: LC-673, LC-1407, LC-1166
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- topic: LC-497, LC-510, LC-573, LC-713, LC-1110, LC-1142, LC-1290: Success Criterion 2.4.4
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- +Judy
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is Roberto_Ellero
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- +Roberto_Ellero; got it
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- Zakim, mute Roberto_Ellero
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- Roberto_Ellero should now be muted
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, David_MacDonald, Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Bruce_Bailey, +1.301.779.aaaa, Makoto_Ueki (muted), Sofia_Celic (muted), ??P15, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
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- ... Christophe_Strobbe, Judy, Roberto_Ellero (muted)
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- zakim, ??P15 is Gregg_and_Ben
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- +Gregg_and_Ben; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
- 20:10:44 [LucaMascaro]
- Zakim, [IPcaller] is LucaMascaro
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- +LucaMascaro; got it
- 20:10:47 [David]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 20:10:49 [Michael]
- zakim, drop IPCaller
- 20:10:49 [Zakim]
- sorry, Michael, I do not see a party named 'IPCaller'
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- zakim, mute Luca
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- LucaMascaro should now be muted
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- Zakim, mute me
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- LucaMascaro was already muted, LucaMascaro
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- David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tim_Boland (21%), Andi_Snow_Weaver (9%), LucaMascaro (64%), Gregg_and_Ben (20%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (15%), Judy
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- ... (65%)
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -LucaMascaro
- 20:14:02 [Michael]
- q+ to say concern with any list of items
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- ack +1.301
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- +[IPcaller]
- 20:14:56 [Christophe]
- q+ to say 'adjacent text?'
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- -[IPcaller]
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- ack m
- 20:15:14 [Zakim]
- Michael, you wanted to say concern with any list of items
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- q+
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- zakim, mute Makoto
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- Makoto_Ueki should now be muted
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- +[IPcaller]
- 20:16:00 [LucaMascaro]
- zakim, IPcaller is LucaMascaro
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- +LucaMascaro; got it
- 20:16:01 [Michael]
- zakim, I am Cooper
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- ok, Michael, I now associate you with Cooper
- 20:16:03 [LucaMascaro]
- zakim, mute me
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- LucaMascaro should now be muted
- 20:17:34 [Gregg]
- ack ch
- 20:17:34 [Zakim]
- Christophe, you wanted to say 'adjacent text?'
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- Q+
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- ack d
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- q+
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- ack Gr
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- ack a
- 20:22:36 [Makoto]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Makoto_Ueki should no longer be muted
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 20:23:43 [David]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 20:23:53 [Zakim]
- David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tim_Boland (4%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (4%), Judy (4%)
- 20:24:58 [Gregg]
- 2.4.4 The purpose of each link can be determined from the link text (including supplemental and alternative text) and the text of any immediately enclosing structure (e.g. sentence, paragraph, row, cell or list item.)
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- The purpose of each link can be determined from the link text (including supplemental and alternative text).
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- q+
- 20:30:19 [Michael]
- q+
- 20:30:59 [Gregg]
- 2.4.4 The purpose of each link can be determined from the link text (including supplemental and alternative text) and the text of any immediately enclosing sentence, paragraph, row, cell or list item.
- 20:31:37 [Gregg]
- 2.4.4 The purpose of each link can be determined from the link text (including supplemental and alternative text) and the text of any immediately enclosing sentence, paragraph, header, cell or list item.
- 20:32:08 [Loretta]
- 2.4.4 The purpose of each link can be determined from the link text (including supplemental and alternative text) and the text of any immediately enclosing sentence, paragraph, cell with its associated headers, or list item.
- 20:32:32 [Gregg]
- 2.4.4 The purpose of each link can be determined from the link text (including supplemental and alternative text) and the text of any header or immediately enclosing sentence, paragraph, cell or list item.
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- q+
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- ack l
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- ack c
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- ack g
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- q+
- 20:34:02 [Gregg]
- ack l
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- ack Br
- 20:36:02 [Gregg]
- 2.4.4 The purpose of each link can be determined from the link text (including supplemental and alternative text) and the text of any immediately enclosing sentence, paragraph, cell with its associated headers, or list item.
