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15:01:15 <DanC> Zakim, this is grddl
15:01:15 <Zakim> ok, DanC; that matches SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
15:01:32 <DanC> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:01:37 <Zakim> working on it, DanC
15:01:39 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-09-0611:00ET
15:01:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
15:01:47 <Zakim> agenda+ Discussion of Primer Document
15:01:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
15:01:55 <Zakim> agenda+ review of Use Cases document, reviewing actions from last meeting
15:01:57 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
15:01:59 <Zakim> agenda+ [#issue-base-param], conformance labels, and other GRDDL spec issues
15:02:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:02:07 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
15:02:11 <Zakim> +Rachel_Yager
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15:02:25 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:46 <Zakim> +DanC
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15:03:27 <hhalpin> Apologies - phone issues...
15:04:41 <Zakim> +Murray_Maloney
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15:04:59 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:04:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see FabienGandon, Rachel_Yager, [IPcaller], DanC, Murray_Maloney
15:05:14 <Zakim> +??P24
15:05:17 <DanC> Zakim, [IPcaller] is BenA
15:05:18 <Zakim> +BenA; got it
15:05:29 <DanC> Zakim, ??P24 is hhalpin 
15:05:29 <Zakim> +hhalpin; got it
15:05:38 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
15:05:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-09-0611:00ET" taken up
15:06:24 <benadida> zakim, mute me
15:06:24 <Zakim> sorry, benadida, I do not see a party named 'benadida'
15:06:37 <benadida> zakim, I am BenA
15:06:37 <Zakim> ok, benadida, I now associate you with BenA
15:06:42 <benadida> zakim, mute me
15:06:42 <Zakim> BenA should now be muted
15:06:55 <DanC> minutes good enough for me http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes
15:06:59 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:07:31 <DanC> Scribe: ryager 
15:07:43 <chimezie> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:07:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see FabienGandon, Rachel_Yager, BenA (muted), DanC, Murray_Maloney, hhalpin, Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:07:51 <ryager> Resolution - working group minutes
15:07:57 <hhalpin> RESOLVED:  http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-grddl-wg-minutes is correct record
15:08:31 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BenA (muted)
15:08:39 <benadida> zakim, unmute me
15:08:39 <Zakim> BenA should no longer be muted
15:08:59 <ryager> Ben will scribe in 2 weeks
15:09:02 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose hhalpin
15:09:04 <DanC> DanC is out next week (13 Sep) too.
15:09:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:09:11 <benadida> zakim, mute me
15:09:11 <Zakim> BenA should now be muted
15:09:16 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Rachel_Yager
15:09:18 <danja> ok, that's me
15:09:26 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose FabienGandon
15:09:36 <DanC> Zakim, [IPcaller] is danja
15:09:36 <Zakim> +danja; got it
15:09:45 <ryager> Chimezie will scribe next week
15:10:04 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:10:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Discussion of Primer Document" taken up
15:10:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:10:38 <hhalpin> Ian - are you with us? 
15:10:55 <briansuda> sort of
15:10:59 <DanC> Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
15:10:59 <Zakim> +briansuda; got it
15:11:14 <danja> earlier - "iand may be a few mins late"
15:11:34 <FabienGandon> Ian's GRDDL Primer: http://research.talis.com/2006/grddl-wg/primer.html
15:12:29 <Zakim> +iand
15:12:48 <FabienGandon> Brian's GRDDL Primer: http://suda.co.uk/sandbox/GRDDL/Primer.htm
15:14:46 <ryager> Ian explain the first case for Primer
15:16:03 <ryager> Ian asks "how much work involved?"
15:16:43 <ryager> Introduction and diagram as first draft for Primer by end of Sep.
15:17:31 <ryager> mention of xhtml?
15:18:23 <ryager> need to demonstrate for xslt to work.
15:18:52 <ryager> last example has namespace.
15:19:02 <ryager> who is tester?
