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14:30:05 <ChrisW> zakim, this will be rif
14:30:05 <Zakim> ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 30 minutes
14:30:16 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
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14:57:21 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
14:57:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:57:38 <FrankMcCabe> FrankMcCabe has changed the topic to: 22 Aug 06 RIF Agenda: zakim, ipcaller is me
14:57:52 <FrankMcCabe> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:57:52 <Zakim> +FrankMcCabe; got it
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14:57:56 <ChrisW> ChrisW has changed the topic to: 22 Aug 06 RIF Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Aug/0017.html
14:58:03 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:58:25 <MoZ> Zakim, what is the code ?
14:58:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 74394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), MoZ
14:58:43 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
14:58:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see FrankMcCabe, Sandro
14:58:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see mdean, Francois, igor, Harold, FrankMcCabe, AlexKozlenkov, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisW, sandro, MoZ
14:58:51 <Zakim> +??P19
14:59:05 <Francois> zakim, +??P19
14:59:05 <Zakim> I saw ??P19 just arrive
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14:59:23 <Francois> zakim, please mute me.
14:59:31 <sandro> zakim, ??P19 is Francois 
14:59:33 <Zakim> sorry, Francois, I do not see a party named 'Francois'
14:59:39 <Zakim> +Francois; got it
14:59:49 <Zakim> +??P11
14:59:51 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
14:59:52 <Deborah_Nichols> Deborah_Nichols has joined #rif
14:59:53 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
14:59:59 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
15:00:00 <sandro> zakim, please mute Francois 
15:00:01 <Zakim> Francois should now be muted
15:00:01 <igor> zakim, ??P11 is me
15:00:05 <Zakim> +igor; got it
15:00:16 <igor> zakim, mute me
15:00:16 <Zakim> igor should now be muted
15:00:22 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me
15:00:22 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
15:00:24 <Zakim> +Peter_PS
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15:00:35 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:00:36 <Zakim> +Leora_Morgenstern
15:00:37 <Zakim> +Deborah_Nichols
15:00:45 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, please mute me
15:00:45 <Zakim> Leora_Morgenstern should now be muted
15:00:46 <ChrisW> zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
15:00:46 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
15:00:53 <johnhall> johnhall has joined #rif
15:00:58 <ChrisW> zakim, who is here?
15:00:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see FrankMcCabe, Sandro, Francois (muted), igor (muted), Harold, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Mike_Dean, Peter_PS, Deborah_Nichols (muted), ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern
15:01:02 <Zakim> ... (muted)
15:01:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see johnhall, patranja, Deborah_Nichols, AxelPolleres, Hassan, LeoraMorgenstern, mdean, Francois, igor, Harold, FrankMcCabe, AlexKozlenkov, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisW,
15:01:07 <Zakim> ... sandro, MoZ
15:01:09 <Zakim> +??P34
15:01:11 <Zakim> +Axel_Polleres
15:01:25 <MoZ> Zakim, ? is MoZ
15:01:25 <Zakim> +MoZ; got it
15:01:25 <Allen> Allen has joined #rif
15:01:42 <Deborah_Nichols> hello from the muted
15:01:58 <StellaMitchell> StellaMitchell has joined #rif
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15:02:09 <Zakim> +[LMU]
15:02:12 <pfps> zakim, who is on the call
15:02:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', pfps
15:02:24 <Zakim> +Allen_Ginsberg
15:02:34 <Allen> zakim, mute me
15:02:34 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should now be muted
15:02:54 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:03:02 <StellaMitchell> zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
15:03:02 <Zakim> +StellaMitchell; got it
15:03:20 <pfps> zakim, who is here?
15:03:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see FrankMcCabe, Sandro, Francois (muted), igor (muted), Harold, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Mike_Dean, Peter_PS, Deborah_Nichols (muted), ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern
15:03:23 <Zakim> ... (muted), MoZ, Axel_Polleres (muted), PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg (muted), StellaMitchell (muted)
15:03:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, StellaMitchell, Allen, johnhall, PaulaP, Deborah_Nichols, AxelPolleres, Hassan, LeoraMorgenstern, mdean, Francois, igor, Harold, FrankMcCabe, AlexKozlenkov,
15:03:27 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisW, sandro, MoZ
15:04:04 <Zakim> +??P51
15:04:15 <ChrisW> allen, can you scribe today?
15:04:38 <sandro> Allen?