- 20:54:25 [David]
- Resolution: send LC-497, LC-510, LC-573, LC-713, LC-1110, LC-1142, LC-1290: Success Criterion 2.4.4 back to Lorreta to consider 2.4.4 The purpose of each link can be determined from the link text (including supplemental and alternative text) and the text of any [immediate context] (immediate context = enclosing sentence, paragraph, cell with its associated headers, or list item.)
- 20:55:30 [David]
- topic: LC-844: Primary language
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 21:06:10 [David]
- resolution: LC 844 unaimous consent to accept as ammended, closed
- 21:09:02 [Gregg]
- it is our understanding that SVG 1.1 (2003) has xml:lang on many elements including svg, title, text, tspan and textpath. SVG 1.0 (2001) has xml:lang on many elements including svg, g, title, text, tspan, textpath and a.
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- topic: 931
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- resolution: closed 931 as amended
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- topic: 969
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- +??P3
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- -Tim_Boland
- 21:15:19 [ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 21:15:19 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Makoto_Ueki, Sofia_Celic (muted), Gregg_and_Ben, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe, Judy, Roberto_Ellero (muted),
- 21:15:22 [Zakim]
- ... Andi_Snow_Weaver, LucaMascaro (muted), Bruce_Bailey, ??P3
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- -LucaMascaro
- 21:25:26 [David]
- resolution: return 969 to sender
- 21:26:11 [David]
- resolution: 1259 - resolution: accept as ammended
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- Topic: 1296
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- agenda?
- 21:27:42 [David]
- Resolution: 1296 accepted as amended
- 21:27:54 [ben]
- zakim, close agendum 1
- 21:27:54 [Zakim]
- agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed
- 21:27:55 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Team B Survey [from ben]
- 21:27:58 [ben]
- zakim, close agendum 2
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- agendum 2, Team B Survey, closed
- 21:27:59 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Team C Survey [from ben]
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Team C Survey" taken up [from ben]
- 21:28:33 [David]
- resolution: accept 674 as amended
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- topic: 688
- 21:29:07 [David]
- resolution: accept 688 as amended
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- topic: 758
- 21:43:21 [David]
- resolution: close 758 as revised,
- 21:44:15 [David]
- action: bruce and Michael to put notes in working group wiki for the advisory techniqe .. “Positioning labels to maximize predictability of relationships”
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- s/techniqe/technique
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- s/bruce/Bruce
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- -Roberto_Ellero
- 21:45:23 [David]
- topic: Baseline
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- q+
- 21:52:43 [Gregg]
- ack b
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- ack l
- 21:52:54 [ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
- 21:52:55 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. Baseline [from ben]
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- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4. "Baseline" taken up [from ben]
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- Present: David_MacDonald, Michael_Cooper, Bengt_Farre, Makoto_Ueki, Sofia_Celic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Christophe_Strobbe, Judy, Roberto_Ellero, Andi_Snow_Weaver, LucaMascaro, Bruce_Bailey, Tim_Boland, Bruce_Bailey, Cynthia_Shelly
- 21:53:06 [ben]
- q?
- 21:58:24 [judy]
- q+
- 21:59:02 [judy]
- q+ just to give 2 cents on categorical generalizations about how up-to-date regulatory bodies, authors, etc, might be on this
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- ack judy
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- ack just
- 22:01:22 [Zakim]
- just, you wanted to give 2 cents on categorical generalizations about how up-to-date regulatory bodies, authors, etc, might be on this
- 22:01:35 [Christophe]
- zakim, mute me
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- Christophe_Strobbe should now be muted
- 22:05:49 [ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 4 closed
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- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 5. Web sets and Web units [from ben]
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- -??P3
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- -Gregg_and_Ben
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- -Makoto_Ueki
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Judy
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- -Bengt_Farre
- 22:09:28 [ben]
- zakim, bye
- 22:09:28 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Andi_Snow_Weaver, David_MacDonald, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Bengt_Farre, +1.301.779.aaaa, Makoto_Ueki, Sofia_Celic, Loretta_Guarino_Reid,
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- ... Roberto_Ellero, Christophe_Strobbe, Judy, Gregg_and_Ben, Tim_Boland, LucaMascaro
- 22:09:36 [ben]
- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/07-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: bruce and Michael to put notes in working group wiki for the advisory techniqe .. “Positioning labels to maximize predictability of relationships” [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/07-wai-wcag-irc#T21-44-15
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