15:19:15 <ryager> Danny is the tester
15:19:30 <DanC> ACTION DannyA: test examples from primer http://research.talis.com/2006/grddl-wg/primer.html
15:21:33 <chimezie> Triclops
15:21:33 <ryager> triclops
15:22:28 <ryager> are we providing a testing tool? Yes.
15:22:44 <DanC> . ACTION Chime: @@@
15:22:57 <DanC> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0100.html  Re: GRDDL test howto?
15:23:56 <ryager> Ad-hoc testing needed till next week
15:24:17 <ryager> creating the microformat is out of scope
15:24:30 <chimezie> ACTION: Chimezie: Will get a short description of how Triclops can be used for generating diagrams of RDF
15:24:36 <danja> (microformat validation is a rathole)
15:24:46 <DanC> . ACTION Chime: make some graphviz/svg/png diagrams of primer RDF <- Chime, do you accept that action?
15:24:54 <chimezie> yes
15:24:57 <DanC> oops. you're ahead of me. good.
15:25:07 <ryager> Brian - presenting the primer
15:25:30 <chimezie> Dom's email on existing test harness: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0100.html
15:26:34 <ryager> Brian writing the SPARQL query
15:27:24 <ryager> html pages should be well-formatted
15:27:55 <ryager> preference to use xhtml?
15:28:05 <danja> (a significant proportion of microformat instance docs aren't XHTML)
15:28:14 <FabienGandon> +1 to use XHTML everywhere.
15:28:26 <ryager> transforming the calendar to rdf as the first step?
15:28:27 <briansuda> danja, they get run through TIDY to make them valid
15:28:36 <DanC> "about 639,000,000 for XHTML" vs "about 905,000,000 for HTML". hmm... same order of magnitude. interesting. I would have expected HTML to be mentioned 10x as often as XHTML.
15:29:12 <ryager> first draft to use SPARQL to demonstrate the value of using rdf?
15:30:20 <ryager> need only 1 primer - 1 use case or 2? 
15:32:07 <ryager> take both from Ian and Brian?
15:32:34 <ryager> guitar case has no real data
15:32:47 <ryager> Ian case has real data
15:33:20 <ryager> extend Ian's work to cover sparql?
15:35:35 <ryager> Brian and Ian will put together the cases
15:35:50 <hhalpin> ACTION: Brian and Ian will merge test cases.
15:37:36 <danja> (briansuda, if you need to use Tidy, is it still grddl?)
15:38:10 <DanC> (no, most of the microformat services go beyond grddl.)
15:38:18 <hhalpin> ryager suggests links to use-case.
15:38:34 <hhalpin> murray suggests a motivaing introduction
15:39:10 <danja> (brb)
15:39:26 <ryager> a paragraph for motivation 
15:39:52 <ryager> Chimezie volunteered for the paragraph
15:40:01 <ryager> Primer aimed end of Sep
15:40:14 <ryager> Publication need to be out as required by W3C
15:40:38 <ryager> Primer and Use case can both meet the target date - Sep
15:40:58 <ryager> will keep SPARQL section small?
15:41:28 <ryager> focus on the grddl stuff?
15:41:35 <chimezie> ACTION: Chimezie will work on a short, motivating introduction for Primer (with segue to use cases)
15:43:04 <ryager> review use case document now
15:43:08 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:43:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "review of Use Cases document, reviewing actions from last meeting" taken up
15:43:12 <hhalpin> Zakim, next item
15:43:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, hhalpin
15:43:16 <danja> (back)
15:43:28 <FabienGandon> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm
15:43:35 <DanC> I see http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm v 1.26
15:44:34 <ryager> Fabien - explains use case of library
15:45:36 <DanC> looks ready to ship, to me.
15:45:53 <ryager> ready for review?
15:46:01 <benadida> zumm
15:46:08 <benadida> zakim, unmute me
15:46:08 <Zakim> BenA should no longer be muted
15:47:07 <ryager> xml schema use case - Ben to write up?
15:48:25 <DanC> (yeah, I had in mind the latter, Chime)
15:48:41 <ryager> xml schema as a source to transform?
15:49:13 <ryager> Ben will send email version of the xml schema use case today - 7th use case.
