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12:56:31 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
12:56:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, shadi
12:56:47 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert at 10
12:56:47 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, shadi
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13:02:33 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:02:33 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 58 minutes
13:22:18 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:22:25 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:23:18 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Aug/0008.html
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14:01:57 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has now started
14:02:04 <Zakim> +CarlosV
14:02:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:35 <JibberJim> Zakim IPcaller is Jim Ley
14:02:53 <JibberJim> or something
14:04:03 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:04:15 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Jim
14:04:15 <Zakim> +Jim; got it
14:04:36 <JohannesK> zakim, CarlosV is really Johannes
14:04:36 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
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14:06:26 <Zakim> +Johannes.a
14:06:49 <JohannesK> zakim, Johannes.a is really CarlosV
14:06:49 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
14:08:04 <shadi> agenda+ Update from TSD TF
14:08:15 <shadi> agenda+ "Testable Statement" class by Charles
14:08:24 <shadi> agenda+ "Pointers" class by Jim
14:08:34 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:08:34 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Update from TSD TF" taken up [from shadi]
14:09:30 <shadi> scribe: Jim
14:09:35 <shadi> scribenick: JibberJim
14:11:20 <JibberJim> SAZ: TF launched 3 weeks ago - setting up tools to get to create langs, and working on a test description language - but that's beyond scope really - mainly we want to use one and got a candidate in
14:11:33 <JibberJim> SAZ: Test Case Description from Bentoweb project.
14:11:43 <JibberJim> SAZ: major issue is that it's XML based rather than RDF
14:12:09 <JibberJim> SAZ: leaning towards just using and at a later stage hoping some RDF appears and we could transition
14:12:42 <shadi> http://bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL1.1/
14:13:24 <JibberJim> SAZ:Anyone in ER have a concern with just using XML?
14:16:35 <JibberJim> JK: Concerned about using RDF tools if there refering to an XML test description
14:18:43 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
14:18:43 <Zakim> agendum 1, Update from TSD TF, closed
14:18:44 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:18:45 <Zakim> 2. "Testable Statement" class by Charles [from shadi]
14:18:47 <Zakim> -Jim
14:18:47 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:18:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. ""Testable Statement" class by Charles" taken up [from shadi]
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14:22:03 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
14:22:09 <shadi> scribenick: shadi
14:22:11 <shadi> saz: no objections to TestableStatement (and TestRequirement or TestCase) so far
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14:26:48 <shadi> saz: explains history of TestableStatement
14:27:48 <shadi> cv: the hierarchy of TestRequirement and TestCase is not clear
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14:29:09 <shadi> jk: EARL is not meant to record this hierarchy, can use dc:hasPart or dc:isPartOf
14:29:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:29:34 <JimJibber> zakim, ipcaller is Jim
14:29:34 <Zakim> +Jim; got it
14:30:03 <shadi> cv: why do we need the TestableStatement super class?
14:33:13 <shadi> jk: to differentiate the two use cases
14:33:47 <shadi> cv: there is a piece of the puzzle missing
14:34:52 <shadi> saz: yes, a test description language but that is outside EARL
14:44:45 <shadi> jk: having owl:oneOf restriction means either TestRequirement or TestCase but TestableStatement
14:44:54 <shadi> ...might be too restrictive
14:45:55 <Zakim> -Jim
14:45:58 <shadi> saz: agree
14:47:34 <shadi> saz: maybe a restriction of maxCardinality=1 for TestableStatement makes more sense
14:47:40 <shadi> jk: i'd use that
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14:48:35 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
14:48:35 <Zakim> agendum 2, "Testable Statement" class by Charles, closed
14:48:36 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:48:37 <Zakim> 3. "Pointers" class by Jim [from shadi]
14:48:50 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:48:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. ""Pointers" class by Jim" taken up [from shadi]
14:52:06 <shadi> cv: what about fuzzy pointers by Nick Kew?
14:52:19 <shadi> saz: i think these are HTML pointers
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14:55:14 <shadi> jl: fuzzy pointers and HTML pointers are the same thing
14:56:45 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2006Aug/0010.html
14:59:18 <shadi> saz: read the pointer methods send any objections to the list
14:59:19 <Zakim> -Johannes
14:59:22 <Zakim> -Shane
14:59:25 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:59:38 <Zakim> -CarlosV
15:00:07 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:00:09 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:00:10 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Jim, Johannes, Shane, CarlosV, [IPcaller]
15:00:24 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:00:29 <shadi> zakim, bye
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15:00:36 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-er-minutes.html shadi
15:00:40 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
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15:00:49 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
15:00:49 <RRSAgent> I see no action items