15:04:54 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, ??P51 is me
15:04:54 <Zakim> +AlexKozlenkov; got it
15:04:54 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, ??P51 is me
15:04:55 <Zakim> I already had ??P51 as AlexKozlenkov, AlexKozlenkov
15:05:00 <sandro> zakim, unmute Allen_Ginsberg
15:05:00 <Zakim> Allen_Ginsberg should no longer be muted
15:05:54 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, mute me
15:05:54 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should now be muted
15:06:07 <johnhall> CAn't get in on phone - have tried 3 times
15:06:15 <ChrisW> zakim, unmute alex
15:06:15 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should no longer be muted
15:06:22 <sandro> What happens when you try, John?
15:06:47 <johnhall> after entering code - silence then cut-off
15:07:24 <ChrisW> zakimj, unmute leora
15:07:30 <ChrisW> zakim, unmute leora
15:07:30 <Zakim> Leora_Morgenstern should no longer be muted
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15:08:49 <Zakim> +??P1
15:08:56 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, mute me
15:08:56 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should now be muted
15:08:59 <SaidTabet> zakim, ??P1 is me
15:08:59 <Zakim> +SaidTabet; got it
15:09:05 <SaidTabet> zakim, mute me
15:09:05 <Zakim> SaidTabet should now be muted
15:10:15 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, who is here?
15:10:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see FrankMcCabe, Sandro, Francois (muted), igor (muted), Harold, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Mike_Dean, Peter_PS, Deborah_Nichols (muted), ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern,
15:10:17 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Aug/0022.html
15:10:18 <Zakim> ... MoZ, Axel_Polleres (muted), PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg, StellaMitchell (muted), AlexKozlenkov (muted), SaidTabet (muted)
15:10:20 <LeoraMorgenstern> LeoraMorgenstern has joined #rif
15:10:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see SaidTabet, pfps, johnhall, PaulaP, AxelPolleres, Hassan, mdean, Francois, igor, Harold, FrankMcCabe, AlexKozlenkov, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisW, sandro, MoZ
15:10:43 <StellaMitchell> StellaMitchell has joined #rif
15:10:44 <sandro> resolved: Minutes from July 18th approved
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15:11:02 <LeoraMorgenstern> I'm in again, and I can scribe
15:11:19 <sandro> Deferring discussion of Said's minutes, since we only got them yesterday.
15:11:26 <ChrisW> scribenick: leoramorgenstern
15:11:51 <Zakim> +??P3
15:12:17 <SaidTabet> zakim, unmute me
15:12:18 <Zakim> SaidTabet should no longer be muted
15:12:34 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:13:12 <AlexKozlenkov> said must be?
15:13:24 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris:  SPARQL liaison (fill in later)
15:13:38 <SaidTabet> zakim, mute me
15:13:38 <Zakim> SaidTabet should now be muted
15:14:02 <SaidTabet> zakim, unmute me
15:14:02 <Zakim> SaidTabet should no longer be muted
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15:14:27 <SaidTabet> zakim, mute me
15:14:27 <Zakim> SaidTabet should now be muted
15:14:52 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris: SPARQL is in candidate recommendation.,
15:15:16 <LeoraMorgenstern> lots of discussion as to whether or not it is good.
15:16:16 <LeoraMorgenstern> Sandro: after candidate recommendation, still need proposed recommendation
15:16:28 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris: Any news on SVR? ODM?
15:16:34 <LeoraMorgenstern> No answers
15:16:49 <johnhall> SBVR - Donald has established good liaison with ISO terminology groups. He is is Beijing this week at an ISO workshop.
15:17:21 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/open
15:17:30 <Deborah_Nichols> chris, there are also open issues related to the UCR
15:17:39 <LeoraMorgenstern> Moving on to use cases
15:18:35 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris: Deborah Nichols has moved all issues with the document into Issues Tracker. This will be our official vehicle for tracking issues
15:19:49 <Deborah_Nichols> could we look at issues 3, 4,  9-11, and 21
15:20:15 <ChrisW> zakim, unmute deborah
15:20:15 <Zakim> Deborah_Nichols should no longer be muted
15:20:31 <ChrisW> q?
15:20:37 <AxelPolleres> q-
15:21:55 <ChrisW> once again, we are here: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/issues/open
15:21:57 <LeoraMorgenstern> (By the way, half of what I put into IRC isn't showing up, but I am keeping a separate off line copy)
15:22:19 <JeffP> Sorry for the late, I seem to have problem dailing in
15:22:33 <ChrisW> ok, thanks
15:23:24 <LeoraMorgenstern> (I typed that in 5 minutes ago. Nothing is showing up. Will send out off line minutes later.)
