IRC log of dawg on 2006-09-05
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/09/05-dawg-irc
- 14:20:41 [kendallclark]
- Zakim: this will be DAWG
- 14:20:46 [kendallclark]
- Zakim, this will be DAWG
- 14:20:46 [Zakim]
- ok, kendallclark, I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM already started
- 14:21:15 [LeeF]
- Andy, have you had a chance to look at the FILTER stuff at all?
- 14:21:50 [kendallclark]
- hmm, zakim thinks we've already started
- 14:21:50 [kendallclark]
- odd
- 14:22:07 [kendallclark]
- zakim, agenda+ Convene
- 14:22:08 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 added
- 14:22:10 [LeeF]
- Zakim, what exactly are you smoking?
- 14:22:10 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, LeeF.
- 14:22:13 [SimonR]
- That might be my fault. I dialed in and it told me I was the first participant.
- 14:22:16 [kendallclark]
- zakim, agenda+ action items
- 14:22:16 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 added
- 14:22:35 [kendallclark]
- zakim, agenda+ Publication Schedules
- 14:22:35 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 added
- 14:22:58 [Zakim]
- -??P8
- 14:23:00 [Zakim]
- SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
- 14:23:01 [Zakim]
- Attendees were
- 14:23:07 [kendallclark]
- uh...
- 14:23:12 [kendallclark]
- that's sort of stupid
- 14:23:13 [SimonR]
- Okay, that was me hanging up.
- 14:23:20 [kendallclark]
- Zakim, this will be DAWG
- 14:23:20 [Zakim]
- ok, kendallclark; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
- 14:23:29 [kendallclark]
- thank you, zakim
- 14:23:35 [kendallclark]
- zakim, agenda?
- 14:23:35 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
- 14:23:36 [Zakim]
- 1. Convene [from kendallclark]
- 14:23:38 [Zakim]
- 2. action items [from kendallclark]
- 14:23:39 [Zakim]
- 3. Publication Schedules [from kendallclark]
- 14:23:41 [kendallclark]
- good
- 14:23:55 [kendallclark]
- Chair: kendallclark
- 14:23:59 [kendallclark]
- Scribe: LeeF
- 14:24:26 [kendallclark]
- -sigh-
- 14:25:03 [SimonR]
- Hope it goes well for you!
- 14:27:39 [kendallclark]
- thx :)
- 14:27:54 [kendallclark]
- to make things perfect-er, DC is under *crazy* thunderstorms today
- 14:28:00 [kendallclark]
- it's raining buckets, non-stop, for hrs
- 14:28:55 [SimonR]
- Now you're just TEASING those of us from drougt-aflicted climes... ;)
- 14:29:10 [SimonR]
- drought-afflicted
- 14:29:18 [Zakim]
- SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started
- 14:29:25 [Zakim]
- +[IBMCambridge]
- 14:29:29 [LeeF]
- zakim, IBMCambridge is me
- 14:29:29 [Zakim]
- +LeeF; got it
- 14:29:51 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:29:57 [Zakim]
- +??P9
- 14:29:59 [AndyS]
- zakim, ??P9 is me
- 14:29:59 [Zakim]
- +AndyS; got it
- 14:30:00 [JanneS]
- JanneS has joined #dawg
- 14:30:07 [AndyS]
- Hi Janne!
- 14:30:15 [JanneS]
- Hi Andy
- 14:30:37 [Zakim]
- +??P11
- 14:30:40 [SimonR]
- Zakim, ??P11 is me
- 14:30:40 [Zakim]
- +SimonR; got it
- 14:30:50 [JanneS]
- It's been a while... I hope everybody's been ok here?
- 14:31:05 [Zakim]
- +Kendall_Clark
- 14:31:14 [kendallclark]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:31:14 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should now be muted
- 14:31:25 [kendallclark]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:31:25 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
- 14:31:34 [kendallclark]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:31:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeeF, [IPcaller], AndyS, SimonR, Kendall_Clark
- 14:31:35 [AndyS]
- LeeF, saw your FILTERs email.
