IRC log of wai-wcag on 2006-08-31

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RRSAgent, do not start a new log
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RRSAgent, make log world
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Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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scribe: Andi
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JulSep/0166.html
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Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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topic: Team C Survey
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ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060824-teamc/results
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Team B: LC-980, LC-1113, LC-1293
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+[IPcaller]
20:10:31 [Gregg]
Editors: LC-996, LC-694
20:10:52 [ben]
zakim, IPcaller is Sorcha_Moore
20:10:52 [Zakim]
+Sorcha_Moore; got it
20:11:25 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-980, LC-1113, LC-1293, LC-996, LC-694 as proposed by unanimous consent
20:11:32 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:11:32 [Zakim]
On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Gez, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Sofia_Celic (muted), Alex_Li,
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... Sorcha_Moore
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topic: LC-788
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resolution: accept LC-788 with edits
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topic: LC-789
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resolution: accept LC-789 with edits
20:14:22 [Loretta]
q+
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topic: LC-816
20:16:46 [Zakim]
+Tim_Boland
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-Alex_Li
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+Alex_Li
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resolution: accept LC-816 as amended (SC 1.3.3. When the sequence in which content is presented affects its meaning, a correct reading sequence can be programatically determined.) and revise LC-1159 to match
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topic: LC-1174
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topic: LC-1074
20:24:40 [Zakim]
-Bruce_Bailey
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resolution: accept LC-1074 as amended
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topic: LC-1075
20:25:37 [Zakim]
+Bruce_Bailey
20:26:50 [ben]
regrets: Roberto_Ellero, Luca_Mascaro, Roberto_Castaldo, Alex_Li, Christophe_Strobbe
20:26:55 [ben]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:26:55 [Zakim]
On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Gez, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Sofia_Celic (muted), Sorcha_Moore, Tim_Boland,
20:26:58 [Zakim]
... Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey
20:27:16 [ben]
regrets- Alex_Li
20:30:14 [Gregg]
On one page a checkmark is used to indicate that an item should be ordered and and another page it is used to indicate that a step has been completed. The same alt text "checked" could be used but since they serve differnt purposes, different alt text may make it easier to understand.
20:31:52 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-1075 as amended with to add this example " On one page a checkmark is used to indicate that an item should be ordered and and another page it is used to indicate that a step has been completed. The same alt text "checked" could be used but since they serve differnt purposes, different alt text may make it easier to understand."
20:32:39 [Andi]
topic: LC-1155
20:33:07 [Loretta]
q+
20:36:28 [Gregg]
ack l
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-Bruce_Bailey
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action: Gez to explore captchas to see if we can come up with a sufficient technique for people with multiple disabilities
20:46:23 [Andi]
action: Gregg and Ben to find out what happened to the captcha sufficient techniques
20:46:36 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-1155
20:48:21 [Andi]
s/LC-1155 as proposed/LC-1155/
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Topic: LC-1158
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action: Gregg to clarify his concern
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Topic: LC-1251
20:55:37 [ben]
zakim, who is making noise?
20:55:54 [Zakim]
ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (17%)
20:55:56 [Gez]
q+
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q-
20:58:36 [David]
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-frameset.dtd">
21:05:53 [Gregg]
If your baseline includes frames, then you can use them and noframes is not required. If frames are not in your baseline, then you can still use them but in this case, you would have to use noframes. Even if it is not in the baseline - it is good to include NOFRAMES. We will be adding an advisory technique that recomends its use.
21:05:53 [Gregg]
Note: We're no longer considering frames as non-text content and assistive technology support for frames has improved considerably. In XHTML, frames are addressed in a separate DTD.
21:06:52 [Gez]
q+
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q-
21:08:26 [Gregg]
If the baseline you are using includes frames, then you can use them and noframes is not required. If frames are not in the baseline, then you can still use them but in this case, you would have to use noframes. Even if it is not in the baseline - it is good to include NOFRAMES. We have an advisory technique (to be drafted) that recomends its use.
21:08:26 [Gregg]
Note: We're no longer considering frames as non-text content and assistive technology support for frames has improved considerably.
21:09:32 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-1251 as amended
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Topic: Team B Survey
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+Bruce_Bailey
21:14:26 [Andi]
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/teamb083106/results
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Topic: LC-497, LC-510, LC-573, LC-1110, LC-1142, LC-1290: Success Criterion 2.4.4
21:34:14 [Andi]
Refer LC-1251 back to Team B
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Topic: LC-625, LC-626, LC-1105, LC-1141, LC-1291: Descriptive titles
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s/LC-497, LC-510, LC-573, LC-1110, LC-1142, LC-1290: Success Criterion 2.4.4/LC-1251/
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-Tim_Boland
21:42:36 [Andi]
action: Loretta to add language to the appropriate responses that explains why we are not adding "unique"
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resolution: accept LC-625, LC-626, LC-1105, LC-1141, LC-1291: Descriptive titles as amended
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Topic: LC-971
21:46:27 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-971 as proposed
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Topic: LC-1109
21:48:48 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-1109 as amended
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Topic: LC-1113
21:52:45 [Andi]
resolution: accept LC-1113 as proposed
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LC-1293
21:54:38 [Loretta]
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060831editorz/results
21:54:44 [Andi]
No need for a resolution - this was already accepted by unanimous consent
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Topic: Editor's Survey
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http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20060831editorz/results
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Topic: LC-683
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resolution: accept LC-683 as amended
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Topic: LC-693
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resolution: accept LC-693 as amended
22:03:38 [David]
zakim, mute me
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David_MacDonald should now be muted
22:04:19 [David]
zakim, unmute me
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David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
22:04:36 [Andi]
Topic: accept LC-871 as proposed
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s/Resolution:/Topic:/
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Topic: LC-1199
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Resolution: Accept LC-1199 as amended
22:08:33 [ben]
Present: David_MacDonald, Bengt_Farre, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Gez, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Ben_Caldwell, Sofia_Celic, Sorcha_Moore, Tim_Boland, Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey
22:08:41 [ben]
RRSAgent, pointer?
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See http://www.w3.org/2006/08/31-wai-wcag-irc#T22-08-41
22:12:29 [Zakim]
-Sofia_Celic
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-Alex_Li
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-Becky_Gibson
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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-Gez
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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-Bengt_Farre
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
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-David_MacDonald
22:13:05 [ben]
zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Bengt_Farre, +1.978.399.aaaa, Becky_Gibson, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, Gez,
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... Gregg_Vanderheiden, Sofia_Celic, Alex_Li, Sorcha_Moore, Tim_Boland
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/31-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Gez to explore captchas to see if we can come up with a sufficient technique for people with multiple disabilities [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/31-wai-wcag-irc#T20-45-10
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ACTION: Gregg and Ben to find out what happened to the captcha sufficient techniques [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/31-wai-wcag-irc#T20-46-23
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ACTION: Gregg to clarify his concern [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/31-wai-wcag-irc#T20-53-47
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ACTION: Loretta to add language to the appropriate responses that explains why we are not adding "unique" [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/31-wai-wcag-irc#T21-42-36