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17:40:23 <jallan> zakim, this will be wai_u
17:40:23 <Zakim> ok, jallan; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
17:40:42 <jallan> zakim, make logs public
17:40:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make logs public', jallan
17:41:18 <jallan> rrsagent, set logs public
17:41:50 <jallan> Meeting: WAI UA
17:42:31 <jallan> Regrets: Charles M
17:42:45 <jallan> Chair: Jim Allan
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17:57:00 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started
17:57:07 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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17:57:42 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
17:58:12 <Zakim> +Jan_Richards
17:58:20 <jallan> zakim, +IBM is parente
17:58:20 <Zakim> sorry, jallan, I do not recognize a party named '+IBM'
17:59:07 <jallan> zakim, [IBM] is parente
17:59:10 <Zakim> +parente; got it
17:59:45 <JR> Scribe: JR
18:03:24 <JR> JA: Not able to get to his action items.
18:03:47 <Zakim> +[IBM]
18:04:03 <jallan> http://www.w3.org/2006/08/10-ua-minutes.html last minutes
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18:04:12 <JR> JR: Not done either
18:04:43 <jallan> zakim, [IBM] is cklaws
18:04:43 <Zakim> +cklaws; got it
18:06:50 <JR> Action JA: Contact Judy Brewer about IBM having a third rep on UA
18:07:27 <JR> Topic: 6.1 Programmatic access to HTML/XML infoset (P1) 
18:08:01 <JR> JA: Noticed no techniques for 6.1, 6.2, 6.4
18:09:17 <JR> JR: In 6.1, Write req given a lot of spac in notes.
18:09:37 <JR> PP: Do any AT's write to the infoset?
18:09:43 <JR> JA: Don't know of any.
18:10:56 <JR> PP: Defintion of infoset just seems to describe XML
18:12:33 <JR> Looking at http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xml-infoset-20011024/
18:13:00 <JR> PP: COuldn't UA conform by just handing over the HTML doc...
18:14:09 <JR> JR: Write req. seems to imply a centralized place for it
18:15:48 <JR> JA: Does this have to do with AJAX?
18:17:59 <JR> JA: CL can you ask Rich about implications of 6.1 - is AJAX related?
18:18:31 <JR> Action CL: ask Rich about implications of 6.1 - is AJAX related?
18:19:12 <JR> Topic: 6.2 DOM access to HTML/XML content (P1)
18:19:21 <JR> JA: Is DOM3 a rec?
18:20:14 <JR> JA: Yes according to W3 site.
18:20:47 <JR> JR: Still a P1?
18:21:03 <jallan> dom 3 http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-DOM-Level-3-Core-20040407/
18:22:35 <JR> CL: Trend may be moving from DOM to access API (DOM info coming through access API's)
18:22:53 <jallan> for assitive technologies
18:23:06 <JR> PP: In Linux world, get info through Accessibility API, not DOM.
18:23:31 <JR> PP: IN windows world AT's go back and forth.
18:24:31 <JR> CL: HPR using DOM
18:26:02 <JR> CL: So browser has DOM, but exposed differently on diff platforms
18:28:30 <jallan> AT can use accessibility API or use browser DOM
18:28:52 <JR> CL: 6.2 already mentions multiple ways to get to the DOM
18:29:29 <jallan> What level of DOM implementation on current browsers?
18:29:37 <JR> e.g. In the Java and ECMAScript operating environments, export the normative bindings specified in the DOM Level 2 Core Specification 
18:29:44 <JR> ...In other operating environments, the exported bindings (e.g., C++) must be publicly documented.
18:29:52 <jallan> how will changing to DOM3 impact compliance
18:30:30 <JR> action JA: Review implementation report to see who complies with 6.2
18:32:19 <JR> JA: Lst sentence of Note 1 looks like a technique.
18:33:02 <JR> JA's action is COMPLETE - all are noted as complete.
18:34:59 <JR> JA: iSimpleDOMnode(sp?) is interface to query using DOM calls
18:35:09 <JR> actually was PP
18:35:29 <JR> CL: IMportatn because MSAA didn't give good even access to attributes
18:36:30 <parente> http://www.mozilla.org/access/windows/at-apis
18:36:42 <parente> see heading "MSAA tree vs. DOM tree - what's the relation?"
18:38:13 <JR> JA: Pull last sentence out as a tech "Developers should therefore use commonly available operating system supported interprocess communication features (such as semaphores) to ensure synchronized, thread-safe access.
18:38:13 <JR> "
18:39:22 <jallan> cl: js or xul in Firefox can write to dom
18:39:25 <JR> Using Javascript or Zule is read/write...
18:39:28 <parente> http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Safely_accessing_content_DOM_from_chrome
18:39:35 <JR> Zule=xul
18:39:50 <JR> iSimpleDOMnode can only read
18:40:17 <parente> ISimpleDOMNode
18:41:07 <jallan> Action: JA add xul url to references "Writing to DOM in Firefox using XUL"
18:43:31 <JR> Topic: 6.3 Programmatic access to non-HTML/XML content (P1) 
18:46:06 <JR> JA: Just saying use published API's
18:46:17 <JR> JA: Weird technique
18:46:24 <JR> PP: Just a statement of fact
18:46:46 <JR> JA: SHould we have ODF mentionned in Notes and Rationale
18:47:52 <parente> http://udk.openoffice.org/
18:47:56 <parente> Uno ^
18:48:17 <JR> CL: Do AT's go to Uno?
18:48:39 <JR> PP: No - it's OpenOffice's API, not for the dpocument in particular
18:49:36 <JR> JA: Browser nedds plugins for these formats...
18:49:45 <JR> CL Browser is container for plugin
18:50:20 <JR> JAL Like when PDF opens in browser
18:51:17 <JR> CL: Flash access is IE-specific and Windows-specific
18:52:12 <JR> CL: XPcom is a kind of Com intercae specific to Firefox
18:53:12 <JR> JA: Let's defer this one.
18:53:21 <JR> JA: Till F2F?
18:54:27 <JR> PP: ATSPI could be added as well to techs.
18:54:53 <parente> UNO reference: http://udk.openoffice.org/
18:55:13 <parente> XPCOM reference: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xpcom/
18:55:48 <jallan> Action: JA: add uno reference, and XPCOM. expand #2 atk to be atk/atspi
18:56:09 <JR> JA: Let's stop there
18:56:50 <Zakim> -cklaws
18:56:52 <Zakim> -parente
19:04:49 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
19:04:51 <Zakim> -Jan_Richards
19:04:53 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
19:04:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Jim_Allan, Jan_Richards, parente, cklaws
19:04:58 <JR> RRSAgent, make minutes
19:04:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/24-ua-minutes.html JR
19:05:10 <JR> RRSAgent, set logs public
19:05:42 <JR> Zakim, bye
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19:05:48 <JR> RRSAgent, bye
19:05:48 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/24-ua-actions.rdf :
19:05:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JA to Contact Judy Brewer about IBM having a third rep on UA [1]
19:05:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/24-ua-irc#T18-06-50
19:05:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CL to ask Rich about implications of 6.1 - is AJAX related? [2]
19:05:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/24-ua-irc#T18-18-31
19:05:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JA to Review implementation report to see who complies with 6.2 [3]
19:05:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/24-ua-irc#T18-30-30
19:05:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JA add xul url to references "Writing to DOM in Firefox using XUL" [4]
19:05:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/24-ua-irc#T18-41-07
19:05:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JA: add uno reference, and XPCOM. expand #2 atk to be atk/atspi [5]
19:05:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/24-ua-irc#T18-55-48