- 14:31:43 [LeeF]
- Meeting: RDF DAWG Weekly
- 14:31:49 [kendallclark]
- Regrets: BijanP
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- 14:32:01 [Zakim]
- +Elias_Torres
- 14:32:14 [EliasT]
- Zakim, Elias_Torres is me
- 14:32:14 [Zakim]
- +EliasT; got it
- 14:32:25 [Zakim]
- +Fred_Zemke
- 14:32:37 [JanneS]
- that ip caller might be me - sounds like my mic is not working properly
- 14:32:42 [SimonR]
- Eric's here on IRC, and he helped wrangle a problem for me just earlier so I know he's awake.
- 14:32:42 [AndyS]
- JanneS? You dialed in? As [IPcaller]?
- 14:32:57 [kendallclark]
- [IPcaller] is Janne
- 14:33:00 [kendallclark]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Janne
- 14:33:00 [Zakim]
- +Janne; got it
- 14:33:11 [kendallclark]
- zakim, unmute Janne
- 14:33:11 [Zakim]
- Janne was not muted, kendallclark
- 14:33:25 [FredZ]
- FredZ has joined #dawg
- 14:33:27 [kendallclark]
- zakim, who's on the phone
- 14:33:27 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's on the phone', kendallclark
- 14:33:36 [kendallclark]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:33:36 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeeF, Janne, AndyS, SimonR, Kendall_Clark, EliasT, Fred_Zemke
- 14:33:44 [JanneS]
- let me call via other phone - skype's no good today
- 14:33:52 [bijan]
- bijan has joined #dawg
- 14:34:14 [Zakim]
- -Janne
- 14:34:15 [kendallclark]
- zakim, take up agendum #1
- 14:34:15 [Zakim]
- '#1' does not match any agenda item, kendallclark
- 14:34:18 [Zakim]
- +JanneS
- 14:34:23 [kendallclark]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 14:34:23 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Convene" taken up [from kendallclark]
- 14:34:49 [kendallclark]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JulSep/0193.html
- 14:35:16 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:35:22 [bijan]
- zakim, ipcaller is me
- 14:35:22 [Zakim]
- +bijan; got it
- 14:35:24 [kendallclark]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JulSep/0192.html
- 14:35:29 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:35:29 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 14:35:44 [LeeF]
- PROPOSED accept http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JulSep/0192.html at true record oflast week's meeting
- 14:35:59 [AndyS]
- Scribe: LeeF
- 14:36:02 [Zakim]
- +EricP
- 14:36:16 [AndyS]
- Chair: kendallclark
- 14:36:28 [LeeF]
- seconded and RESOLVED.
- 14:36:41 [bijan]
- I'm available
- 14:36:56 [kendallclark]
- zakim, please pick a scribe
- 14:36:56 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose LeeF
- 14:37:07 [kendallclark]
- zakim, please pick a scribe
- 14:37:07 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SimonR
- 14:37:21 [LeeF]
- RESOLVED to meet next week, Tue Sep 12, with SimonR scribing
- 14:37:59 [Zakim]
- -EliasT
- 14:38:31 [Zakim]
- +EliasT
- 14:39:33 [kendallclark]
- zakim, take up next agendum
- 14:39:33 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from kendallclark]
- 14:39:42 [bijan]
- I am on the call
- 14:39:48 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:39:48 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 14:40:22 [LeeF]
- ACTION: bijan to review FredZ Constructive mapping semantics for SPARQL 18 Aug
- 14:40:23 [LeeF]
- CONTINUES
- 14:40:30 [LeeF]
- ACTION: Bijan to review FredZ 2 Aug and relate to WG issue list
- 14:40:32 [LeeF]
- CONTINUE
- 14:40:35 [LeeF]
- CONTINUES
- 14:40:41 [bijan]
- This is the message that raised the issue:
- 14:40:41 [bijan]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JulSep/
- 14:40:41 [bijan]
- 0186.html
- 14:41:13 [LeeF]
- bijan: LeeF's message on filter -> 10 01http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JulSep/0186.html
- 14:41:26 [kendallclark]
- elias: http://www.w3.org/2006/08/29-dawg-minutes
- 14:41:32 [kendallclark]
- zakim, who's talking?
- 14:41:33 [LeeF]
- bijan: Chileans believe scope of filter variables should be fairly narrow
- 14:41:43 [Zakim]
- kendallclark, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bijan (95%), Kendall_Clark (39%)
- 14:41:49 [kendallclark]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:41:49 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should now be muted
- 14:42:16 [kendallclark]
- complexity of SPARQL w/ nested optional is PSPACE?
