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13:28:33 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:28:33 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 32 minutes
13:28:46 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:39:04 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Aug/0022.html
13:39:10 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:39:31 <shadi> agenda+ Pending decisions on EARL 1.0 Schema
13:39:41 <shadi> agenda+ Plan for EARL 1.0 Schema publication
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13:59:45 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:59:48 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:00:24 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
14:00:46 <JohannesK> zakim, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas is really Johannes
14:00:46 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
14:01:14 <Zakim> +??P14
14:01:32 <shadi> zakim, ? is really CarlosI
14:01:32 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
14:02:34 <Zakim> +??P0
14:02:45 <shadi> zakim, ? is really CarlosV
14:02:45 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
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14:05:04 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:05:23 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Jim
14:05:23 <Zakim> +Jim; got it
14:05:40 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Pending decisions on EARL 1.0 Schema" taken up [from shadi]
14:06:02 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Jul/0032
14:06:43 <JibberJim> SAZ: Testable Statement - testcase and requirement had some discussio
14:06:55 <JibberJim> SAZ: Looked at maximum cardinality to be added later
14:07:23 <JibberJim> SAZ: Some question if we really need it, and we need a  Test case description language really
14:07:43 <JibberJim> SAZ: If no new objections like to take it forward
14:07:50 <JibberJim> JK: Okay
14:07:56 <JibberJim> CV: Okay
14:08:13 <JibberJim> CI: Some concerns over Cardinality already sent by email
14:09:07 <JibberJim> CI: reduces interopability if you can't compare testcases and requirements
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14:09:49 <carlos_> zakim,mute me
14:09:49 <Zakim> sorry, carlos_, I do not see a party named 'carlos_'
14:10:04 <chaals> chaals has joined #er
14:10:16 <chaals> sorry folks, I will be another 15 minutes :(
14:10:55 <JibberJim> SAZ: Main issue is missing TCDL which limits the interopability to say things are the same - we can get by without that and even in the worst case you can still work with the general superclass of testablestatement
14:11:36 <JibberJim> SAZ: We hope people would be more consistent and a TCDL will arrive in the future
14:11:58 <JibberJim> CI: Could we force some interop by requiring a Requirement always?
14:12:24 <JibberJim> CI: It's more difficult to agree on testcases, especially if they are not public
14:12:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:12:48 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Chris
14:12:48 <Zakim> +Chris; got it
14:15:00 <JibberJim> SAZ: There is an ambiguity if you have testcase and requirement in same assertion - where does it apply to?
14:16:07 <JibberJim> SAZ: If we have to create logic to resolve that then we create TCDL.
14:16:19 <JibberJim> CI: I don't see why we need any resolution
14:17:03 <JibberJim> SAZ: If you have testcase "Is ALT?" and requirement "WCAG 1" what does it mean has been passed or failed?
14:17:30 <JibberJim> JK: Even more complicated if you have multiple testcases.
14:18:08 <JibberJim> SAZ: We resolved to have just one testable statement per result, so you'd have seperate test statements for each test and requirement
14:18:39 <JibberJim> CI: I see the problem, but I think the current proposal suffers the same problem, the requirement failure/pass is really down to the tests.
14:19:12 <JibberJim> JK: There is no 1-1 relationship between requirements and testcases so you may need 2 testcases to fulfil a requirement
14:20:07 <JibberJim> JK: Subject passes testcase 1, subject fails testcase 2, subject fails Requirement X
14:20:33 <JibberJim> JK: The test heirachy needs to be defined outside currently
14:21:12 <JibberJim> SAZ: Need to remember the TCDL is needed
14:21:23 <JibberJim> SAZ: Modularisation is a good approach
14:22:08 <JibberJim> SAZ: This isn't last chance
14:22:41 <JibberJim> SAZ: Any objections at putting into next editors draft
14:23:17 <JibberJim> RESOLUTION: Take proposal - testable statement subclass into editors draft
14:23:31 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Jul/0045
14:24:13 <JibberJim> SAZ: No objections to the proposal yet, I want to do some re-arranging and re-describing
14:24:16 <JibberJim> SAZ: Any comments?