15:24:16 <LeoraMorgenstern> Deborah Nichols has moved all issues with the document into Issues Tracker
15:24:28 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris: This will be our official vehicle for tracking issues
15:24:48 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris: Everyone should be aware of open issues.
15:27:34 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris: Start looking at it, be ready to discuss next week
15:29:30 <LeoraMorgenstern> Allen: Did issues of coverage ever make it into Open Issues?
15:29:48 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:29:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see FrankMcCabe, Sandro, Francois (muted), igor (muted), Harold, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Mike_Dean, Peter_PS, Deborah_Nichols, ChrisW, Leora_Morgenstern, MoZ,
15:29:51 <Zakim> ... Axel_Polleres (muted), PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg, StellaMitchell (muted), AlexKozlenkov (muted), SaidTabet (muted), JosDeRoo (muted)
15:30:11 <LeoraMorgenstern> Deborah: Issues 14 and 16 are related to coverage. Put one sentence into document about OWL-RDF coverage.
15:31:20 <LeoraMorgenstern> Deborah: Would like to discuss several issues. 9,10, and 11 seem to be directly related to editing of docuemnt. Perhaps Allen and David could take these and just do them. 
15:32:21 <LeoraMorgenstern> Deborah: Issue 3: concerns XML syntax but raises a question. Who was it that raised the question? It needs to be sharpened. 
15:32:43 <Zakim> -SaidTabet
15:33:39 <LeoraMorgenstern> Deborah: Should it be linked to critical success factor in document?
15:34:07 <johnhall> Sorry, but with no phone and Zakim on a go-slow, I'm not getting much out of this
15:34:17 <johnhall> I'll sign off and wait for the minutes
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15:34:57 <Hassan> q+
15:35:18 <ChrisW> zakim, who is talking?
15:35:29 <Zakim> ChrisW, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Peter_PS (14%), FrankMcCabe (21%), ChrisW (88%), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (12%)
15:35:32 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris: What were we talking about when we raised  this issue?
15:36:16 <Zakim> + +1.503.317.aaaa
15:36:33 <LeoraMorgenstern> Sandro: Don't remember any real discussion about this (xml requirement), Everyone thought this was obvious --- a basic requirement.
15:36:52 <ChrisW> action: hassan to work with Frank to augment type discriminators proposal
15:36:58 <pfps> zakim, mute me
15:36:58 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I do not see a party named 'pfps'
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15:37:23 <pfps> zakim, mute peter_ps
15:37:23 <Zakim> Peter_PS should now be muted
15:37:30 <Hassan> q?
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15:37:34 <Hassan> q-
15:37:41 <Deborah_Nichols> q-
15:38:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:38:41 <AxelPolleres> Can it be that the IRC problems are only on the web-interface?
15:38:44 <LeoraMorgenstern> Frank: Big discussion about supporting w3c and supporting take up of the spec.
15:38:53 <AxelPolleres> ... I don't have any
15:40:07 <ChrisW> action axel to add wiki page on "types of negation" by Sept
15:41:03 <ChrisW> action axel to add paula's discriminators to questionnaire
15:41:14 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:41:14 <Zakim> sorry, MichaelKifer, I do not see a party named 'MichaelKifer'
15:41:19 <ChrisW> zakim, who is here?
15:41:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see FrankMcCabe, Sandro, Francois (muted), igor (muted), Harold, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), Mike_Dean, Peter_PS (muted), Deborah_Nichols (muted), ChrisW,
15:41:22 <Zakim> ... Leora_Morgenstern, MoZ, Axel_Polleres, PaulaP (muted), Allen_Ginsberg, StellaMitchell (muted), AlexKozlenkov (muted), JosDeRoo (muted), +1.503.317.aaaa, [IPcaller]
15:41:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see Deborah_Nichols, MichaelKifer, JosDeRoo, JeffP, StellaMitchell, LeoraMorgenstern, pfps, PaulaP, AxelPolleres, Hassan, mdean, Francois, igor, Harold, FrankMcCabe,
15:41:28 <Zakim> ... AlexKozlenkov, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisW, sandro, MoZ
15:41:32 <MichaelKifer> zakim, IPcaller is me
15:41:32 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer; got it
15:41:36 <Hassan> q+
15:41:36 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:41:37 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:42:27 <LeoraMorgenstern> Sandro: this should be taken as an action to answer this question.
15:42:39 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris: applies to widespread adoption, perhaps.
15:42:47 <LeoraMorgenstern> (that is, the XML requirement)
15:42:54 <LeoraMorgenstern> Action on Frank to address issue 3.