- 14:42:16 [LeeF]
- bijan: nested OPTIONAL pushes up the worst case of SPARQL complexity quite high, which may be new information to reopen nested OPTIONAL issue
- 14:42:27 [kendallclark]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:42:27 [Zakim]
- Kendall_Clark should no longer be muted
- 14:42:53 [EliasT]
- kendallclark, the minutes are fine, but the IRC log is 403.
- 14:44:07 [kendallclark]
- It's certainly new information, at least, IMO, -- the complexity results.
- 14:44:18 [FredZ]
- message 2006JulSep/0186 does not exist
- 14:44:19 [SimonR]
- I'm under the impression that we're pretty much obliged to support undecidable languages -- at the very least, OWL-Full...
- 14:44:30 [AndyS]
- In what way is it different from SQL?
- 14:44:56 [LeeF]
- LeeF: are we chartered to avoid putting constructs in the query language that bump up worst-case complexity?
- 14:45:17 [LeeF]
- bijan: not chartered as such, but it was input into decisions re: OPTIONAL at the Boston face to face and might be worth revisiting
- 14:45:24 [bijan]
- AndyS, I don't know. Perhaps that'll dispose of the matter. I.e., it doesn't matter
- 14:45:31 [FredZ]
- SQL committee routinely adopts features that are known to be difficult
- 14:45:41 [LeeF]
- kendallclark: this is new information; proposals to simplify language based on new information are in order, and we will discuss further
- 14:45:45 [FredZ]
- on the grounds that you let the user decide whether to run such a query
- 14:45:51 [Zakim]
- -bijan
- 14:46:03 [AndyS]
- As far as I can see the complexity is the same as SQL - evidence: there is a mapping to SQL.
- 14:46:13 [LeeF]
- Right, that's my feeling as well. (Let the user decide whether to write hard or easy queries.)
- 14:46:25 [LeeF]
- ACTION: KC to consider a new issue "entailment framework", somewhat like rdfSemantics, though perhaps different
- 14:46:26 [LeeF]
- DONE
- 14:46:38 [bijan]
- A polynominal mapping?
- 14:46:43 [LeeF]
- ACTION: KC to review FredZ 2 Aug for issue updates
- 14:46:44 [AndyS]
- FredZ, I agree
- 14:46:44 [LeeF]
- CONTINUES
- 14:46:45 [kendallclark]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:46:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeeF, AndyS, SimonR, Kendall_Clark, Fred_Zemke, JanneS, EricP, EliasT
- 14:47:00 [LeeF]
- ACTION: Lee to figure out the next step toward publication of SPARQL results format er.. JSON in particular
- 14:47:00 [LeeF]
- DONE
- 14:47:09 [SimonR]
- I'll claim my action complete, with thanks to LeeF for forwarding it: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2006JulSep/0195.html
- 14:47:09 [LeeF]
- ACTION: PatH to review FredZ Constructive mapping semantics for SPARQL 18 Aug
- 14:47:10 [LeeF]
- CONTINUES
- 14:47:11 [bijan]
- Look, I'm not against computational complexity in general
- 14:47:13 [bijan]
- obviously
- 14:47:21 [AndyS]
- 1-1 mapping of query to a single SQL statement
- 14:47:23 [LeeF]
- ACTION: SimonR to review FredZ Constructive mapping semantics for SPARQL 18 Aug
- 14:47:24 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:47:24 [LeeF]
- CONTINUES
- 14:47:30 [bijan]
- zakim, ipcaller is me
- 14:47:30 [Zakim]
- +bijan; got it
- 14:47:31 [kendallclark]
- zakim, take up next agendum
- 14:47:31 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Publication Schedules" taken up [from kendallclark]
- 14:47:34 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:47:34 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 14:47:43 [LeeF]
- bijan, would you like your action re: Chilean semantics and filter to continue?
- 14:47:48 [AndyS]
- (well - not 1-1 : 1 query in, 1 query out)
- 14:47:48 [bijan]
- My poitn is that people *have* raised that as a consideration against ceratin choices
- 14:47:49 [bijan]
- Yes
- 14:47:57 [LeeF]
- ACTION: Bijan to see if the Chilean's semantics paper offers any advice re: filters
- 14:47:58 [bijan]
- Yeah, so that doesn't show that the compelxity is the same
- 14:47:58 [LeeF]
- CONTINUES
- 14:48:07 [AndyS]
- Bounds it.