15:49:23 <DanC> ACTION:Harry to discuss with BenA and DanC the XML Schema use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI. See clarification from DanC. [DONE]
15:49:42 <DanC> ACTION: BenA to draft XML Schema use-case in context of Creative Commons and OAI.
15:50:53 <ryager> BenA - schedule use case review by tomorrow. 
15:51:00 <DanC> ACTION: BenA to flesh out HTML RDF/A output of GRDDL use cases (i.e. review scheduling use case in detail) [CONTINUES]
15:51:11 <DanC> ACTION: Fabien to review/reconsider digital library use case [DONE]
15:51:24 <DanC> ACTION: Fabien to note that "Plus: ... " part of scheduling use case #1 needs work, and ask Ben for help whenever he becomes availble and drop it from the draft meanwhile [DONE]
15:51:37 <ryager> BenA will proof-read document
15:51:46 <ryager> Danny too
15:52:02 <hhalpin> ACTION: BenA will proof-read document
15:52:42 <hhalpin> ACTION: Danny will proof-read document
15:52:44 <danja> (note to self: review with go/don't in mind)
15:52:47 <benadida> zakim, mute me
15:52:47 <Zakim> BenA should now be muted
15:52:53 <DanC> ACTION: Harry to review digital library use case [DONE]
15:53:02 <ryager> review should submit to the email distribtuion list
15:53:07 <DanC> ACTION: Ryager to read draft thoroughly [CONTINUES]
15:53:24 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:53:24 <Zakim> agendum 4. "[#issue-base-param], conformance labels, and other GRDDL spec issues" taken up
15:54:52 <ryager> Ian to help after Primer work?
15:55:37 <danja> (if test harness work is deferred for a couple of weeks, I can help then too)
15:56:15 <ryager> not introducing another param?
15:56:32 <DanC> ACTION: DanC to enumerate options for base issue, pick one, and propose it in the form of a test case. See his suggestion to pass it as a paramter and discussion with Chime over extension functions [CONTINUES]
15:56:51 <ryager> Everyone agree
15:57:20 <ryager> Chime introducing conformance label issue
15:57:34 <ryager> does not address consistent language
15:58:07 <DanC> Chime on Conformance labels and consistent communication http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Sep/0053.html
15:59:14 <ryager> to commit conformance label?
16:00:11 <ryager> user agent, processor, grddl document mechanism?
16:01:51 <ryager> grddl result graph?
16:02:32 <ryager> should have a consistent vocabulary - chime
16:02:58 <ryager> rules for replacing?
16:03:35 <ryager> Chime will go through the use case document to provide the conformance
16:04:04 <ryager> need a glossary?
16:04:59 <ryager> Fabien, Chime, Harry - glossary
16:05:17 <hhalpin> ACTION: Harry to re-read Use Case document
16:05:21 <ryager> grddl doc and grddl processor only
16:05:45 <FabienGandon> ACTION: Fabien to review the terminology of the Use Case
16:06:19 <danja> (/me generally agrees to standard terminology, glossary)
16:06:24 <ryager> grddl doc = resource doc?
16:06:26 <chimezie> ACTION: Chimezie to work towards a glossary for consistent terminology and suggest some rewording
16:06:28 <FabienGandon> Do we want a glossary in the Use Case doc ?
16:06:59 <hhalpin> ACTION: Murray to send out his take on take on standardized vocabulary
16:08:19 <DanC> hasta, briansuda 
16:08:37 <briansuda> DanC, i'll catch you in IRC soon
16:08:41 <ryager> glossary will be included in the use case document.
16:08:49 <ryager> by next week
16:08:49 <Zakim> -briansuda
16:09:06 <DanC> ACTION:Chime to suggest which conformance labels, if any, the GRDDL spec should includ [DONE]
16:09:17 <FabienGandon> ACTION: Fabien to add a Glossary section in the Use Case Doc
16:10:31 <ryager> any transformation language?
16:10:43 <ryager> xslt, xquery etc?