14:24:53 <chaals> zakim, code?
14:24:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), chaals
14:24:54 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Aug/0010.html
14:25:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:25:45 <JibberJim> SAZ: Want to seperate out byte and char from the Snippet - prefer to have byteSnippet and charSnippet
14:25:56 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Charles
14:25:57 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'ipcaller'
14:26:58 <JibberJim> SAZ: Seperating makes sense if it's clearer for people
14:27:09 <JibberJim> s/SAZ/JL/
14:27:36 <JibberJim> SAZ: Seem to be no Objections
14:27:38 <chaals> [works for me]
14:28:53 <JibberJim> ACTION: JL reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Aug/0010.html particularly points 1 and 3
14:29:05 <JibberJim> RESOLUTION: Incorporate pointers into 1.0 schema
14:29:25 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
14:29:25 <Zakim> agendum 1, Pending decisions on EARL 1.0 Schema, closed
14:29:26 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:29:27 <JibberJim> SAZ: Should now have complete schema for next draft
14:29:28 <Zakim> 2. Plan for EARL 1.0 Schema publication [from shadi]
14:29:29 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:29:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Plan for EARL 1.0 Schema publication" taken up [from shadi]
14:30:14 <JibberJim> SAZ: We should publish by september, question is LC or not?
14:31:38 <shadi> ack chaals
14:31:40 <Zakim> chaals, you wanted to say not last call, given the elapsed time
14:31:43 <JibberJim> SAZ: Need to get everyone to look at it really hard check all everything once we get the status, then on the Telcon of the 20th Sept we decide what's up.
14:32:03 <JibberJim> CMN: I'd suggest we don't go LC on the first draft after a year
14:32:30 <JibberJim> CMN: good if we could get a draft out earlier than Sept, as early as next week even, and then aim to get LC in 6 weeks
14:33:04 <JibberJim> SAZ: Are you proposing Mondays version can go out for publication?
14:33:32 <JibberJim> SAZ: Any concerns?
14:33:56 <JibberJim> CMN: To Group on monday, group can review for a week, then take to TR a week later
14:34:18 <JibberJim> CMN: When would deadline be for objections, Friday 8th?
14:34:24 <JibberJim> s/CMN/SAZ/
14:34:32 <JibberJim> CMN: Friday 8th works for me
14:34:46 <JibberJim> SAZ: Will everyone be able to review editors draft next week?
14:36:23 <JibberJim> SAZ: plan to publish WD for 8th or so, then continue review to prepare for LC month later or so
14:36:43 <JibberJim> CMN: More like 6 to 8 weeks maybe
14:37:23 <JibberJim> SAZ: Also need to look at EARL Guide
14:37:50 <JibberJim> CV: Can hopefully look to do some updates next week
14:38:14 <JibberJim> SAZ: JK has sent me an updated HTTP RDF draft which we also need to publish soon
14:38:44 <JibberJim> SAZ: Preferably publish it as a note as the same time as we publish schema
14:39:27 <JibberJim> SAZ: No telcon for 2 weeks
14:41:20 <JibberJim> SAZ: No telcon for 3 weeks!
14:41:26 <Zakim> -Johannes
14:41:27 <Zakim> -Jim
14:41:30 <Zakim> -Chris
14:41:31 <Zakim> -CarlosV
14:41:31 <Zakim> -Shadi
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14:41:49 <Zakim> -chaals
14:41:51 <shadi> s/No telcon for 3 weeks/See you all in 3 weeks!
14:41:53 <Zakim> -CarlosI
14:41:54 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
14:41:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Johannes, CarlosI, CarlosV, Jim, Chris, chaals
14:42:10 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:42:14 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:42:14 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-er-actions.rdf :
14:42:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JL reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Aug/0010.html particularly points 1 and 3 [1]
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