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14:32:29 <felix-boulder> meeting: i18n its WG (Boulder f2f)
14:32:30 <felix-boulder> chair: Yves
14:32:33 <felix-boulder> scribe: Felix
14:32:39 <felix-boulder> scribeNick: felix-boulder
14:33:58 <felix-boulder> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0127.html
14:35:26 <felix-boulder> Sebastian? are you ready? We could already start
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15:00:19 <Zakim> +Felix
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15:01:26 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves
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15:02:04 <Zakim> +Yves
15:02:21 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
15:03:57 <felix-boulder> topic: issues 
15:04:04 <felix-boulder> done yesterday are http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-i18nits-minutes.html
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15:05:37 <felix-boulder> topic: have a non-ODD source in XMLSPEC?
15:05:51 <felix-boulder> Yves: Christian had a lots of trouble editing the ODD file
15:06:12 <felix-boulder> .. we thought of what to do in the future, if Sebastian and Felix may not be here
15:06:20 <felix-boulder> .. should we move to xmlspec for that case
15:06:33 <felix-boulder> Sebastian: it would leave the problem of how to generate the example schemas
15:06:49 <felix-boulder> .. it would be very simple, the intermediate xmlspec would be the master
15:07:11 <felix-boulder> .. and the generated schemas would have to be adopted manually
15:07:31 <felix-boulder> .. the generated schemas have embedded comments which are derived automatically currently
15:07:39 <felix-boulder> .. these would have to be adopted manually
15:07:58 <felix-boulder> .. more difficult: if an content model changes, it has to be changed in three different places
15:08:15 <felix-boulder> .. an alternative would be to say: we throw away e.g. the DTD
15:08:27 <felix-boulder> Yves: today we don't have todo anything
15:11:03 <felix-boulder> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496 implementation
15:11:19 <felix-boulder> Yves: Christian went through these changes, but he could net enter most of them
15:11:29 <felix-boulder> .. since he was not able to do anything with the ODD
15:15:16 <felix-boulder> Felix: an ANT script might be helpful
15:15:49 <felix-boulder> Sebastian: you should set up Yves to do the generation
15:16:05 <felix-boulder> action: Felix to create an ANT task for spec generation
15:16:25 <felix-boulder> Yves: we might not have enough time to implement all proposals
15:17:24 <felix-boulder> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3640
15:17:48 <felix-boulder> Yves: we looked at the table in sec. 6.1
15:17:51 <felix-boulder> .. that lists the defaults
15:18:20 <felix-boulder> http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-i18nits-minutes.html#item51
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15:19:30 <felix-boulder> (Yves explains the proposal in the /2006/09/06 minutes)
15:19:48 <r12a> zakim, dial richard-home
15:19:48 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:19:50 <Zakim> +Richard
15:21:32 <felix-boulder> (Yves describes the case for localization notes)
15:22:48 <felix-boulder> Sebastian: no problem with breaking up the table
15:23:19 <felix-boulder> .. but I want to come back to the edited text
15:23:47 <felix-boulder> Richard: I see no problem, but also need the edited version
15:23:58 <felix-boulder> Yves: we will do that today and other lot of editing
15:24:26 <felix-boulder> topic: inheritance for localization note
15:24:42 <felix-boulder> Yves: I notice you could have different types of information in the localization notes:
15:24:54 <felix-boulder> .. a reference, or other info
15:25:19 <felix-boulder> .. Felix said: you should override the whole data category, no matter what information existed before
15:25:29 <felix-boulder> .. so you would take out all existing information
15:25:41 <felix-boulder> .. e.g. if you have a global locNote with an "alert"
15:25:51 <felix-boulder> .. and you ovveride it with a local locNoteRef
15:26:06 <felix-boulder> .. the alert would be overriden, since the local default is "description"
15:26:30 <felix-boulder> .. that would be the same for e.g. terminology
15:26:42 <felix-boulder> .. does that make sense for you?
15:26:50 <felix-boulder> Sebastian: that should be clarified
15:27:35 <felix-boulder> .. it is not a huge burden
15:27:52 <felix-boulder> .. are the talking about more than two bits of information
15:27:57 <felix-boulder> Yves: no
15:28:08 <felix-boulder> Sebastian: where would you say that?
15:28:18 <felix-boulder> Yves: at a place where we talk about inheritance
15:28:30 <felix-boulder> .. we would need an example to clarify that as well
15:28:55 <felix-boulder> Sebastian: an example showing the repetition of the apparently redundant information would be good
15:29:34 <felix-boulder> .. so to say: a data category is atomic, you express the whole thing or not
15:30:16 <felix-boulder> Felix: how about an example with the table?
15:30:30 <felix-boulder> Yves: to demonstrate inheritance, overriding and defaults
15:30:32 <felix-boulder> .. in sec. 6.1
15:31:31 <felix-boulder> action: Yves and Felix to create an example for sec. 6.1
15:33:05 <felix-boulder> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0128.html
15:33:47 <felix-boulder> topic: action items at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0128.html
15:34:24 <felix-boulder> s/action items/issues to be discussed/
15:34:31 <felix-boulder> Yves: on http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3496
15:34:58 <felix-boulder> .. Christian did some changes, overs he did not
15:35:17 <felix-boulder> .. we will try to do all changes, but we are not sure if we have the time to do everything
15:36:21 <felix-boulder> Yves: on http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3509
15:36:40 <felix-boulder> .. this is about restructuring the document
15:37:16 <felix-boulder> .. again we try to do as much as possible
15:39:33 <felix-boulder> Richard: I hope that you are able to do 3509
15:39:49 <felix-boulder> Felix: would it be possible for you to do this in xmlspec?
15:39:53 <felix-boulder> Richard: quite possible
15:41:22 <felix-boulder> (discussion on what to use)
15:41:31 <felix-boulder> Yves: let's see what we can do today and tomorrow
15:41:50 <felix-boulder> topic: meetings in November
15:41:59 <felix-boulder> Yves: I will be off the whole of November
15:42:54 <felix-boulder> .. we have to take that into account if we make an extension
15:45:54 <felix-boulder> topic: possible cases for substantive changes
15:48:14 <felix-boulder> summary is, we need to make sure that everybody in the WG is happy with the changes, and does not regard anything as substantive
15:48:26 <felix-boulder> we need to have that on the agenda in the next weeks
15:49:57 <felix-boulder> topic: life after LC
15:50:11 <felix-boulder> we have the CR call, after that testing
15:51:18 <felix-boulder> Yves: we have to think this out, discuss that tomorrow
15:51:43 <felix-boulder> topic: call tomorrow
15:51:56 <felix-boulder> Yves: same time as yesterday
15:51:59 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
15:52:18 <Zakim> -Yves
15:52:24 <Zakim> -Richard
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15:52:26 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves, Sebastian_Rahtz, Richard
15:52:47 <felix-boulder> present+ Felix
15:52:56 <felix-boulder> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:52:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/07-i18nits-minutes.html felix-boulder
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18:19:44 <felix-boulder> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.xml
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