IRC log of er on 2006-08-16

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12:56:23 [Zakim]
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12:56:31 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
12:56:31 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, shadi
12:56:47 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert at 10
12:56:47 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, shadi
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13:02:33 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
13:02:33 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 58 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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chair: Shadi
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Aug/0008.html
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
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+CarlosV
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+[IPcaller]
14:02:35 [JibberJim]
Zakim IPcaller is Jim Ley
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or something
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+Shadi
14:04:15 [shadi]
zakim, ipcaller is really Jim
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+Jim; got it
14:04:36 [JohannesK]
zakim, CarlosV is really Johannes
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+Johannes; got it
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+Shane
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+Johannes.a
14:06:49 [JohannesK]
zakim, Johannes.a is really CarlosV
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+CarlosV; got it
14:08:04 [shadi]
agenda+ Update from TSD TF
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agenda+ "Testable Statement" class by Charles
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agenda+ "Pointers" class by Jim
14:08:34 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:34 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Update from TSD TF" taken up [from shadi]
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scribe: Jim
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scribenick: JibberJim
14:11:20 [JibberJim]
SAZ: TF launched 3 weeks ago - setting up tools to get to create langs, and working on a test description language - but that's beyond scope really - mainly we want to use one and got a candidate in
14:11:33 [JibberJim]
SAZ: Test Case Description from Bentoweb project.
14:11:43 [JibberJim]
SAZ: major issue is that it's XML based rather than RDF
14:12:09 [JibberJim]
SAZ: leaning towards just using and at a later stage hoping some RDF appears and we could transition
14:12:42 [shadi]
http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL1.1/
14:13:24 [JibberJim]
SAZ:Anyone in ER have a concern with just using XML?
14:16:35 [JibberJim]
JK: Concerned about using RDF tools if there refering to an XML test description
14:18:43 [shadi]
zakim, close agendum 1
14:18:43 [Zakim]
agendum 1, Update from TSD TF, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. "Testable Statement" class by Charles [from shadi]
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-Jim
14:18:47 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 2
14:18:48 [Zakim]
agendum 2. ""Testable Statement" class by Charles" taken up [from shadi]
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14:22:03 [shadi]
scribe: Shadi
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scribenick: shadi
14:22:11 [shadi]
saz: no objections to TestableStatement (and TestRequirement or TestCase) so far
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14:26:48 [shadi]
saz: explains history of TestableStatement
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cv: the hierarchy of TestRequirement and TestCase is not clear
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14:29:09 [shadi]
jk: EARL is not meant to record this hierarchy, can use dc:hasPart or dc:isPartOf
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+[IPcaller]
14:29:34 [JimJibber]
zakim, ipcaller is Jim
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+Jim; got it
14:30:03 [shadi]
cv: why do we need the TestableStatement super class?
14:33:13 [shadi]
jk: to differentiate the two use cases
14:33:47 [shadi]
cv: there is a piece of the puzzle missing
14:34:52 [shadi]
saz: yes, a test description language but that is outside EARL
14:44:45 [shadi]
jk: having owl:oneOf restriction means either TestRequirement or TestCase but TestableStatement
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...might be too restrictive
14:45:55 [Zakim]
-Jim
14:45:58 [shadi]
saz: agree
14:47:34 [shadi]
saz: maybe a restriction of maxCardinality=1 for TestableStatement makes more sense
14:47:40 [shadi]
jk: i'd use that
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zakim, close agendum 2
14:48:35 [Zakim]
agendum 2, "Testable Statement" class by Charles, closed
14:48:36 [Zakim]
I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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3. "Pointers" class by Jim [from shadi]
14:48:50 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 3
14:48:50 [Zakim]
agendum 3. ""Pointers" class by Jim" taken up [from shadi]
14:52:06 [shadi]
cv: what about fuzzy pointers by Nick Kew?
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saz: i think these are HTML pointers
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+[IPcaller]
14:55:14 [shadi]
jl: fuzzy pointers and HTML pointers are the same thing
14:56:45 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Aug/0010.html
14:59:18 [shadi]
saz: read the pointer methods send any objections to the list
14:59:19 [Zakim]
-Johannes
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-Shane
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-Shadi
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-CarlosV
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-[IPcaller]
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WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Jim, Johannes, Shane, CarlosV, [IPcaller]
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rrsagent, make logs world
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-er-minutes.html shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items