IRC log of ws-policy-eds on 2006-08-16

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18:26:33 [asir]
ACTION: Toufic to own the implementation of 3565
18:27:35 [toufic]
scribe: toufic
18:27:56 [toufic]
Present: Asir, Dave, Maryann, Toufic, Prasad, plh
18:28:11 [toufic]
next week scribe is prasad
18:28:20 [toufic]
next week chair is asir
18:28:21 [toufic]
next week chair is asir
18:28:22 [prasad]
Chair: Prasad
18:28:31 [toufic]
last week's minutes are approved
18:28:41 [toufic]
TODAY - Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3560 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-minutes.html#action10]
18:28:52 [toufic]
TODAY - Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3566 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-minutes.html#action05]
18:30:21 [toufic]
ACTION: asir to owm 3560
18:30:46 [toufic]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Aug/0067.html
18:31:12 [asir]
TOPIC: Dave to own http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/03-ws-policy-minutes.html#action06]
18:31:12 [asir]
STATUS - awaiting term extract XSL, no ETA
18:32:29 [prasad]
AI Maryann to propose wording for http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action10
18:34:31 [toufic]
STATUS - TBA by tomorrow (Thursday August 17)
18:34:47 [prasad]
TOPIC: Maryann to propose wording for http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-ws-policy-minutes.html#action15
18:36:10 [asir]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Aug/0040.html
18:38:00 [toufic]
confusion about which "domain" definition needs to be cleaned up
18:38:25 [toufic]
maryann: define difference between domain and domain expression
18:38:33 [toufic]
asir: difficult to define "domain"
18:39:05 [toufic]
maryann: several references to the word "domain". need to be consistent across the document
18:39:27 [toufic]
maryann: need to be specific about "WS-Policy domain" vs just "domain"
18:40:14 [plh]
agenda+ Status of the Primer
18:40:51 [maryann]
I tried to take a broader view of the issues we were having in the documents with our loose use of the term "domain" and "domain expression"
18:41:11 [maryann]
however it seems that Asir took a much more narrow use of the term in one specific section
18:41:44 [maryann]
so i need to go back and rework the proposal
18:42:52 [maryann]
however in the discussion today on the confusion by dale, there seems to be more issues around the term domain
18:43:44 [maryann]
maryann view of what her followon item is, is that she will rework the proposal
18:44:00 [toufic]
STATUS: Maryann to rework the proposal to be restricted to paragraph 3.4
18:44:03 [maryann]
to be very specific in proposing ONLY the change to 3.4
18:44:40 [maryann]
and to suggest some additional text to see if this can be at all useful in the discussion with dale
18:44:52 [maryann]
but since toufic owns that item, he can take it or leave it
18:45:05 [maryann]
there will be 2 things from me, the "narrow" edit
18:45:14 [maryann]
and some additional text suggestions
18:45:29 [Zakim]
-maryann
18:45:50 [prasad]
TOPIC: Editors to convert Understanding WS-Policy whitepaper to spec format (background task for Asir / Felix)
18:48:36 [toufic]
plh: maryann and umit will be working on primer next week
18:49:01 [toufic]
plh: not sure how it lines up with work asir and felix are doing on submitted white paper
18:49:57 [toufic]
ACTION: asir to check in document by this week-end
18:50:15 [toufic]
s/document/white paper/
18:51:48 [toufic]
ACTION: discuss coordination between white paper work and primer work
18:52:37 [prasad]
s/discuss/editors to discuss/
18:54:09 [prasad]
TOPIC: Diff Generation
18:54:51 [toufic]
STATUS: PENDING input from Norm Walsh
18:55:07 [toufic]
Norm Walsh to provide with config files next week
18:57:44 [prasad]
see /XML/Group/xsl-query-specs/data-model/build.xml
18:58:25 [plh]
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/xsl-query-specs/data-model/build.xml
18:59:50 [prasad]
The above is the absolute URI to the Xsl query build.xml file that norm Walsh referrred to
19:00:26 [Zakim]
-DOrchard
19:00:29 [prasad]
plh: it is not just getting build.xml. You need software installed also
19:02:04 [prasad]
plh: Let us wait for Felix to return to fix-up the build.xml and make it deployable
19:03:54 [toufic]
ACTION: W3C staff contact to automate generation of diff files
19:04:52 [prasad]
s/files/ for WS-Policy by deploying the diffmk tool and updating he build.xml etc./
19:05:56 [asir]
rrsagent, please show the action items
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Toufic to own the implementation of 3565 [1]
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-26-33
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: asir to owm 3560 [2]
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-30-21
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: asir to check in document by this week-end [3]
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-49-57
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: discuss coordination between white paper work and primer work [4]
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-51-48
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: W3C staff contact to automate generation of diff files [5]
19:05:56 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T19-03-54
19:06:26 [prasad]
Jars needed are: diffmk.jar and resolver.jar
19:07:12 [maryann]
what is the white paper?