- 14:48:10 [bijan]
- Nope
- 14:48:22 [bijan]
- If you have to map it ot an exponential number of queries
- 14:48:30 [AndyS]
- How can the SPARQL query be more complex than it's implementation?
- 14:48:34 [bijan]
- Or even an infintie number of queries
- 14:48:40 [bijan]
- The implementation might not be complete
- 14:48:43 [LeeF]
- kendallclark: what are the editors thoughts on publishing rq24 as a working group WD to satisfy heartbeat requirement and let the community know where we are
- 14:48:47 [bijan]
- The implementation is SQL + the mapping
- 14:48:55 [bijan]
- If the mapping introduces exponentially many queries
- 14:49:05 [bijan]
- Then the complexity of sparql is greater than SQL
- 14:49:17 [kendallclark]
- zakim, agenda+ Complexity Considerations
- 14:49:17 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 added
- 14:49:19 [LeeF]
- ericP: happy to publish as is modulo pubrules ; we have questions that we need to ask the world about the query language (e.g. graph query vs. rdf semantics)
- 14:49:24 [AndyS]
- One query => one SQL statement
- 14:49:37 [SimonR]
- AndyS: The spec might admit simple solutions rather than one perfect, correct solution. In that way, the implementation might be *very* simple compared to the overall subtlety of the query language itself.
- 14:49:42 [bijan]
- If the *size* of the query is exponential, it doesn't matte
- 14:49:46 [bijan]
- Same issue
- 14:49:51 [LeeF]
- s/AndyS:/AndyS,/
- 14:50:07 [AndyS]
- It isn't expoential.
- 14:50:10 [bijan]
- Ok
- 14:50:13 [bijan]
- But you didn't say that
- 14:50:31 [bijan]
- And I'd want a proof that the reductioncaptures the semantics of the sparql
- 14:51:10 [LeeF]
- AndyS: what's the purpose of publishing something?
- 14:51:20 [SimonR]
- LeeF, ta.
- 14:51:24 [bijan]
- (This is a standard technique for showing complexity: if you can give a polynominal reduction of one formalism to another of a known complexity, then you've established an upper bound)
- 14:51:24 [LeeF]
- kendallclark: we owe the world/community an update on what we've been doing
- 14:51:47 [bijan]
- (But, afaik, no one has shown that for SPARQL relative to SQL, though I'm no expert on SQL complexity)
- 14:52:12 [AndyS]
- Err - the implementations?
- 14:52:27 [Zakim]
- -bijan
- 14:52:28 [bijan]
- That's not a proof
- 14:52:30 [FredZ]
- I am considering writing a general technique for SPARQL->SQL
- 14:52:37 [FredZ]
- is that of interest?
- 14:52:46 [bijan]
- Of course!
- 14:52:49 [bijan]
- Very valuable, IMHO
- 14:52:56 [AndyS]
- Yes - and I think it's been done at least twice already.
- 14:53:01 [LeeF]
- ericP: i prefer to publish both rq24 and JSON results format, since rq24 is where our recent energies have been going and we haven't looked at JSON results format in a while
- 14:53:05 [bijan]
- How do you know the implementation is acutally polynominal in every case?
- 14:53:27 [bijan]
- Argh, calling in failures are frustrating me
- 14:53:46 [kendallclark]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:53:47 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeeF, AndyS, SimonR, Kendall_Clark, Fred_Zemke, JanneS, EricP, EliasT
- 14:53:49 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:53:53 [bijan]
- zakim, ipcaller is me
- 14:53:53 [Zakim]
- +bijan; got it
- 14:53:57 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:53:57 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 14:54:43 [LeeF]
- ACTION: SimonR to review rq24 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
- 14:54:44 [LeeF]
- DONE
- 14:55:03 [LeeF]
- AndyS: what message are we trying to give to the community?
- 14:55:21 [Zakim]
- -bijan
- 14:55:47 [LeeF]
- AndyS: does publishing a WD remove us from CR?
- 14:56:06 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 14:56:13 [bijan]
- zakim, ipcaller is me
- 14:56:13 [Zakim]
- +bijan; got it
- 14:56:16 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:56:18 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 14:56:52 [bijan]
- I understand from DanC, last week, the WD knocks us out
- 14:57:16 [AndyS]
- XPath/Xquery published in CR with fixes.