15:43:33 <LeoraMorgenstern> Deborah:  issue #21: What does this mean? Rif isn't going to be translating from XML to XML as part of the spec. RIF representation of XML will be XML.  
15:43:49 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, unmute me
15:43:49 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should no longer be muted
15:43:53 <AlexKozlenkov> q+
15:45:58 <Hassan> q-
15:47:41 <LeoraMorgenstern> Chris: That (embedding XML in RIF) is the idea.
15:52:01 <ChrisW> action: alex to record questionnaire answers for JBoss and XUL in an email
15:52:42 <AlexKozlenkov> zakim, mute me
15:52:42 <Zakim> AlexKozlenkov should now be muted
15:53:11 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to dump questionaire questions back to RAF wiki page
15:53:30 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to include Paula's questions to questionnaire
15:53:33 <PaulaP> +1
15:53:34 <Hassan> +1
15:53:35 <Zakim> -Peter_PS
15:53:38 <AxelPolleres> +1
15:53:43 <PaulaP> bye
15:53:43 <Zakim> -Harold
15:53:44 <Zakim> -AlexKozlenkov
15:53:46 <Zakim> -Allen_Ginsberg
15:53:48 <Zakim> -Sandro
15:53:49 <Zakim> -StellaMitchell
15:53:50 <Zakim> -Deborah_Nichols
15:53:50 <PaulaP> PaulaP has left #rif
15:53:51 <Zakim> - +1.503.317.aaaa
15:53:53 <Zakim> -PaulaP
15:53:55 <Zakim> -igor
15:53:56 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
15:53:59 <Zakim> -JosDeRoo
15:54:04 <Zakim> -MoZ
15:54:12 <Zakim> -Axel_Polleres
15:54:18 <Zakim> -Francois
15:54:30 <LeoraMorgenstern> Deborah: Can clear up open issues page to make this clear.
15:54:49 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
15:55:01 <Zakim> -ChrisW
15:55:03 <Zakim> -Leora_Morgenstern
15:55:11 <Zakim> -FrankMcCabe
15:55:15 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
15:55:16 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
15:55:17 <Zakim> Attendees were FrankMcCabe, Sandro, Francois, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, Mike_Dean, igor, Harold, Peter_PS, Leora_Morgenstern, Deborah_Nichols, ChrisW, Axel_Polleres, MoZ, Allen_Ginsberg,
15:55:20 <Zakim> ... PaulaP, StellaMitchell, AlexKozlenkov, SaidTabet, JosDeRoo, +1.503.317.aaaa, MichaelKifer
15:55:26 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
15:56:13 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
15:56:38 <ChrisW> sandro?
15:56:45 <ChrisW> rrsagent, list actions
15:56:46 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-actions.rdf :
15:56:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: hassan to work with Frank to augment type discriminators proposal [1]
15:56:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-irc#T15-36-52
15:56:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: alex to record questionnaire answers for JBoss and XUL in an email [2]
15:56:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-irc#T15-52-01
15:56:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Axel to dump questionaire questions back to RAF wiki page [3]
15:56:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-irc#T15-53-11
15:56:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Axel to include Paula's questions to questionnaire [4]
15:56:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-irc#T15-53-30
15:58:22 <sandro> ChrisW?
15:58:37 <ChrisW> can't get to the formatted minutes (permissions)
15:58:52 <sandro> zakim, make record public
15:58:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make record public', sandro
15:59:34 <sandro> zakim, make minutes
15:59:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', sandro
15:59:47 <sandro> weird
15:59:51 <sandro> zakim, pointer
15:59:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pointer', sandro
15:59:51 <ChrisW> rrsagent
15:59:55 <sandro> right.
16:00:00 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public
16:00:06 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:00:06 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-irc#T16-00-06
16:00:22 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:00:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/22-rif-minutes.html sandro
16:00:42 <sandro> okay now, ChrisW ?
16:00:43 <ChrisW> (I did all that before)
16:00:54 <ChrisW> but it seems to have worked
16:01:07 <ChrisW> is there a dif between "make logs public" and "make record public"???
16:01:12 <sandro> I'm sure you did -- but I have a +4 ring of Demo Karma.
16:01:18 <ChrisW> ah
16:01:22 <ChrisW> mine is only +2
16:01:46 <sandro> I'm not sure about "record" vs "logs".    Maybe "logs" is only IRC and not also the geenerated minutes.
16:02:06 <ChrisW> i'll try (to remember to try) that next time
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