19:07:20 [prasad]
TOPIC: Chnage Log
19:07:31 [prasad]
s/Chnage/Change/
19:07:52 [prasad]
Understanding WS-Policy whitepaper
19:08:17 [maryann]
how does relate to the action items of the editors?
19:08:44 [maryann]
i thought the action item for the primer included addressing this?
19:08:58 [maryann]
is there another action item from the working group that I missed?
19:09:18 [asir]
Editors to convert Understanding WS-Policy whitepaper to spec format [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]
19:09:18 [asir]
STATUS - This is a BACKGROUND TASK (for Asir and Felix).
19:09:48 [maryann]
ok thanks
19:10:41 [toufic]
asir: did WG approve outline?
19:11:21 [asir]
s/asir: did WG approve outline/ /
19:11:22 [maryann]
yes i believe they did, at least we presented it on the call and there were comments but no objections
19:12:17 [maryann]
so i'm not familiar with the W3C process.....is a white paper considered a specification?
19:13:44 [maryann]
is that a yes?
19:14:27 [maryann]
sorry, i have to listen on this other call but I can type
19:14:56 [plh]
so the situation is as-is:
19:15:08 [plh]
Maryann and Umit were tasked to do an outline, and they did
19:15:26 [plh]
Felix and Asir were tasked to do the conversion, and they about done
19:15:40 [maryann]
well i believe we had an action to create a primer, and the outline was the first step
19:15:45 [plh]
behond that point, it's not clear how to proceed
19:16:02 [plh]
s/hond/yond/
19:16:06 [maryann]
did i misunderstand the scope of that action item too? i'm still trying to learn the nuance of this process
19:16:32 [maryann]
the action item text is not always as clear as it could be
19:16:54 [toufic]
i would imagine that after the outline, comes the body of the document
19:17:15 [toufic]
and the intent (if not the explicit instructions) is the incorporate the material from the white paper
19:17:25 [toufic]
into the primer that maryann and umit are working on
19:17:30 [toufic]
as they see fit
19:17:36 [toufic]
is that reasonable?
19:17:37 [maryann]
is there an action i should take to ensure that umit and I are understanding are role correctly?
19:18:23 [maryann]
s/are/our
19:19:10 [maryann]
can't remember how to indicate the second instance of the substitution :-)
19:19:47 [toufic]
plh: umit and maryann where tasked to produce an outline
19:19:53 [toufic]
plh: next steps are up to the chairs
19:21:10 [Zakim]
-[Microsoft]
19:21:19 [prasad]
rrsagent, please set these logs world-visible
19:21:23 [toufic]
rrsagent, please generate minutes
19:21:23 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html toufic
19:22:52 [Zakim]
-Plh
19:22:54 [Zakim]
-Prasad_Yendluri
19:23:07 [prasad]
Adjourned
19:23:09 [Zakim]
-Toufic
19:23:10 [Zakim]
WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Toufic, Prasad_Yendluri, Plh, DOrchard, maryann, [Microsoft]
19:41:31 [maryann]
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22:03:31 [plh]
rrsagent, bye
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-actions.rdf :
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Toufic to own the implementation of 3565 [1]
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-26-33
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: asir to owm 3560 [2]
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-30-21
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: asir to check in document by this week-end [3]
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-49-57
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: discuss coordination between white paper work and primer work [4]
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-51-48
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: W3C staff contact to automate generation of diff files [5]
22:03:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-ws-policy-eds-irc#T19-03-54
22:03:34 [plh]
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