- 14:57:34 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:57:34 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 14:57:36 [bijan]
- q+
- 14:57:40 [bijan]
- q-
- 14:57:43 [kendallclark]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:57:43 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeeF, AndyS, SimonR, Kendall_Clark, Fred_Zemke, JanneS, EricP, EliasT, bijan
- 14:57:45 [SimonR]
- To remain in CR, I'd suggest Andy is right, it'd take another editorial pass.
- 14:58:09 [LeeF]
- AndyS: knowing what happens with the status of the document affects what I spend my time on with respect to getting the text up to publishing quality
- 14:58:35 [LeeF]
- SimonR: i think publishing rq24 is the right step forward; if published as is (the fastest way forward), it's not CR material and we should publish as WD
- 14:58:56 [LeeF]
- SimonR: if we want to stay in CR, i suggest weneed to do some hole patching, but most of the hole patching is almost cosmetic.
- 14:59:06 [LeeF]
- SimonR: i say, go to WD and publish rq24
- 14:59:23 [LeeF]
- FredZ: i believe we should go to WD and I think current rq24 is better than current CR
- 15:00:23 [LeeF]
- ericP: i want to publish as quickly as possibly, but with a BIG RED NOTE asking for input into semantics
- 15:01:14 [LeeF]
- EliasT: i want topublish, but feel Andy's concerns about being careful going back into WD -- I think we need to make decisions quickly, and not go back into our pre-CR mode where we re-open lots of design decisions, etc.
- 15:01:42 [SimonR]
- If we drop back to WD, how long would it take to release a subsequent CR? Do was actually long any time that way compared to holding off on publishing until rq24 is tidied up?
- 15:01:59 [SimonR]
- Do we actually...
- 15:02:00 [LeeF]
- kendallclark: Going to WD does not open all old decisions -- still need burden of proof of new information to open new issues
- 15:02:08 [AndyS]
- SimonR - yes, in practice I can't see it not having that effect
- 15:02:17 [LeeF]
- EliasT: I agree; I think it's important to psychologically stay in a mode where we try to close issues and keep moving forward
- 15:02:37 [kendallclark]
- IMO, having 7 open issues on the issues list means that the horse is already bolted from the barn -- to use a technical phrase :)
- 15:02:45 [LeeF]
- bijan: i don't think we can avoid going back to WD (DISTINCT alone being underspecificed will require significant changes to document that probably can't be published as patch to current CR document)
- 15:03:12 [LeeF]
- bijan: as Dan pointed out, we might be able to go straight from WD to PR without having another CR
- 15:03:30 [LeeF]
- bijan: i prefer to publish a WD sooner, perhaps with a list of issues that we're trying to resolve (and appropriate solicitation for help)
- 15:03:39 [AndyS]
- I do not agree with Bijan's summary of DISTINCT.
- 15:05:28 [bijan]
- Slight rephrasing of what LeeF scribed: I think putting in a nailed definition of DISTINCT is sufficient to trigger another LC. (There may be no other ramifications.)
- 15:05:33 [LeeF]
- kendallclark: my preference is to publish rq24 as is modulo pubrules -- in status of the document section I want to point people to editorial changes and to point to issues lists, particularly open issues, and say that the WG is working to close issues, but we're not sure whta changes if any the issues will make in this document
- 15:06:33 [LeeF]
- ericP: don't think we have an open issue for whether bnodes have different semantics from variable
- 15:06:44 [LeeF]
- kendallclark: think I overloaded and reopened bnoderef for that issue
- 15:08:13 [EliasT]
- Zakim, mute me
- 15:08:13 [Zakim]
- EliasT should now be muted
- 15:08:14 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:08:15 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 15:08:20 [kendallclark]
- PROPOSAL: To publish rq24 as a Working Draft, including SOTD section written by EricP.
- 15:08:27 [bijan]
- Sorry!