16:11:00 <FabienGandon> First Mediatype message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Sep/0020
16:12:19 <FabienGandon> Now, for the more controversial media-type sentence:
16:12:21 <FabienGandon> "GRDDL can use media types of the transformation resource to detect the what type of language the transformation uses. For example, if in a
16:12:22 <FabienGandon> XHTML document the link element has an href attribute of "http://www.example.org/transformation" and this URI returns a document
16:12:24 <FabienGandon> with a media type of "application/xslt+xml," GRDDL is licensed to run the transformation using XSLT."
16:13:08 <ryager> appendix to explain what software does?
16:13:44 <DanC> ACTION DanC: draft an appendix about a sample implementaiton of GRDDL
16:14:01 <ryager> tabled as issue list
16:14:28 <ryager> xslt1 as recommendation?
16:15:32 <chimezie> +1 for SHOULD
16:17:51 <ryager> Harry provides recommendation text 
16:18:07 <DanC> ACTION:Harry to draft some elaboration on how media types work with GRDDL [CONTINUES]
16:18:30 <DanC> Topic: GRDDL, XProc, and processing order
16:18:54 <danja> (/me needs to chase up docs on XSLT 1.0 processor response to XSLT 2.0 transformations, but still +1 to SHOULD for XSLT 1.0)
16:20:11 <ryager> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec
16:20:22 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec#implExp
16:24:15 <DanC> DanC: it's not obviuos to me what happens if, for example, Harry's calendar has an <xinclude> in it.
16:24:25 <DanC> ... my implementation doesn't do it.
16:24:28 <DanC> Chime: mine does
16:24:56 <DanC> Murray: so you've got a pipeline. You can specify that pipeline in the document that represents the transformation algorithm.
16:25:43 <DanC> iand, see you next time.
16:25:53 <iand> yep,  bye all
16:25:57 <danja> bye
16:26:01 <Zakim> -iand
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16:28:12 <DanC> Murray: W3C is working on a standardize XML Processing model language, but we don't need to tie GRDDL to that directly; somebody might use a shell script to specify their pipeline/transformation.
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16:29:38 <ryager1> should test the interaction
16:30:03 <ryager1> who run over the issue list? 
16:30:04 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:30:04 <DanC> ACTION DanC: add an issue about xinclude an processing order [CONTINUES]
16:30:26 <benadida> zumm
16:30:35 <benadida> whoops, sorry
16:30:46 <Zakim> -Murray_Maloney
16:30:49 <Zakim> -danja
16:31:02 <danja> thanks, bye all
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16:31:18 <DanC> ADJOURN.
16:31:18 <Zakim> -FabienGandon
16:31:23 <Zakim> -BenA
16:31:43 <DanC> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:31:43 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-irc#T16-31-43
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16:32:30 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:32:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:33:28 <ryager1> http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-irc#T16-31-43
16:33:53 <DanC> Meeting: GRDDL Weekly
16:33:58 <hhalpin> ACTION: Murray to suggest what GRDDL spec issues are covered by XML Processing, suggestion on how to fix it. 
16:34:12 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:34:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:34:54 <DanC> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Sep/0015.html
16:34:57 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:34:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:35:24 <DanC> Zakim, list attendees
16:35:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been FabienGandon, Rachel_Yager, DanC, Murray_Maloney, BenA, hhalpin, Chimezie_Ogbuji, danja, briansuda, iand
16:35:36 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:35:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:36:22 <DanC> Chair: Harry
16:36:26 <DanC> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:36:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html DanC
16:38:22 <DanC> yes, if you can lightly edit http://www.w3.org/2006/09/06-grddl-wg-minutes.html and send it to public-grdd-wg@w3.org , you're done.
16:39:12 <Zakim> -hhalpin
16:39:14 <Zakim> -DanC
16:39:15 <Zakim> -Rachel_Yager
16:39:17 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
16:39:18 <Zakim> Attendees were FabienGandon, Rachel_Yager, DanC, Murray_Maloney, BenA, hhalpin, Chimezie_Ogbuji, danja, briansuda, iand
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