- 15:08:28 [EliasT]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 15:08:28 [Zakim]
- EliasT should no longer be muted
- 15:08:29 [kendallclark]
- NP
- 15:08:32 [bijan]
- zakim, who's making noise
- 15:08:32 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's making noise', bijan
- 15:08:36 [bijan]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 15:08:49 [Zakim]
- bijan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (45%), Kendall_Clark (48%), EliasT (4%)
- 15:09:01 [EliasT]
- Zakim, mute me
- 15:09:01 [Zakim]
- EliasT should now be muted
- 15:09:29 [bijan]
- q+
- 15:09:41 [kendallclark]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:09:41 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeeF, AndyS, SimonR, Kendall_Clark, Fred_Zemke, JanneS, EricP, EliasT (muted), bijan (muted)
- 15:09:43 [bijan]
- q-
- 15:10:53 [kendallclark]
- LeeF, AndyS: no strong opinion
- 15:11:21 [LeeF]
- SimonR: What prefer one more editorial pass
- 15:11:25 [kendallclark]
- SimonR: Ideally, after a brief editorial pass, but immediately is fine
- 15:11:27 [LeeF]
- s/What/Would
- 15:11:43 [LeeF]
- kendallclark: prefers immediate publication, also happy with editorial pass if it took a day or two
- 15:12:04 [LeeF]
- FredZ: no opinion
- 15:12:11 [LeeF]
- JanneS: no opinion
- 15:12:32 [EliasT]
- EliasT: no strong opinion
- 15:12:33 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:12:33 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 15:12:36 [LeeF]
- ericP: no strong opinion other than wanting to put big red text in
- 15:13:00 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:13:00 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 15:13:25 [bijan]
- I prefer immediate, but am willing to defer to the editors, if they want to do some minor changes in a small timeframe
- 15:14:50 [bijan]
- I'm happy to do that review
- 15:15:23 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:15:23 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 15:16:02 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:16:02 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 15:16:52 [kendallclark]
- PROPOSAL: To publish rq24 on or shortly after 19 September, after a sanity-check review by BijanP, and after SOTD updates by EricP.
- 15:17:26 [LeeF]
- ericP: seconded
- 15:17:52 [LeeF]
- RESOLVED, no objections, no abstentions
- 15:18:13 [EliasT]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 15:18:13 [Zakim]
- EliasT should no longer be muted
- 15:18:14 [bijan]
- seconded!
- 15:18:24 [bijan]
- seconded again!
- 15:18:24 [bijan]
- seconded again!
- 15:18:44 [kendallclark]
- PROPOSAL: To publish json results doc as a WG Note
- 15:18:49 [kendallclark]
- erp
- 15:18:54 [kendallclark]
- PROPOSAL: To publish json results doc as a WG Note ASAP.
- 15:18:57 [kendallclark]
- heh
- 15:19:03 [bijan]
- seconded
- 15:19:11 [bijan]
- No
- 15:19:16 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:19:16 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 15:19:54 [kendallclark]
- PROPOSAL: To publish json results doc as a WG Submission ASAP.
- 15:20:07 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:20:07 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 15:20:12 [bijan]
- seconded!
- 15:20:16 [bijan]
- seconded!
- 15:20:28 [AndyS]
- We will need another WD after this one for SPARQL/language.
- 15:20:44 [bijan]
- yes, at least a lc wd
- 15:20:47 [LeeF]
- RESOLVED, FredZ abstaining
- 15:21:11 [bijan]
- But, as danc said last week, we could move to go to PR straight from LC
- 15:21:19 [AndyS]
- For the incompatible syntax changes.
- 15:21:46 [bijan]
- Heh. ok, then just substitute those for my point about distinct :)
- 15:22:05 [bijan]
- q+
- 15:22:14 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:22:14 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 15:22:38 [AndyS]
- There are no changes there - clarification is needed, not change.
- 15:23:19 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:23:19 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 15:23:56 [bijan]
- Andy, well, i disagree with that, but for my point *above* all I need is that there is *some* change requiring WD status
- 15:24:34 [bijan]
- And, for example, if we chose to use REALLYREALLYDISTINCT, which we could do, then I would imagine you'd feel that was a substantive change
- 15:26:12 [bijan]
- ta all
- 15:26:16 [bijan]
- secodn!
- 15:26:20 [LeeF]
- ADJOURNED.
- 15:26:22 [Zakim]
- -bijan
- 15:26:23 [Zakim]
- -Fred_Zemke
- 15:26:25 [Zakim]
- -JanneS
- 15:26:37 [Zakim]
- -LeeF
- 15:26:44 [LeeF]
- RRSAgent, stop.
- 15:26:44 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop.', LeeF. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 15:26:46 [Zakim]
- -SimonR
- 15:26:52 [LeeF]
- RRSAgent, stop logging
- 15:26:52 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', LeeF. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 15:26:56 [LeeF]
- rrsagent, stop